>> Afternoon everyone we're going to reconvene our Board of
County commissioners meeting from earlier today.
And this afternoon we have one public hearing item that is a
quasi judicial item item number 30 which is a legislative
public hearing item is being postponed and being re
advertise. So if you are here.
Item number 30 which was an msbu for Rice Lake that item
taken up at a later date after its re advertise.
So again welcome this afternoon, I'm going to go
through our rules for public hearings in the way that we're
going to operate this afternoon's hearing
and
and then we'll move on with traffic.
The first thing I need this afternoon is in motion from the
board to accept proofs of publication move to approve
certain location. Fissures in our second from commissioner
dallari any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any
opposed motion passes unanimously so our staff is
going to present each item that's up for consideration
with the staff recommendation and then the board will have an
opportunity to ask questions of staff and presentations have
finished the applicant will that have an opportunity to
make a presentation and the board will have a chance to ask
questions once the presenter has finished members of the
public who are interested in speaking either for or against
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opportunity for a bottle and then I will close the public
hearing and put the matter of the hand, the hands of the
commission
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will be taken commissioners who do not cast a vote will be
considered to have voted in support of them and the motion
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communication and identify the person making the
communication. Commissioners about.
>> I've received numerous phone calls emails the numerous
conversations with folks in the sun land areas my district,
I have some of that all those electronically to the clerk's
office.
Commissioner, I received a 2 letters of on the bright very
from the show Everly and from Nelson Fernandez and giving
them to the clerk.
>> Submitted electronically so. As well okay, I also have
communication on this item from to several neighbors and that's
been submitted electronically and I'll pass that on the
project manager for this item is Mister Robinson.
Yeah, really.
>> Yes, good afternoon. Madam chair commissioner, Stephen
Robinson with planning the development.
So the applicant is requesting a rezone from a one agriculture
and AR one a single-family dwelling and has only 2 are one
in a single-family dwelling on approximately 6.3 3 acres
located west of restrict court approximately 250 feet north of
Ronald Reagan. Ward.
The subject property has a low density residential future land
use designation which allows a maximum density of 4 going in
spring that the Lakers.
Intel a density residential future land use designation is
to provide appropriate locations for standard detached
single family residences
and as I mentioned the property has split zoning you can see on
the right side and it's currently are one-in a one and
the applicant proposes a residential development
consisting of
18 single-family dwelling units with the minimum lot size of
9,000 square feet and minimum lot with of
well the line of 75 feet and a minimum House sizes, 1100
square feet that is consistent with the R one a zoning
classification
the utilities for the subject property would be provided by
the city of Sanford since its and their service area.
Drainage regarding that the state must be designed to hold
up to a the entire 25 year 24 hour storm event on site to pay
on appropriate out for availability and downstream
capacity will be determined that final engineering.
The property proposes access and to talk to drive
which is on the north side of the site if you're looking at
the aerial view here along the North property boundary.
Tucker drivers classified as a local roadway and does not have
improvements program to the county's 5 year capital prove
program.
There are no sidewalks along Parker drive and the developer
will be required to build a 5 foot sidewalk along the
property's the frontage on Tucker drive.
There are new open space requirements for this
single-family residential zoning districts, it's it's a
straight rezone
however, buffer requirements are actually being determined
during the current review working on the putter
subdivision plan now and the applicant is proposing some.
But first I believe on the East side of the property.
There is a school capacity at all school, a type levels.
A community meeting was held on Thursday June 29th this year
the applicant has indicated that 20 people attended
nearby homeowners expressed concerns about drainage loss of
natural habitat,
current and potential traffic issues and impacts to property
values and I believe he probably had similar e-mails to
that effect.
Staff does find propose rezone compatible with the surrounding
development inconsistent with both the allowable use and
density provisions of the low density residential future land
use designation several also finds the proposed rezoning to
be consistent with the comprehensive plan.
The planning zoning commission to hear this item on September
6th and approved unanimously.
With that staff recommends
that the board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a rezone from a one agriculture
and AR one a single-family going to R one a single-family
dwelling for residential subdivision on approximately
6.3 3 acres located west of District Court approximately
250 feet north of Ronald Reagan Boulevard and madam chair that
concludes my presentation and I know the applicant's president
I'm available for any questions and the questions for Mister
Robinson.
>> Some look like it with you to stick close by to be great
all right as the applicant here and would you like to make a
presentation.
>> Everyone exactly Miller 84 to the state address here to 41
of your buddies in Sanford.
Yeah, so at the end of the day what we're doing is cleaning up
the zoning that's there am I right. We have our 1, 8,
and half of it as Doug said and then we're just playing at that
putting 18 homes. I understand that there has been some some
some the obvious thing that I heard obviously had the DMZ and
our community meeting was the the traffic issues that they're
concerned about the traffic with 18 homes coming through,
but also existing traffic to cut through traffic things like
that so that there's anything to be done for any contract
vickie's him through Sunland know the appreciate it. But any
other questions you have I'm happy to answer
any questions for Mister Miller.
If you'd like to stay close by saying there might be an
opportunity for you to come backup, absolutely.
>> And have approximately how many members of the public too
we have likes the 13 okay.
If there's anyone here who neglected to fill out a form to
speak and you would like to speak now is the time to go out
in the lobby and pick out a pick up a form and bring it
back in and provided so that we know that you would like to be
recognized if you'd like to go ahead and start with our first
person to shore Errol Baker.
Mister Baker
and he was after Mister Baker next week Dan day.
Mister day and if you would just stand right behind Mister
Baker said you have an opportunity to to move and then
what we'll do is we'll call you to at a time so that you're
ready to go and see.
>> OK my name 0 Baker I reside at 7, 1, 3, when drive Sanford.
And I oppose this and the reason is I'm not sure that.
Tucker drive
is a proper entrance way for construction. That's going to
require the amount of traffic is going to require
and I would kind of want to know if has the right is the
road to really geared for it.
And do we know whether or not it is.
Tucker probably was built in the 50's. I'm just wondering
how much load it can handle and what happened to the street.
>> Thank you very much.
We just talked to my guests and time didn't work for them and
their 700 meters circle which is
right across from that retention ponds are what I was
talking about them having an entrance into that development
is when people find out that they can cut through our
neighborhood to get to 17 under 2. As for them to come out of
all the way to go all the way around. I think our traffic is
going to Chris specially we have a lot of speeders in that
neighborhood
and I just posted this on consent. Mister mayor thank
you.
>> Next is Nelson Fernandez and then Phil savage.
Mister Fernandes and Mister savage if you wouldn't mind
lining up behind.
I think great.
>> Good afternoon. I'm Nelson Fernandez. I reside for to
Cherokee plane or as I call it the Sunland the state's
highway.
I've lived there since 1985. As I said in my e-mail my
offense has been taken down.
Times my mailbox probably 05:00AM or 06:00AM people
constantly speed through there cutting through this something
new about cutting from 1792 to 4.27 that's happened since I
lived there. So it it just happens like the previous
gentleman said my concern is those streets were constructed
back in the 50's granted materials probably better
however, how are the sewer lines, the water lines, how's
everything and nice that streak going to handle semis full of
construction material concrete trucks, I mean
but my worst thing is is I have no problem with things
improving so if you guys want to allow a so subdivision in
our subdivision
that's cool. But it makes no sense what so ever
have them come through Tucker, when you can barely take a a
right hand turn to take up with you to head down to downtown
Sanford.
Entrance the access to this
Bradbury
place should be for 27 Ronald Reagan.
Last time I heard somebody say it's not about money full of
well-built here it's always about my so I would suggest
that you folks do something to arbitrate and say look the guy
who wants too much money. Some of them on the you don't
have to pay taxes for whatever but to me
if you're putting a brand new subdivision and I remember 500
K per House Kate nice. Hopefully that will improve our
values well as of course, there's light pollution tell us
of course, rain water is coming down into the backyards of the
folks who surround it so as you can tell I'm against it.
Mister savage.
Are you here.
>> All right, what we'll do is we'll put his name at the
bottom of the pile and will go back before we close the public
comments next will be Larry Downing and then the pro fee.
This pounding.
And miss Brophy.
One afternoon.
>> My name is Lori Downey know of the 4 '03 Tucker drive.
We're in the pros to this
for various reasons.
The traffic on our air is too full.
They you know they they don't even when they're trying to get
on Brown off the Tucker, there's a double line there
which they cross on a 90 degree curve I would call it to get on
the ground already.
There's cars and you know
speeding up and down to our neighborhoods. This morning I
observed for for school bought 5 school buses. The travel that
road between the hours of 8, 9, 30.
Well that's a lot of school buses which travel talk are
also.
You know on for for the residents that
catch these buses, there is no crosswalks for these trip,
you know these residents. My summer standing on street
corners without sidewalks at a stop sign where some should be
four-way stops to slow this traffic down.
But to me it's just.
I mean this started with first record it should finish there.
For what various reasons I don't know I know I had the
pleasure of speaking this is in our own Friday which I
appreciate that
it needs to go back there.
That this is going to cause so much traffic and disruption in
our neighborhood they said last meeting that would and they
didn't see where it would interfere with our lifestyle.
Well it well
will impact our life greatly
with all the other main arteries coming into our
neighborhood they're going to be affected because there is no
left hand turn, we offer Ronald Reagan on to talk or so they
will be traveling main roads suddenly and drive
Fairmont all of these roads which are you know.
We have residents standing in crossing the street every
morning every evening.
And with all of the traffic coming in and now they're from
these construction to you know I just think that's very
unhealthy for everybody concerned.
Basically that's all the same, I appreciate your time thank
you thank you thank you.
And who is after miss for a fee.
Leslie ballin.
>> Well when things taper off a little bit well, Evan talk or
drive.
And I'm I'm very concerned about this development.
I've had dead animals left on my front porch and I my car I
don't know if it's a warning to developers or what's going on
that.
I love my property. We used to have the large woodpeckers next
to us where they're going to be building.
That while life has really gone downhill since very few
wildlife left. The natural environment, I've been in
environmental was since I was 13, almost 70 now. And what
they're proposing to do to this area is absolutely wrong.
It needs to be remain natural.
We don't need extra homes in there. My mailbox has been
taken out several times and I just think it's ludicrous to
think you're putting more homes in there.
It's very difficult for 2 cars to pass at the same time in
front of my house
and I just think you're putting lives at risk.
Peoples
happiness in that neighborhood as you know both my parents for
military.
I don't think.
This is a kind of way should be treating people that have been
there for a long time we're in established community. Please I
beg you to not approve this.
>> Let's try the name again.
Leslie de Allen Mister Allen.
And who is after Mister Dahlan Leyland Edwards.
Mister Edwards.
MS. Edwards. My apologies.
>> That's very special property back there. I don't know many
of you have and the first you need to state your name and
address for mostly down 1, 7, 4, 0, they would circle.
It's a special property back there. It's beautiful, I don't
know if any of you walk through any of it or seen any of it,
but they're 2 300 year-old live oaks back all through that
property.
I understand that quite some time ago.
There was an ordinance about taking trees down.
Greater than a certain diameter that you had had a special
permit from the county is that still in effect.
>> Yes, yeah, and effective if this does get approved is you
know commissioners this would have to go through. The site
review process than all of our ordinance would have to be here
too.
>> I'm concerned again about the traffic there's no need for
a road to come through on Tucker. They've got to exit out
onto Ronald Reagan they can go down.
An 8th of a mile and cut through
up there to get to get to 1792, so there really is no reason we
already have a traffic problem back there there are no speed
tables. But there to slow anything down.
And what's going to happen to the wildlife that's in there.
I mean they're still here for years, there's corals their
wrecked who was there awesome stuff, oxygen occasional
occasional Coyotes to come through there and that's all
going to be pushed into our neighborhood Rex Berman all
pushed into our neighborhoods. I I just don't see any reason
to destroy property that said you know right now thank you
very much it.
>> I'm my name is lavon and we're told that it's 62
Cherokee circle.
I am opposed to it.
I love that we're community of $500.
Have the community didn't even know this was happening because
you had to be within a 1000 feet of that property.
I really think that there's animals out there there's
turtles and things they're going after
there's only 3 people that live on the rooster and they're all
of us on the other side.
We should have the bigger majority of the entrances on
our side and we don't want it.
We fly care of me
that property is higher than our neighborhood is are ready.
We have drainage problem sewage problems. It's just horrible on
us without adding something else on top of.
And I want my neighborhood just a good. We do have some
speeders we do have a lot across through traffic that we
shouldn't have
and do with it the best we can a lot of accidents.
And I just want to add on to what already are community has
to do it for not getting help from other things like the
speeding in the traffic and stuff so
I'm opposed.
Thank you so much.
>> Next is Steve Huston and county Huston will be after.
>> Name and address for the record please. Steve Houston,
one '03 weight strive
and I've been there for 18 years.
And the opposed to it just because over the drainage of
that area.
They're partially building on the existing foot plain
and it would drain into we are on
which it can flooded over pretty good during the last
year really good hurricane we had coming through
the backside of committed come Ilya Camilla
it's they already get flooded from that property back yards.
And when you come in and you come back and in clear
hard to elevated up 10 or another another foot to bring
up to 10 feet, I'm sure they'll be getting flooded
without any retaining your very own wall.
Up on that side and that kind of what I'm about were or were
already
they're going to be rejecting the houses cleared out in the
existing floodplain
but on the bottom part on that property.
I guess that would be on the North part of the property.
And that's pretty much. Why I'm opposed to it.
>> Thank you. Mister Houston, Houston.
And after miss Houston will be Michelle Everly and then Carol
Sarah.
>> I could use the numbers, one 3 weeks drive. There was a lot
of neighbors that could not attend this today due to work
or things going on and so I have a petition to
I right now have 90 I think 96 signatures on the opposing
for the entrance and exit of a new neighborhood to be through
our existing neighborhood.
The streets can learn and the little Timmy the streets
tonight handle big, moving like
some eyes and big trucks.
I don't know what the turning radius is there a talker drive.
If they can turn their which means they would have to go
down the world and then going on Cherokee go down they would
come down.
Like it's just going to be not only using Tucker, it's just
going through the hole
neighborhood that already exist staying.
I just I don't see how it's OK to like disrupt.
The whole neighborhood instead saying other road or whatever
they have to do to go out to 4.27.
I know there is one other side that they could use, but I
guess those people don't want to see the neighborhood to be
out that way either so
I'm opposed to the entrance going through our neighborhood.
Tucker road.
Thank you miss Houston.
>> And that is to look for.
Let's be that those next 2 names against Michelle Everly
and Carol Sierra
this year are you here.
>> I'm Michelle Eberly I live at 9.11 turkey circle, I
believe that if you received a letter from me. I you guys
understand what my concern is I'm here to bring up a few
other points. One son some live states took the hit of 1792
development, they utilized our part to store all their
construction equipment.
And the people in the front of Sunland they they had to put up
with the noise the pounding. And all that so we've already
been kind of abused and that respect. Yes, they put the park
back. We asked for the playground be back under the
trees and no is put out the side so the kids can even play.
And the other part of this whole is we asked for these
things before and we were neglect.
We asked for these things now we will probably be neglected.
I understand the Seminole County is under the land
development co regionally for infill development
this is going to leave agriculture land still
that could possibly be rezoned is the future. So in 10 years
from now you might have this new neighborhood along with us
down here opposing that part of that about
that's all I have to say thank you to everyone.
And after Mister chair will be Melissa Houston and Phil
savage.
>> I am Carol Sierra I live in one of 9 Brown drive, I've been
there approximately 9 years and raise the right doors which one
is with me here and for kids to walk through that neighborhood
to get to their bus stop is almost impossible without
having to walk Liberty on the lake
because there is no sidewalk already. The constant concern
off me having to drive them because the car speeding
through there with no regards the bus stops or even bus
passing by somebody else mentions. They will have to
come in to talk or cut down Brown and the whole round about
because this actual turn is so tight that a bus cannot pass
through the air without having to be almost get on the grass.
The pond is not muntean I can't even walk my dogs and yet we
want to go ahead and develop a team or houses. The constant
noise is of trucks passing through we're ready as it is
garbage trucks, anything that passes rattles our old Windows
rattles our homes, the streets
and just imagining having more trucks in constant
construction, happening how it did happen in the other side us
and that is concerning to me.
These kids can even gotten pay because we don't have the funds
we don't have anything to stop any traffic coming into the
final weekend to cut to 1792, it's unfair we pay property
taxes as well and we can't even enjoy our properties because
we're afraid of cars coming in, and zooming
in our yards.
Potentially not opposed to the construction of it as long as
is.
One of the concerns of the waters and power outages 70's
even the neighborhood when storms happen.
We're taking care of and the exit off routes around a week
and it should be maybe a light there it's hard enough for us.
Out to that side of Ronald Reagan without having a
possible accident because of cars, zooming and trees not
maintained mean I just recently seen today that they contain
them, but
how often are they even teens
is it an accident has to happen in order for us to get
something clean or those of development have to threaten us
in order for us to have something taking care of in our
neighborhood.
Phil savage and then Katrina shadix
hi my name is Melissa Houston, I reside at one of 3 weight
stride.
I am obviously opposed to have a that entrance to this
neighborhood come out at the end of my Street for all the
same reasons that you've already heard.
I was at the planning and zoning committee meeting
and they
the questions were brought up about wildlife about traffic
studies
and apparently the due to the size of the neighborhood they
are not required to do such studies. So I have submitted a
traffic
report from Seminole County.
>> The sheriff's Department it didn't come back in time I was
on the phone with the Dow this morning. They're not finished
with it, but I would love to have that can provide you with
the numbers of
accidents that happened inside our neighborhood as well as
where Tucker
and sunlight intersect with Ronald Reagan due to this
simple fact that number one can see when you're pulling out of
talks. And they kept saying it's because of the trees
that's way go to work every morning, it's not because of
that reason is because of the angle of the road. And the fact
that there's a great big giant concrete pole for utilities
that sits start in the sidewalk area there. So when you go look
left the only direction that traffic is coming from you can
see.
My my big question.
Our big question is why does it need to come into our
neighborhood, what is
what is the reason they cannot go to
Ronald Reagan is it because they don't want to spend the
additional money to do it is it because the people won't sell.
It looks like on the property appraiser's website. There is a
county owned piece of land.
That comes in off Ronald Reagan.
Beside restrict court.
And I understand that it doesn't intersect with that
properly entirely that property entirely, but it's a difference
of 10 feet
is there not a way that the county can help with their
piece of land.
The Bradbury
developers can purchase that 10 foot section from the
the property owner.
It just seems to make more sense that coming all the way
through our neighborhood and constructing what's already
there.
So thank you very much.
The next speaker.
>> Still 7 agencies still not here Katrina shadix
Mister savage did you come back into the room at some point.
What's not okay.
Miss shadix Katrina shadix 1011 Sunoco trio.
>> Geneva Florida, 2, 2, 7, 3, 2, and I'm opposed to this
rezone as we all know with the funding situation Seminole
County and all of the state we need those AG lands preserved
to prevent floods into that that do the natural filtration
process and to offer. But has it been run out for fast that
the county by this parcel of land and do the same thing that
they did for the gear and residents which is making it to
a passive Park. You did hear some of the residents say that
they didn't have were communities that they had asked
for. So this would be a way to help the environment and help
the residents.
>> Is there anyone else he wants to speak on this item he
neglected to fill out a form before I close public comment.
All right seeing none we'll close public hearing. Mister
Miller would you like to come back and address any of the
items that were brought up
from the public.
>> Good afternoon board for the record Ken Fisher, 1614 white
dove drive, winter Springs, Florida, 3, 2, 07:00:08AM,
commissioner Lockhart I'm not making any about the line
behind you was making at me. So. He's grabbed my attention
that's really annoying is anyone else here like seizure
prom because that's horrible. All right, we'll try to and we
were sensitive to the traffic issues out there. We had spoken
a little bit at the PNC that were open to putting a stop
sign at our entrance from Tucker, which would help
alleviate some of the 3rd traffic they have to at least
slow down. And stop so we can we can add that we don't have
access to Ronald Reagan.
And there is a couple properties we would have to
go through there is a 10 foot flag to one neighbor there's
and I only know her maiden name missus Bradbury she owns the
corner and then the Seminole County has property on the
other side. So we don't actually have any legal
right away to to Ronald Reagan or else we would be utilizing
that so as as I had said we we currently are in our one a Sony
right now it's split between our when and agriculture and
agricultural kind of a a place card holding and so we're just
going to be kind of cleaning this up we're surrounded
by our one around to us so that does make us consistent.
We will be adding sidewalks and front of our neighborhood and I
think the county is going to be looking at doing some other
sidewalk projects to get them all the way to Ronald Reagan.
I think this development was done maybe in phases so the
area just to
army side. He's got sidewalks but then just a couple parcel
shy of Ronald Reagan, the sidewalk stop.
And I do believe I heard the county saying something about
they're going to heaven
that is the sidebar to the kids
we can have access to the bus stop.
For the most development we will be looking at the
environmental issues were required to do the report
environmental studies we will have to look at like the
drainage to make sure we're not running off more than what
we're discharging now so that will be looked at final
engineering. And if you guys have any questions, I'll be
happy to answer them.
Any questions for the applicant.
I do have one chart.
I know one of the questions this neighbors of the comments,
some of the neighbors that
comments that neighbors have had is that there and establish
neighborhood and that they really don't like the idea of
this development coming in and affecting them from what I can
tell this property was purchased by the Bradbury's in
1923.
And I'm I I don't have that's why it's kind of yeah, I'm so
for the record there's a head knock yes, so I would imagine
that the Bradbury's when someone to states came in they
were the ones who had some of the state's come into their
neighborhood.
Exactly exactly. The property has a lot of history with 6
grandfather's House. I walked the property yesterday
yesterday, the ony I'm sure there's other animals, the only
thing I saw was squirrels the House just the season at
Wisconsin. He mentioned that it was over a 100 years old and
we just kind of cool looking bank.
Yeah, they've been there before someone yeah and the other
saying that somebody mentioned is that they have been on the
property and asked if we had been on the property and that
would be no because it is private property and being on
it would mean that you're trespassing correct, okay,
just wanted to put that on the record as well. Commissioner
Constantine.
>> Thank you very much in your presentation, you said you
or is it you want it, you know when it comes to explain more
about why because it looking at the map rooster
circle are going to court looks like so much easier to get into
this property. So what you know what obstacles do you have have
that that would prove that would not allow you to get to
there. Sure can you.
>> One of the pull up the site plan
going to be easier to that of the easier when I point.
>> So down.
So this is another Mike missed it you can use that yeah.
>> Unit killed.
>> That way the folks in St. TV can see where you're
pointing because we have a camera that shoots right down
on to that table.
This property right here is the
daughter granddaughter of the Bradbury family and these 2
properties are owned by the brother.
They have an East meant and then this portion right here is
a 10 foot flag going to this property.
So this is a 10 foot easement for access to Ronald Reagan,
not right away just an easement
and then property right here is actually owned by Seminole
County and I believe
that's probably slated for affordable housing if I
understand correctly.
So part of what we're doing is we're again we're giving these
properties over here currently they don't have any right away
frontage so it's a it's
it's a nonconforming law as it is. So one of the things that
we are giving the sellers or the previous owners
is we're giving them right away frontage said now they'll have
legal lots of record and then one of their concerns with
state in my people from the new development or from Sunland
cutting through their little dirt. They just have a dirt
driveway to Ronald Reagan, it's nothing is paid. It's not wide
enough for fire facilities fire truck.
So on the private property we're going to be doing trees
because all it meant people you might drive like me and go
around certain barriers.
So along our track see we're going to be doing.
Heavy landscaping there to create to stop potential people
from cutting through and then along the Bradbury property
we're going to the same we're going to be doing plan teens
and their private property outside the right away in order
to stop anybody from trying to cut through because at that
point they're going on private property in order to cut
through to Ronald Reagan and if anybody sees a potential they
they ignore it.
So the Bradbury piece he will be required to go through.
Tucker also in order for him to get to Ronald Reagan so we're
going to cut we don't want country traffic because it
would holy holy be on private property and so we'll make sure
there's barricades in place for that.
Any other questions.
If you would mind also sticking close in case, you'd like to
call you back.
>> Mister Robinson to like to.
I'm assuming at this point there might be questions from
the board for staff.
Commissioner summer
speaking to
what Trump said he would speak to that was been some
statements about.
>> Agricultural land. And should remain agriculture.
Can you explain for the benefit of those present.
What a one means and way of quote agricultural.
Yeah and what future land use means I'm sure yes.
>> So the land development, the low density residential future
land use designation
a one agriculture which is one acre lots
is a zoning classification that is allowed in the future land
use of low density residential.
I don't know if I.
>> So that meant to him.
A one zoning does not mean that there are cows and agricultural
OK activities taking place on it does it.
A one agriculture.
>> Allows single-family homes primary residence as a as a as
a typical use very often found so so.
>> When all the land in Seminole County was originally
originate before anything was built and we originally put
zoning in place wasn't all agriculture.
>> I don't know if I could say that definitively but I do know
that we have a lot of rezonings where property is in a one
zoning classification
and it generally does a transfer to becoming a single
family residential.
>> Property we see that a lot to make maybe I'm not being
clear and I see Rebecca maybe Rebecca wants to answer that
question more specifically we go through this all the time
where we have a one a 5 I have a 10 etcetera etcetera and the
general public believes that means it's agricultural
that they believe that all you can do is fall we planned or
harvest crops are running one calzone it can you tell us what
the reality is and what future land use is short for the
record of economic development services director.
>> So a lot of land within the urban area and has a
residential land which may have a future land use designation
of low density residential medium density residential may
have zoning designation of a one and it was put in sort of a
holding pattern zoning into the property is right for
redevelopment when the timing is appropriate for to rezone 2
and the allowable zoning districts within its future
land use designation so were deserving designation that is
allowed within a number of future land use designations
because it was considered to be a holding pattern until that it
was time for that property to redevelop into a more intense
that zoning designation.
>> And is the agricultural zoning mean that
agricultural activities are taking place on that property.
>> Not necessarily they are permitted.
By the zoning designation but a lot of times there are
properties that are zoned one where they're only being
utilized for single family residential.
>> Right and and and in order to be an agricultural exam
and the operating agricultural operation. You have to have a
designation from the property appraiser's office that's
correct. You have to have the agricultural classification and
you have to be a bona fide at farm operation and the
definition in Florida statutes and in staff's research can you
tell us
when the last time if ever.
There were agricultural activities taking place or any
agricultural exemption file on this parcel.
>> That I can speak to do have the research on that but I do
not believe this property has an agricultural classification
on and in fact it's already partially zone first our one a.
>> Right in fact is not and it's been 50 plus years going
back there is no record it was ever used for agricultural
purposes.
In fact
when Sunland
took place and developed
this family contested those homes being built.
Just what happened.
And it's the classic.
The last one and unfortunately takes the Heat.
Thank you. Thanks. Commissioner dallari to communicate with
Rebecca can you say that for a moment please.
Can you explain to us why.
Tucker road is more appropriate and Ronald Reagan.
>> So unfortunately in this case, the property does not
have dieted frontage on Ronald Reagan in recent court is not
an actual public road. It's an easement and so they have no
legal access to Ronald Reagan from Worcester court. So their
legal access is on to Tucker.
>> What about the we talk about traffic and transportation in
the area when those that come into play to the planning and
development of a piece of property because you're talking
about concerns of cut through traffic. Road conditions when
there's all that come into play.
>> So in the next stage of the rezoning is approved to have to
come through the county subdivision process and they
say they'll go through the preliminary subdivision planned
in final engineering and final plat so we'll start looking at
transportation related requirements with the primary
subdivision plan in final engineering plant.
>> With that also include the need for additional stop signs.
If there.
>> Required yes, I believe so, but I will defer to general and
if for specifics. Thank you.
>> Would you like to ask Mister trash to come into the dredge.
>> Term limits to judge is blocking up, but also like to
add the sidewalk to your sidewalks to your list of
things to talk about what's yours.
>> First I just said from the co-director counties in here.
That is a
the site then development
yes, I would be required to put a stop sign at the entrance of
that of that subdivision as far as the for the community area
was stopped.
I just soft complaints from time to time about the speak
and they got was our was our traffic. Operations just some 5
speed study is that it is it for the 5 mark for hours.
We have not done under.
Speed the study are thought to
as of Packers, the condition of the road.
We do have a program with that says it all as always it all
the way and we we do it surfaces depend on the level of
what condition of those under way
sidewalk, our staff. Their opponent.
They marathon talk to some of the community have not
they do add that to the sidewalk that become active
from the was the sidewalk stop now our doctors 3 over to break
in.
What I'm so my question is to stretch.
>> So I just want to clarify so the sidewalk that before people
are living in these houses and the 4 trucks are coming up and
down these roads. This is because it's the construction
process that is going to be troublesome of kids don't have
sidewalks to walk on so you think the sidewalks will be
programmed from the beginning to the end from Tucker to
Ronald Reagan. Before all that happens. We do have kids
fighting done trying to do I do not no words. Schedules that
can start construction and development because they have
but we suspect it's staff to Mister
frozen design and construction of the sidewalk and I'm hoping
by only of 2024 and be able to go outside the sidewalk
acceptable.
So maybe there's a tail end of that that the developer can
answer the question of wherever you are I'm looking everywhere
wherever you are you're doing a portion of the sidewalks as
well come on out come on down and you're doing a portion of
the sidewalks as well and can can we have that stage so that
this is not an issue absolutely and actually we've still got
final journey to get through were at least 6 months out so
it will be completed by 2 by February March.
>> Best case scenario for us and it's probably not likely is
that we would need to start of April so he'll have his his
sidewalks in place by the time to treat its turn to so weast
as we've still got a we've just danger psp right now so we'll
get your final during still so we've got we have time I guess
he has time to get settled in before we even start.
It's a question from.
>> Here 2 miles to the ice, I just wrote that Dan and we will
ensure that that is a cut if this moves forward, but sure
that that's complete with that.
>> Any other questions for Mister trash have one.
No.
So many years ago and you know we share this me said refer to
this there was subdivision retrofit plan
and I know some land estates is a part of it
are you and I'm putting you on the spot. So I apologize,
do you know how much if any of that original leave
identified plan has been accomplished in some land
estates.
>> He's talking about the sidewalk or talking about
>> the other infrastructure, the retrofitting of the
infrastructure of roads and storm water.
>> I've got what we have we have a program to that the fact
that I can give you is a list, I don't have it off and but I
think you just listen, I know that the funding to play.
2004. I added a fork and we do have a lot of that is that
included as a part of the stormwater master plan and our
staff safe is the schedule if the and I think day
there's a quite a bit off that. Best buy back and give you a
sense you asked for the storm over the odds that a developer
as I stated before is that will be idolized and is a a
the site plan approval at that and make sure that comply was
was it ever since the just as of today. I am.
>> My question was more about the infrastructure. There was a
citizen who questioned the ability of the infrastructure
to withstand the construction vehicles and so I was just
wondering from the identification of the need and
2004 20 years ago. 2 today. How much were we able to
accomplish in that section or have have we accomplished it
because my brain is thinking maybe once this construction is
complete if it hasn't already been done.
It's tough it would be appropriate for us to look at
that to do that since we already knew 20 years ago,
there was a problem, but K.
>> The way they do it for the defense we do we we the VC zip
by
we take these need to be alarmed.
>> That's what I'm not talking about pipe, lining what do you.
We take it will take this offline take it off the hook.
>> I I understand where you go in a chair and absolutely will
review that.
>> Won the 2004 plan and making sure everything is up to you
about something that was asked for too many years ago, and
whatever I just I just and that's and the forefront of my
mind because if we're going to be and these are County roads
are not private roads and we will have to be if if this
project goes through and if that work happens and there is
damage done. Well, make sure that's up to still have to fix
and right correct okay.
Any other questions for Mister treasure any other members of
our staff.
Commissioner.
>> I think you said this, but I wanted said again I think it
was said as part of a longer sentence somewhere else.
But there was an accusation that they would be draining
into someone else's pond.
>> The match just 2 days at the property services by cold front
that the proper tools that extension. Hopes
and that the detention pond is you know sort of a lock that so
we had a discussion was the staff was out because so
consent all is that the properties that development
could be anything it's that water. All signs are that would
not be.
You see a far as the dogs that would be detained at all to
see. What it was outside.
I think that would be.
I have you done as a site.
>> That's a question that does things so that so that the
tension pond to the north are we talking about the lake dot
is that what we're calling it that's a small.
Wildwood like what are they so that's owned by Seminole County
correct. So it's not a private retention pond owned by the
community, but by that law we don't want to
was it for
where we do not want to take the easy route off too for that
to follow through on our.
That's what I I I I know from to develop and to stay on that
side. Anderson okay, thank you.
All right any other questions.
All right. Thank you. Mister trash.
Commissioners any other questions for any other members
of staff for the applicant.
Then what is the pleasure of the board.
>> This is my district chairman to address several things that
were stated.
This give a little background for the benefit of my
commissioners.
When I arrived here was 5 years ago, I had a reach out to
several the residents to my office from Sunland
indicating that they felt that they had been neglected and
some infrastructure had not been looked after.
I got the staff.
We went through you know a lot of background history time 79 2
as you know is being improved.
There was an agreement for the contractor with fdot Florida
public transportation to be able to use the par for staging
a construction plus they have to do some drainage
improvements so they had to take a portion of that corner
to improve those
drainage in that corridor along 1792.
So I got involved with staff happened reporting and Michelle
Nicks props and a park the county has since spent almost a
million dollars. Well refurbishing that Park we've
got with the contractor we've got with fdot 5 which
facilitated that the county spent $839,433.63 on improving
Sunland Park
like dot we've spent $86,033.25. Any of the
opportunity to go out there you'll be pleasantly surprised
how good of a job, our parks and Recreation people have done
improving that adding new playground equipment. Sun
shades are being put in place in this whole area.
Also I visit with the sheriff number of occasions there was
some drug dealing going on within the park right there on
1792 and the sheriff's office has stepped up patrols there's
been complaints to my office about speeding you heard some
of that today. The sheriff's office has stepped up patrols
there as well.
There's been complaints about homelessness in the
neighborhood. The sheriff's office is aware of that and
they stepped up their attention to that. And of course we have
a program for homelessness and trying to find those people
help.
But the sheriff obviously can't be there. Every waking moment
to sit here and think that somebody is not speeding
through this neighborhood would be a false statement.
But we certainly do have Park.
Provisions and we've improved that area to a great deal to
the tune of taxpayers dollars about a million dollars in the
park section.
Also I have been speaking to public works about exactly what
commissioner Lockhart referred to or or quiet about which is
the infrastructure improvements. I stay on top of
that anything that's not program get program.
I was told my office been told by staff that the 470 linear
feet of sidewalk from County Road 4.27.
North the property line of new creation assembly of God and
North Ronald Reagan Boulevard is slated to take place 1st
quarter of next year 2024. So we heard here today sounds
like what my office has been told.
I've also talked to one of the assistant County managers about
having like Wildwood maintained a little better. In the past
like Rob would was being maintained by a separate entity
that our parks and recreation's it was our road department was
taking care of that
and so it looks like we're going to try to coordinate with
Park parks and Recreation so when they
take care of Lake dog.
They can this go across the road there little piece decided
to rob wouldn't get to keep them to little better.
There was also at the PNC there was concern about
large in the station on Cherokee circle. My office
corn, the city of Sanford to have the roads repaired that
was infrastructure of theirs. That was water lines that come
through there that
we have some previous time there wasn't an issue they've
since gone out and fix that.
The access to rooster I think we heard a lot about that today
I inquired about the same thing with with our staff as well as
as the
applicant it is correct. It is a private easement it is
not a county roadway. It is not a county access. In these
monies for the benefit of those Hubble homeowners in that area.
So with that said I know this is is something that is
very
concerning to those in the public, but again I get back to
the situation of.
And unfortunately always is the last property owner that takes
the hit from the community ironic that the red berries
didn't want someone to come in to start with now here. They
are reversed roles. Many decades later and someone
doesn't want them to have the ability to improve their
property and they're not asking for a text amendment, its trade
zone, it's legal they're not asking for anything other than
what our future land use allows them to do.
So with that said.
I will move rezone from a cold one R one a single-family
dwelling to R one a single-family dwelling for
single family residential subdivision and probably 6.3 3
acres, located West or East record possibly 250 feet north
of North Ronald Reagan Boulevard.
>> There's a motion by commissioner zembower second
second by commissioner her any further discussion.
All those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously.
Thank you all for being here.
Madam chair.
I do have someone that you want to fix that if you want to take
a short break, let's take a 10 minute. It was to make it 15 or
hammer. Recess until 2.45.
Hundreds.
>> So much for your patience while we took that break
hopefully and and many thanks and shout out to Dave who came
into the care of the ball.
I'm Dave is always our hero.
We're going to reconvene a resume our meetings with an
item that is
update
kept the county attorney's report that was listed first
would you like to do you have anything you'd like to update
us on before the county manager's you denied enough.
>> That the county manager Sir. Thank you, madam chairman,
yes, just a couple items under my report this afternoon,
the first will be actually the first the next 2 presentations
will be done by Mister Duerr our leisure services director,
the first one is Florida forever. I just want to give
the board an update on our our application that's going
through the process and as you go through this. We do have a
recommendation for the board to consider at the end for
discussion as well. Thank you so much.
>> Mister durr good afternoon for the record Richter leisure
services director Seminole County. Very briefly we've got
a lot of things going on us particularly this month with
the jarell property Florida forever application before I
dive into that and just to give a overall history for those
that aren't familiar with the process on April 30th, the
county submitted for Florida forever application for the
acquisition of the Yarborough ranch.
On June the night was the first of their Park that's the
acquisition and restoration Council at the state level that
was the first of 3 votes that will occur this calendar year
that was to allow the process to continue forward.
In late June, we Max staff from various state agencies to do a
on site visit to the Yarborough ranch property, a lot of
pictures were taken. That went ahead and took a look at the
whole basically the application as well as on the ground boots
on the ground so to speak.
There was a nother arc meeting that was held in the interim
there was no business regarding this particular application.
But we noted anyway that was our meeting that happened
and then on a September 12th the county move forward with at
least beginning appraisals 2 different state approved
appraisals on the property to move that process ahead.
Now we're currently stand fast as I mentioned there's a lot of
things going on in the month of October last week actually on
October, the 5th the state released a project evaluation
report which is I think about 1718 page document that was
posted on the state's website that basically said based on
the wrist states review of various agencies, here's what
we found on the site our staff has reviewed that information.
We're very happy to point out that 2 other new news issue
well that that came forward and in during the interim while it
was under review, one of which was you all a pass Seminole
forever so state the state staff had notice that in place
said in the staff report as well and that's been forwarded
to the our committee. The second one was during the day
on site review. Archaeological find skews me apart to watch
you.
We try that again rta logically significant finding was found
on the property which is currently was not under the
state registry.
As the process continues additional work will be done
there going forward to help document that as well
that evening that the staff report came out the rescheduled
Parker regional public meeting there were 2 applications that
were to be heard. It was up at the Volusia County Commission
chambers. It was the Yarborough ranch and then another project
comes in Volusia County.
Staff was it the at the meeting as well as several of you as
well. There were 9 different folks who spoke on behalf in
favor of the county's application for acquisition of
the Yarborough property.
5 of those folks also introduce themselves as representatives
of larger groups of in Seminole County. All of them had just
spoke glowingly about this about their support for the
subject and moving forward in addition to that we had a
pretty large contingency from Geneva who showed up in a green
t-shirts that were visible as well who all signed it.
Response from the state's project manager at the time is
that they were very happy to see such a great strong turnout
in favor of the applications.
We provided some additional slides on Friday of last week 2
Florida forever staff those have been received
and on Friday of this week which is October 13, there will
be the next are committing this will be the second vote of the
process. This is to allow our to have reviewed. The staff
report as well as any new information. Bbva very brief
presentation were only allowed 3 minutes total, to just
highlight those to a new bits of information as well going
forward at this that particular meeting hard to vote to then
move the process forward again.
And move that to the December 7th part of meeting where
should should they go ahead and move the process forward.
They will arrange the current applications for this
particular funding cycle at that point we will know exactly
where this property and the proposed project falls on their
list, whether it be a priority of really top priority in the
not down South. That is really the the outline of the process
that will take us through the rest of this calendar year we
see there's a little bit of a gap between Friday's meeting
for the arc and then the December 7th meeting moving
forward.
So in the interim as we continue to have discussions
with the current property owners and their
representatives, there's a pretty big milestone for them
coming up that comes due at the end of this calendar year and
that specifically a pretty large tax bill, it's on the
particular property to the Florida forever process.
Well it will go through the votes they will not be in it
just to talk about and talked to the representatives on till
during the calendar year 2024. So this particular mile so it's
coming up, but it's coming up for everyone here locally.
So we tried working with a structure to bring back to you
today for consideration. That says as we move forward in
this process and as the as the state moves forward in their in
their voting. That will take us through to early December is
there something that we can put in place to help both
demonstrate the county's. The county serious this band or
artist to promote this and our intention to participate in the
process as we partner with the state.
As well as potentially address the big bill that's coming up
here at the end of this calendar year. So we put
together really for peace ABC D
that really looks at the different possibilities that
may happen. All of which will play out as we move forward
through the hard to leave our vote in December.
So the first one says is the part that is favorable.
We have every every dissipation it would be again we can't
speak for the our committee that's their job.
The idea would be as we take some earnest dollars for those
under struck out and say these are the dollars that we can
then use to assist in the payment that happens at the end
of this calendar year.
However, as the as the vote plays out. Should that should
the property gain a priority vote with the arc will continue
forward with the process and then we look to them to
disperse those funds to the park property owner before the
end of the calendar year. So that's the first alternative
or a different if that approach. The second one which
is be on the screen is that what happens is the arch
outcome is not favorable.
So we would still look at the possibility of going ahead and
saying the county still interested however proceeding
forward with a vote and before this ever came to you for the
Florida forever application that was some discussion about
what County acquisition let plan might look like going
forward that we would entertain that discussion in December as
well before you at your meeting and what that
the process would look like going forward, but that we
could still continue to then distribute those dollars the
owner would have what they need to move forward and then we
would just shift gears into this plan. B.
Clancy says that the F the Florida vote is not favorable
that we would still go forward with the S curve distribution.
What if for whatever reason over the course of
X amount of years it would take to acquire the property that
the county would not be able to find the dollars to go ahead
and do so that there would be something on the table that
says minimize the county's risk in the county would have
something in the game for making that that pavement the
end of 2023.
The last piece of this which is the right of first refusal,
there is a. So that our company who's on their property,
currently and has an agreement with the family for that
particular parcel there is a right of first refusal for any
transaction going forward
based on our discussions with the current owner, we don't
expect that that would be become an issue however we
wanted to acknowledge that is still out there and that should
that particular company exercise the right of first
refusal basically the kind of gets the money back and that
transaction that occurs between the family and the cell tower
company.
So those are the 4 potential
wingels and all of this is we tried to sit down with the with
the current owner and try to hammer out exactly what the
approach might look like
basically what we're bringing to you right now as we like to
be able to return after November meeting to give you
the very latest put forth at least on the table, here's a
structure that we think works for all of these potential
outcomes, get your input into that.
We'll then have the heart to vote in early December. So the
next time we meet with you which would be shortly
thereafter on the December 12th meeting. We can lay all of this
out front that says here's what the outcome of the art pope
was. This is the past, we believe we're headed headed
towards are you with everything you that vote on that
particular items and then we move forward with the
particular outcome that we know about at least come that
December meeting so we hope with all of that that we put
together structure that we can both return to you as well as
the current owner. That takes all of these different
possibilities into account and still gives you at the dias the
ability to go ahead and make decisions along the way during
the regular meetings as we move forward into December.
And that's my presentation and today if I could just add
and I know this is this is a lot of so what
we wanted to do is provide you a framework as we move forward
to the end of the calendar year so you're not hearing it.
So you have some options, but by the time December comes to
how we want to move forward with the property. So these are
just options for you to consider so at the next meeting
as Mister durr said is that we could provide a framework on it
and then at the December meeting we'll have more answers
and that you all could actually make a connection. In December.
>> Commissioner, some buyer and then commissioner.
>> Thank you first, thank you Mister durr for
you and your staff and county manager and that you guys
unfortunately
since the the meeting was changed to the state did I and
prearranged plans or I would have been at this meeting
and that said I will support moving forward the
recommendations in the next steps that you've laid out I
think that is a
an appropriate a move that keeps us informed also keeps
the state. Focused keeps the property owner. Where we need
to have them. So we can move to those next steps and understand
what's going to happen come December, so I will support
that.
>> I'm seeing something different than I heard a case
and so I just want to get the record straight.
The meeting where will know the outcome happens in December but
we're we're being asked for a decision in November.
BCC approval and formal execution.
>> Right and so and November, what I want to bring to you is
if we move forward with a purchasing agreement for the
property in case, Florida forever application does not is
not successful. We're going to show you the framework of what
that would look like
and to move what you do not have to I know in his system.
PC approval, we're going to take that and that is where
we'll show you that framework that does so at that next
meeting. And December are final meeting of the year the for the
arkle already the Florida forever committee will already
have voted to place this property on the list or not and
at that point is when you would make a decision on to move
forward to approved to move forward when that case I would
support it.
Commissioner Larry thank you Mister great yes.
>> So the property owners okay with the steps.
We have met with the property owners representatives. I have
to as Mister told that if that is is good with him. But that's
we have talked about the framework on how to move
forward and that December would be that final meeting that
you all would have to make an action item how to move
forward.
So make sure that everyone on both sides are okay with these
steps and we're actually I have the county attorney in her
office is already working on an agreement in case we needed to
move forward so we have we're already starting to work on
that piece as well. If that is the direction that the board
wants to move it.
Commissioner Constantine thank you very much
and I did hear something about a tax bill and I just wanted to
make sure that
you know you're talking about December, but you do not have
to pay your taxes obviously in December. I am so you know that
that gives us a little bit more time, whatever the case may be
but
if it's okay with the one change about the formal
execution in November. I would like to move the approval of
these recommendations.
>> So commissioner has a question and I also have some
questions
where are we on the appraisal.
The appraisal Mister to talk about
>> again that the final deadline and the appraisal in
both racers were
very much under the understanding that while they
have 45 days to complete the prisoners we really need it
sooner than that. However, the 45 days runs out here about 3
weeks from this past Friday, so by the time he comes back to
you in November will have the prices back.
>> So I I would recommend just that we document this after the
fact by updating this document and sending it out to align
with what it is we're saying and please add the date for the
appraisals to be in there so that we just keep a running
order. One behalf of us in the family, so that it's all marked
down.
>> Members any young I just want to did you make a motion.
Yes, I did and I second that motion.
>> Okay, there's a motion by Constantine a second by to
Larry 100 made the motion to did you make the motion I
believe I second that here was on a hunch and mask. That's
scary for me, I didn't care a motion at all I was trying to
be kind that we have to we asked the current usual so
there's South. I am going to ask I live if you wouldn't mind
helping me out because I feel like I'm sat down for a moment.
Support comment. I did not hear second. The first motion
herders from Constantine that's what I heard as well okay
so under under discussion for the motion from Constantine in
the second from July I've been very candid from the very
beginning of this conversation with the family and with our
staff that I do not think the county should be purchasing
this property.
I love this family and I think this property is a great piece
of property. But I also know our limitations as a county for
taking care of the things that we already own
and I
I am
I hate that I have to say some of these things out loud
because I don't want this to be perceived as a
as a dig at anyone in this process.
The fact that there is a tax bill for a property owner in
this community
frankly is not that hat.
It's not every other taxpayers responsibility to figure out
how to get paid for them
and I know that that is a very hard thing to say because I
know we're all trying to make something work.
But if the players were different in the game was
different we would never be having this conversation about
any other piece of property or family in this community.
Taxpayers Seminole County taxpayers should not be
in the position in my opinion
for going into. I'm being asked to put money into escrow as a
retainer with the timeline involved for the purpose of
paying estate taxes or property taxes are where these taxes are
I don't even know what the dollar amount is because it's
not mentioned.
There's no dollar amount here for what it is we're saying
we're willing to move into. There's no there's no result
appraisal to this in my mind is
we're putting the cart before the horse.
If the if the state is going to purchase this property. That's
fabulous we will know that shortly.
If that comes back that we need to find some other mechanism to
I've said before.
If there's a contract for purchase they already have a
development order. That's that's a that's an avenue that
Essex is available.
I have to look at this from a
fiduciary perspective and as an advocate for all of the
taxpayers in Seminole County not just for this particular
circumstance so.
I will not be able to support it given the lack of
information of how much is being asked to be put into a
retainer, how we would actually fund and take care of his
property over the course of how many years I don't know what
the appraisal is for the a piece of property.
I love you all.
But I just I can't so how do those comments out
commissioner. Her
so I just want to be clear and I think what we're doing today
because perhaps I'm not based on your statements.
I don't think we're agreeing to purchase the property to
property today. I think we're agreeing to the modified
timeline and that agreement would come on December 12.
At which point we would have the
appraisal so why can't we remember that would have to be
appraised old we would this is giving us a first shadow of
what the escrow amount would be the tax where is that amount.
The dollar because we're having a conversation it's with a
blank slate, I found it in the briefing, so I think it's yeah
you guys correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the
first years worth of the of the Seminole forever fun.
>> It's it's a little less than that. It's about 3.4 million
that we and then we'll come back with that in November,
but that actual amount is as well as with as Mister durr
said the appraisal. So again you're correct this was just
that outlines so it's not so as we come back in November,
you have more information then by December you can make that
final a decision on how you want to move forward.
>> So from my perspective I only put money in escrow and I
intend to buy something.
And and for the and for the benefit of the public.
Let's be honest no there's no numbers in any of this
presentation
and that back in November to you
okay, but we're agreeing to put.
Nobody ate an escrow account to be used as a retainer with the
owners with options contingent we're not we're not doing that
yet right or not someone made a motion to move forward with
recommendations and next steps and that's what this is.
>> We're that's a great clarification because
technically I have the floor, so I think you are correct.
You are correct that technical piece escaped me.
But I think there though
the fact that it was tied to recommendation and next steps
the recommendation and next steps that I was looking at
with regard to that is the next page. So I think it's page 6.
And that is the timeline as modified so it starts at the
top of it is 10/13/2023. And then it goes to November
and we stated that the CDC was not going to make an herbal
informal execution that was going to be moved to the
December 12th meeting correct that we're all that so I think
what we're saying is that I do think at that meeting
page 5 which is your escrow and all of that good stuff will be
the discussion correct.
5 comes before sex.
>> I just look I want to be really clear because we have
had and all Ernest we have had some miscommunication will call
it the family representatives thought that we had given one
type of direction the county manager thought we'd given a
different type of direction and there seems to be continued
communication. Back to individual board members trying
to get more clarification on clarification so these little
things do matter if we don't clarify them at this point
and I'm and I'm commissioner Constantine I saw your hand go
up.
>> I just wanted to confirm that the motion was as a
commissioner, her understood so that we are not
providing that the county staff the authority to establish a
trust fund or an escrow account sees me now, I'm just simply
starting with the next step to the next step and then you know
we would have in November, we would have more clear but in
December we would be able to decide whether or not we do
that so this is not
purchase the property, this is to go to the steps involved.
>> So let me then just follow up on that because what I heard
was the Seminole forever funds would be utilized for this we
adopted an ordinance Seminole forever that has a process.
Yeah, this circumvents that process before we even had the
first application except for the eye.
>> And I concurred that if that was taken from the Seminole
forever that has not been you know that is a place that is
not decided yet. And in fact fully our will our arc will be
established before then and they could look at that as to
whether or not they felt it would be the right place to
take the dollars from coast does not say where my motion
did not say anywhere that we're using Seminole forever dollars
second.
>> And I appreciate that but what concerns me is we don't
know where the mice coming from we as a board to be directing
where these funds are coming from we just adopted a budget
did not include 3 point however many million dollars
and I just feel like we are we are chasing the shiny object
again we've got something that was wonderful and people love,
but it's another it's another thing we're getting out and not
following process commissioners about.
>> And let me let me have attempt to try to clean this up
for a promotion or in the second fight possibly could
have a shot at it too.
I heard what everybody says and everybody's got some valid
points.
And so what I would say is if we look at page 5.
That is the outline of the deal.
Whatever deal.
The family staff is at spoke to many of us spoke to
then you go to page 6.
That's where the devil in the details coming and coming back
to us.
So if I can attempt to clean this up.
I would make a well you know, it's called I'm prepared to
make a motion to move forward, you know I understand that
we're having a conversation here can talk you off off the
record
is that
we go with the recommendations and next steps.
On page 5, 6, with the understanding
that we're going to know
at the day's outlined on page 6 what the actual deal points are
in the money associated with it.
Then we can make a decision what we're doing at that point
for moving forward or not.
>> So why would the wall several states going to Hawaii
we're getting ourselves commissioner.
So I think I'm going to attempt to clean up the clean. Find
myself doing at home, I live in the boy household are likely
going up all the time.
I think I would ask the original motion or to consider
amending the motion to say
that we move forward with the recommendations and next steps
outlined on page 6 of the presentation or 634 of the
board book
to include the amendment that
the November 14th meeting the words,
BCC approval informal execution are stricken.
And moved to December 12 that they will be presented for BCC
approval and
formal execution.
And that the date be added to that document for the
appraisal to be noted
and it really should be for the cc consideration.
>> And I thought that that was groped you had cleared up the
first time, but yes, I would accept that.
Commissioner, no I don't want to.
>> And I know that I apologize, I know this is clear as mud
sometimes and that's I know everyone has the right
intentions at the end of the day that the that the decision
to be made and the best interest of the county from
from the I I do know that so I do apologize, but just for
clarification the soe
we don't need to come back on November 14th with you know to
it what we want to do is bring back we can bring back the
appraisal we can tell you what that amount as we can tell you
what the Ernest dollars are going to be
we could do that on the 14th or we can just bring it all back
on December, the 12th because then the arc for a forever will
already have their vote.
We will know based on the plan on page 5 you know the
different options that you all could consider on how we move
move forward so
we could be one of the I could do it all on the summer or I
could he said to you all the way to December.
>> Commissioner sent back to our discussion this is for
staff.
So page 5.
Very pointed question.
Is this the outline of the deal on the table.
As it stands today. Yes. Yes last my fellow
commissioners regardless of understand we all understand
we all understand there's no dollar numbers fixed us what's
in our back documents.
>> I have no backup documents.
I few have I'm so sorry, but I I have
we have this presentation.
>> Well, I've got my my record shows somewhere around 3.4 or
something.
That's what that's what we discussed with the family,
yes, but we haven't finished and that sure.
>> So the fine record so so let's let's get granular about
this how can half of us have the information half of us not.
>> I'm I'm still talking, I'm still talking with the family
regarding that with the press. So could we do not have a
number so let's just get that on the record we don't have and
you don't have a number so so the question I have for my
fellow commissioners do you agree regardless. What the
number is.
We understand we're not making a decision today and we're not
making a decision ultimately until
the appraisals come back and everything else do you agree
with a 3 day.
It's a million of its 30 million of its.
We don't know at this point are you already know it not so fast
you can ask commissioner. This do you agree with what it
sounds like.
With a mall.
These are the terms of the deal that's been discussed between
the parties so that drew was in the process. Now yes, okay so
this is what the parties have discussed and arrived at.
We don't know is what the dollar number is.
I think I'm hearing we're going to get that
the 45 days expires whenever
and it sounds like to me that in the 50's either we or the
family will will agree or not agree with whatever that
correct number comes back at correct. When we have a
decision to make.
But these are the terms are not the dollar amount terms
correct.
And so I asked my fellow commissioners do you agree with
the terms notwithstanding we don't have the dollar amount
which I'm hearing we're going to get the dollar amount and
that's when we do we make the decision.
>> As we hear from I feel it whether you agree with the
times or not agree with the terms all go through them
because that's a whole different apparently all eyes
are looking at me because the 3 Gentlemen already agrees so
let's just go through them a 3 D.
So if the outcome is favorable escrow is distributed this
calendar year we've identified that we don't know where we're
getting the money from and we've identified that we
probably should not circumvent our own processes and Seminole
forever. I do agree with that so absent of those 2 facts,
I'm not sure that I can say an absolute yes to that the
reality of it is is that unless we're willing to say we're
taking it out of reserves or we're not doing something else
with it. Roughly 4 million dollars 3 and a half million,
I don't want to make a bigger number then I I don't know that
I can answer that today which is the reason why I'm saying I
don't think we need to answer that today we need to let the
process take place.
If the RC vote outcome is not favorable that's a much bigger
conversation because now we need to know what it is we're
not going to do with that money for that for the duration of
the contract and by the way I don't even have an appraisal in
my hand. So that's like saying do you want to buy the car.
That's it, you know, honestly I feel like I'm on a car lot in
the guy saying how much do you want your payment today.
We all know that's a bad idea do I want the land to be put
into preservation. Yes absolutely do I want the family
to be well taken care of yes.
Those are not mutually exclusive to the citizens of
the county being protected from that decision making up here so
the idea that we you would try to leverage us into answering
these questions right now is beyond me and I don't
necessarily know that I want to own a cell phone tower as a
backup plan to the plan failing so I love that you protected us
with some piece of how you there like art full.
But I think what we have what we should be focusing on is
what we can do. This is an iterative process as all deal
cutting is it's iterative
agree to the timeline on I County manager would tell you
that I would want this to be discussed again, I know for
November 14th because as painful as this is it's the
only time we all get to talk to each other and figure out that
some of us have pieces of information that other pieces
of us don't have we've got to clean that up on our side so we
should bring this back.
>> But the way I outlined earlier now resist that urge to
do that again because bombs like he's got like this over
here.
>> I see the motion a second.
Yes, I do I were you still wanting others to answer your
question because okay commissioner Constantine Q
Mister County manager
does the motion that is before us.
Give you enough to move forward, yes, and and and also
satisfy I think that that most of us I'm not going to say all
this because we still and you know nobody is saying that
they're going to approve or disapprove, but that they we're
moving forward and can do what we need to do.
>> As in this timeline fine I just and I'm happy with the
motion. I'm going to they're not what I'm going to do
because we had an amendment that was not set the second or
did not. Okay the amendment to your first yes we didn't get a
I didn't change anything and said I know you didn't put the
motion are dead and so you are the second and so we're we've
left it hanging dangling partisan pull their waiting to
know if you concur with the motion ers amended.
>> You repeat your mail and in motion commissioner comes sure
I can to take a page 6.
And the show I'm going to be very careful so that I don't
take a page 6. Move that with the exception of the beast on
November, 14, we will still discuss it.
But we will have the BP did we will take out.
The words for BCC approval and former floor model execution
and put that in the December 12.
So removing everything page 5.
>> And gets the.
>> Appraisal so yes, and and of course should begin should be
the appraisals in that in a timely fashion as soon as we
can to commissioner Constantine just for clarification removing
everything from page 5.
We're no we're not putting that in a formal motion, it's not
that we're removing it, it's you know that's what the steps
that the staff has said they're recommending that we are not
but at this point we're taking it one step at a time.
On page 6.
So the next would be October 13 and November 14th to November
7th.
>> So right now you only on with page 6 with changing some
of the clerk, the words, correct correct.
>> It's the second are okay with the amendment.
>> I'd like to see page 5 attached to it to be honest
with you.
So is that enough and if there's no support for adding
pays 5 then I will
back West to the rest of you because I like to move this
thing forward so I do agree with the motion.
>> Okay so the
motion that was stated by commissioner Constantine and
amended in the second or was consented to the amendment.
I'm kyla I'm looking to to make sure that you have what you
need to be okay all right so there's a motion and a second
all those in favor say aye aye aye any of. Oh I'm so sick for
Pete's sakes so here's my problem, Sea Island okay,
no so I look at this is like a county manager's report I
should have done that because we are actually.
It's okay.
Okay, so for the record miss Harman had submitted a form to
speak, but she's saying that she is waiving her right to
speak at this time, my sincere apologies
are there any other forms related to this item okay,
I'm feel free to like jump up and down and waving at me at
any time a slushy Zarate so the motion and the second. All
those in favor say aye aye any opposed I
motion passes 4 to one.
Are you okay, Mister yes.
Our next item, your next steps taken to report
Seminole County arts program.
>> So for the record Ritter leisure services director.
Last year at this time we brought forward the the annual
program that we have started programs.
That was as you recall back in January of 2020.
This particular program as it stands today was adopted by the
board.
And the purpose of this program is to go ahead and assist with
nonprofit arts and cultural organizations with their
general operating support funding so at that particular
excuse me that last year at this time we have direction for
the board to go ahead and bring back to you not just the
overall evaluation criteria. There was some discussion about
the housing program functioning and so forth so staff is going
through and basically done a a
for lack of a better way putting an audit of our
internal processes we go back to 2020 look to see how
multiple years have function. How much how many dollars have
been dispersed throughout the community how many Grant he's
were given grants. And then really put those on the table
for your consideration as we continue forward with the
program reason why we're bringing it here is not just
because we promised to bring it to you back here October of
2023. When the new fiscal year.
This is generally when we go ahead and we advertise it works
at the applications to this particular program. So the
timing is perfect right on. So overall just a couple of
items to note the ordinances was excuse me is the the
processes that was passed by the board. Some of the grants
committee with that for individuals, it's on the
committee, one of the we have a number of funding categories
the maximum that could be requested by anyone at any
given time would be $15,000 and based upon their particular
levels would require a match from that particular
organization
that all of these grants are reimbursement grants. So you
need to be able to to submit the appropriate documentation
that says you've done what you said you were going to do
before the county releases those funds so in some cases
for example if a a request came in for a certain amount of
dollars for program, but the program was wasn't executed
until say the spring of 2024. Once that was done that in that
particular Grant applicant could then get in touch with
our staff and submit the information that says yes even
the of of
adhere to the agreement and then they would receive dollars
going forward.
So last fiscal year. This was the 4th we go around 3rd
go-around
they're about looking at Jack on this is that quite honestly,
Jacqueline runs the entire program. For so I've got to
give her give her
to those I don't know she looked a little nervous now
that I know others that being said we did have some funding
remaining in the program, so we have 4 applications last year.
All 4 of those requests were met at their particular levels
all for mask requirements we still have some dollars left
over.
If you recall for the last 2 funding cycles we did have a a
high school band boosters Association submit. 2 years ago
was for 2 but last year was for trailers purchased both of
those were granted. And those particular funding levels run
here and if you recall that was really the trigger of some
additional conversation, it's it can you bring us back the
entire program for discussion at the next year. So the way
that where we stand today, the current status, the program is
in the new fiscal year budget 2324. There's $146,126 under
budget.
Right out of the gate, 50,000 of that goes to Wayne Dench
50,000 goes to Seminole arts. Right out the gate and we make
those payments almost immediately once we receive
their request for those payments
which basically leaves us the remainder to divvy up among
other grants. Application so this year it's $46,126
based upon the program all these agreements would then be
reviewed by staff and then come back to you for your final
approval and execution of those grants as I said those grants
usually go live in October we start now opening up the
application process
and then we move forward with the program there and then as I
mentioned earlier, he's requested for this to return to
you at this new year, not to read all of these things on the
on the slide. But this is the evaluation that that staff goes
through while reading the different applications that
come forward. This is part of the program as it was adopted
by the board.
Quite honestly. We've had pretty good responses from
everyone who does a request funding.
And they pretty much over here just to a lot of these
evaluation criteria is moving forward and that's their
application states as such.
So as I mentioned the overall process is it is it goes
through we did again sort of an internal audit that says are
you once we received the applications who's involved how
much time is taken who's going back who's receiving the the
reports as they come in. So again we've got the senior
staff. Back to you they're reviewed for approvals that is
over we're going to the goes out to the county Attorney's
Office involved this is an official contract that gets
place between us and the grant recipient. Those go on your
agenda. They come back to you for approval, what is executed
with them to set up its or new vendor in with our system
working with County finance and then quarterly reports are
issued by each of the grant applications applicants
and then when they get to the point at which they have
fulfilled the requirements of that particular agreement that
will be part of their update. So
we do want to point out Jacqueline she gets to chase
everyone down every every quarter make sure that she's
got the proper reports and everyone's been great.
They've been fantastic to work with going forward.
All of that to basically divvy up the $46,000 every year where
we're at so quite honestly there's a lot of staff time it
gets to voted to not a lot of my own and considering that
some of these grants are for several $1000 only again that
is a lot of resources that go towards this particular
programs. So we try to at least bring one option back for you
if you wanted to change gears and this one is to have that
$46,000 go somewhere else for example, we could certainly use
that with the existing County programs. We do have large
programs at many of our facilities that we could
utilize this funding for if you want to look at moving that the
time that staff would spend on the existing program but moving
into our budgeting sequence so that we're evaluating this and
what we make that part of our annual budget so that you could
to see where those dollars would be calling. That's option
so we provide a couple of examples of of how that might
work as part of other discussion there are certainly
other ways and other opportunities that we could we
could also look at at this particular time we brought this
forward to you for your consideration that said if
you'd like to change gears, this is one way to possibly go
and that concludes my presentation.
>> Commissioner Larry thank you enter a brick appreciate all
the hard work to your staff has done I think it's a very
appropriate as a spartan pay 7 here. So I can make a motion to
approve the recommendations in the next step by step second.
A 7th.
>> There's a motion and second under discussion could.
Commissioner
one of the original amount has decided
$146,120.
>> It is a formula that is determined based upon a certain
amount that is multiplied towards our current population
and that's a formula that's that predates even this
particular iteration of this process back and we had a
contract with arts, seeing the same calculation was made in
every budget going forward, so it's it's increased a little
bit each year. But it's pretty much since we've been involved
since I've been involved the program is pretty much stayed
about the $140,000 range told.
>> And what do you anticipate the staff time is to do this
new process quite honestly when I land is we're talking about
$46,000 and we're going to spend $50,000 to spend it.
It just doesn't look like it's saving much time. So I would
land in take the 46 grand and split between the 2 places that
already do arts in this community and what you guys do
what you're really supposed to be doing that would be my
motion. So I don't support the motion or the second.
>> So in our conversations about this and this because as
you said way back to our original a united arts days.
With we found that it
Seminole cultural arts and Wayne Dench had their fingers
on the pulse of the arts community and the people who
were doing exactly what what we've identified as being the
the evaluation criteria and they already have the staff and
the volunteers and the process in place
and
and I I my heart goes out to you for the work that you have
to do chasing these things add on a reef and thing basis is
very difficult and having served on other. Ford's giving
out grants that you know are small dollar amounts. I can
tell you it takes a lot of heavy lifting. I would
I would be happy with taking the 46,000 change in either
giving it all to S e a C or splitting it between Wayne
Dench an S e a C but I don't feel like I want to burden our
staff with an additional process.
>> Rick would you comment on that I'd be fine with that.
That was actually an option the Rick and I had had spoke about
that we let's just we're spending way too much staff
time on this. Of course this happened. A year ago and you
went through this process is like why don't we just the
split in half and give it so we're but we do have other
options that we could we could.
>> Put the 40,000 if you want to lets it. Yeah, I did what I
did want to completely cop out and say you know we just want
to give it all back and you know that take the easy way at
the Kahului it made sense. I'm I look at it
looks like to me that
what staff's asking for is allowed in that direction,
the program these other things as they see fit. All we're
saying is yeah that that's what that's what I understand that
motion. The main
is that not what you're it would be that we were full this
into our our annual budget process
that would be associated with. This would be a small piece of
that is there a way to go ahead and still meet the what it is
you're trying to do with the program but 2 different Avenue
that's that's what was what you're not going to come back
after we give the motion that's on the floor.
Is it your understanding you're going to come back to us and go
hey for permanent exhibits and collections we want to spend
$4,000 that's not what's coming. Yeah, right right
that's correct
that that wasn't what I was saying are.
>> What I'm saying is that I don't even know that we need
the staff to be out looking for we knew if we do our exhibits a
county library, somebody has got to find the art exhibit
they got to find the artists they got it that we just all of
this happens with a significant amount of time work energy so
it's the other side of the equation, not 46 K but the the
time and the talent
and the energy expenditure that you do in this and it's
significant and it's not necessarily what we're here
for. So that's my thought is that I don't think you're
coming back and bringing this to us for votes. It's just that
that if we if we agree to this the way at 7 and there's an
expectation that we're doing this kind of stuff and that
ends up being programmed into the staff time which by the way
we probably owe you an apology for. I mean you chase you chase
down to the matching money over the past year so I I would just
cut the cord.
>> So I understand is a motion a second on the floor, and I
think what you're hearing is that there there may be not be
complete support, I don't know commissioner Constantine.
>> You know, I mean there's there's 2 ways to look at this
in the sense that the $46,000 either we could give them to
give to others or give them to themselves and and for for
their own work.
Commissioner glory, I I I
you know I respect the your motion and and see where you're
coming from, but I tend to agree that I that the fact of
the matter is that the $46,000, I know.
Wayne Dench
has lost money recently, they're they're they're begging
for money. I know the arts Council has always wanted more
opportunity to give small grants through the process
and and I believe that that the staff was bringing us something
that they felt
was you know where we were still controlling it. But quite
frankly, I'm seeing both the county manager and the and and
the staff director saying I want to really rather not do
this.
In the future commissioners I'd rather have staff gives
recommendations that can support in the chambers.
I understand it and I and and I agree with you on that that's
what it was. And that's why I'm coming back to try to get the
real recommendation in my conversation and so the only
thing I would add to it is I think though the Wayne Dench
theater, you know does a number of things and here they could
just use them, I think the council however, we may want to
say whatever portion we get to them that that would be used
for small donations to other groups. I don't know how to do
that exactly but I would leave it to our as people of color
that are extremely competent staff to 2 provide that
language but
commissioner Lori and you like to change that of German.
>> In the future when we get recommendations I want to make
sure that staff is not to be changing their minds in the
middle of the change.
With that being said I will change my motion
that the money be split fifty-fifty between the 2
organizations and the 2 organizations and decide how to
be spent.
Well, you know, you got a second un on second or second.
It's up to us.
So commissioner will agree and I will also fall say.
Just bring us some recommendations to us going
through all this morning
killing nonsense.
I think it. Yes Mister Grant this is our recommendation what
you see in front of you that's what staff's recommendation us.
It was brought up by commissioner a different
recommendation which were OK with as well so I just want to
state that for the record. This is what we
want to bring to the commission to keep with in light of the
arts program. So I just want to state that that we didn't
change it up here we went along with what the second
recommendation was we're good with that as well that really
call the question.
>> There's a motion and a second that was changed
was withdrawn to boost growth, wait a minute I M so chair,
yes, what a man of the question. I know that but I but
for good for moderate rules perspective. I don't know that
we could just change the motion to the motion not be withdrawn
and then a new motion.
Can't really that's a really informal way to get it done.
>> If you'd like then I'm sure I'll remove my motion and make
a second or emotion
that the amount of money that's being presented to us be split
fifty-fifty between both organizations.
>> Second there's a motion by commissioner dallari a second
by commissioner her the only thing I will I will do under
discussion is ask the commissioner Constantine
mentioned earlier that he may want to have a portion of those
funds earmarked for grants to individual artists and programs
is that something you would entertain.
>> I'm sure that the CAC group to understand that they have to
give it to grants to the public and they'll show you how to do
that that's what they do.
>> So my business manager behind me. The contract for
both of those organizations will come back to you for
approval anyway, as part of the process.
>> That's great news. Thank you all right all those in favor
say aye aye any opposed. Yes motion passes 4 to one.
Thank you Mister, thank you we do appreciate you all thank
you. Thank you guys
moving on to district reports, the first Commission district
office district one. Thank you madam chairman.
>> Not sure if you remember, but on the sunroom board we
actually have subcommittees
and one of the subcommittees that we have the best advise re
committee.
That represents some of the county's 2 individuals
and to be
qualified to be on that
you need to be a resident of Seminole County and you need to
ride sunrail at least once a week to work.
So it is not very easy to find. That's not a lives in Seminole
County but uses sunrail once a week to go to work.
>> To well, we actually have an individual that's been on that
board
and I'd like to name is Dorothy o'brien.
He had been on that committee for one term and term expires
and I'd like to reappoint her
to the
sunrail custom advisory committee representing Seminole
County. For the year a change coming 2024.
>> Second a motion by commissioner dallari second by
commissioner zembower
any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed
motion passes unanimously.
>> Next with sunrail we've been talking as we did the last
meeting
and the subsequent meeting with not just our staff, but some of
the tech committee folks from Osceola County.
But the next and we'll meeting
where they're going to be asking us to
family go into an agreement process to bring back to us.
Our staff and all the other tax will work on the transition
that we would have to approve before we make to the
officials. Approval at the sunrail board and so prior to
going to that meeting just to make the motion.
We're a vote on the motion to start the planning process for
the transition, not to approve the transition.
Just to start the transition plan. They're asking us
to agree to start.
Transition planning purposes. I approve will get that
approval at a later time. So I like to make a motion to
allow me to vote in favor of starting the process of the
transition. Planning process. Second second. About the
arrests from one of the other is make the motion is to be
yourself and you can make a motion if you want to make the
motion.
>> I motion by commissioner Constantine to and the second
by I'll second that commissioner zembower
to give commissioner dallari the direction from this board
that we approve of the committee moving forward with
the planning process but not the approval yet. I understood
I yes that was very clear I think that we're just we need
to give the thumbs up that we want to start planning for a
cause we need to be doing that we've got to get that rain down
the tracks literally literally all right, there's a motion and
the second all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion
passes unanimously.
>> Thank you madam chairman next, myself and commissioner
was that up and land
with the state. When they were talking about here where
property and I want to thanks to County staff for their hard
work. And all the citizens that participated in that
it was clear that Seminole County had the lion share of
all the public input from the citizens standpoint
and it was nice to see as many citizens we had there
talk about in favor of the other property put into
and to preserve the property.
I did attend the summit County Sheriff's office faith and blue
a community event. This past Saturday it was well attended.
And it was actually held in Casselberry Park.
Secret Lake Park I was amazed implicitly please all the hard
work that customers doing on the park's properties. And if
you get a chance to play for you be
amazed and pleased to hard work that they've been doing so
kudos to Casselberry
I didn't tour the
and the service is a facility with Allen and see all the hard
work that out on this team's been doing
for the animals
in that shelter is quite amazing and
I think at some point we need to be talking about some form
of expansion because they are busting at the seams
and I'm hoping that as we move forward in the budget process
would be talking about 10 months to come.
But kudos to Allen and the staff for all their hard work.
So this year we had the best appreciation luncheon that you
or I and we each year we do a video. We focus in on one of 2
veterans and the veteran that we focused on was from a.
He would you.
The video that they did was actually entered
and it was actually nominated for an Emmy Award and want to
congratulate everyone is just been nominated. And you want to
orange on the Cote become for their hard work and I'm hoping
it to they actually receive that award. It's not very often
that we get towards like that. But it shows you the level of
hard work that our staff has been putting in to
these types of videos and glad to be recognized by their
peers.
And the video and hard work is not just just video, but I'll
tell you in the past years, it's just amazing all the hard
work that they've done.
So Mister Greg could you please nowhere.
They tell of us right now, but in your own way recognize that
because of the hard work and a movie to do with that me
because to put a lot of great work into it and that's the end
of my report, thank you so much. District 2.
Thank you madam chair first, I would
want to make sure that we recognize that it is b*****
cancer awareness month. And no we haven't had a discussion
about that but that's something that
is a it is a a problem in our country strides been made so
make sure we will.
We recognize that
also want to invite my fellow commissioners and what you want
to know that there's a ribbon cutting ceremony at Lake dot
Sunland Park opening which will be November 16th 10:30AM on
taking up to thank staff.
All the hard work that that you all done and putting that
together for those folks, someone
other than that you're aware that there was an ATV accident
in my district this past weekend. Which there is one
deceased, operating a side by side ATV on the public roadways
which seems to be a
a common narrative and
I'm not sure how we deal with that but I would just for the
record for the public trust. We urge you to not attempt
operate your atv's on asphalt and in the public roadways so
everything else good Shay thank you all very much. District 3.
Thank you very much to the last week
was the first meeting of the statewide opioid abatement
Council
on the 27th and
mostly it was just a
gathering of the 10 members to get to know one another on via
zoom has chaired by the attorney general but there will
be a number of meetings coming up on that and I know how
important that is to all of us.
The Florida wildlife corridor conference also was the same
day as well as a day before the day after I just I spoke on the
27th and
the meeting itself. The conference was well attended
and clearly ducktales very well with the Florida forever and
what time you know what we're moving towards not only with
Seminole forever, but also with the purchase potential purchase
of Yarborough ranch and other things.
The on the 30th commissioner, Dorian I attended the pathway
to care suit
Bolsa for which was a quite quite enjoyable to those.
Yeah quite enjoyable and always wonderful to go to the past to
support such a great organization
chaired by Arafat's own father blew it. On the this week
coming tomorrow, the sick Florida hotel lodgings
leadership monitoring.
I will I'm going to be speaking to that and then on the 12th,
the Orange County charter committee has asked me to talk
to them again about him,
Iran Iran mound, re and and what we have a accomplish
there. I have to ask the original commissioner that did
that to Mister Randy Morse to a company me to answer questions
for them.
On the 12th also is they're the Naco transportation Committee's
meeting
and on the 15th sing Stephen's Lutheran church is having its
50th anniversary at the lake Mary Marriott
and also on the 18th the embassy suite, one of our
larger hotels. He's having a grand reopening and now to
month Springs.
It for those that might be watching and I know this is
important to my own mother and stepfather.
I just got a notice that had away drive will be as you all
know has been closed but it will be reopening.
And
it will be reopening but only until the 17th and that it will
be closed again until the 20 seconds so I don't know how
let's go to work, but I wish them all the best of luck it
had a we drive
and with that that is all I have. Thank you commissioner
district 5.
>> Yes, so I just want to get it on the record that I have
asked the county manager and staff to
prioritize the entranceway to the preserve at Astor farms,
this is Maryland Avenue apparently there are now
significant flooding problems that caused the neighbors in
heavy rains to abandon their cars at the front of the
neighborhood and beg for rides from people that have higher
rise cars and so that
we built that neighborhood we need to figure this out.
And county manager and his team are working in that on that I
just wanted to
put it out there for the rest of you.
I would like to also along with commissioner dallari thank all
of the members of the community and the Audubon society's that
came out and supported us for the Florida forever. Event it
was. It was refreshing to see.
There there's some stiff competition in that pool and I
just want to point that out.
There have been requests from citizens in district 5 with
regard to derelict vessels
and we have not had this conversation yet because we
missed my my 12 o'clock time with you this afternoon.
So I feel sorry about that but I did not realize that we had
to have a partnership with fwc for derelict vessels and we
need to facilitate that I've been the benefactor of that
partnership in Volusia County with the boats that ended up.
I 2 huge sailboats it ended up on my property and they came
and put them up with a crane took many months. They were
both polluting into the water etcetera but that's the
mechanism and it works I've seen it work so we have boats
that are the end and the Saint Johns and probably in other
areas of the county.
>> We need to figure out how to get on that list if I may maybe
help you with that request.
If you'll call me with some information on the derelict
vessels
get with the sheriff's office they already have an
arrangement with fwc
so I've asked the county manager to look into it that's
mine. That's my report, I'm I'm not the county manager I'm not
going to do that work so.
>> We need to figure out what this is because when people
call into this operation they need to know how to be
directed.
I do want to support commissioner zembower you made
some request to add information to the vacancy report that you
see this week and I support all of that additional information
I do believe that's been requested in the past and quite
honestly, it needs to be put out there so it searchable
please stop giving SPD huffs
the it should be filter. Abul excel spreadsheet because
we're dealing with a 150 lines of data and so in order to make
it meaningful and possibly.
She just might be a good topic for a dashboard pie almost made
it through an entire meeting without using that word.
>> And then they. The.
>> Second to last item I we do have rescue outreach mission.
Luncheon is this Thursday know I have a whole host of people
committed to attend, but if there's anyone else that would
like to attend. Please let me know, and I would like to be
glad to host you at one of my tables.
And my final item is to move to a point to the Board of
adjustments. The honorable Carmen Bravo to serve the
remainder of the current term placing Steve coover through
12/31/2023, and then recommend reappointment from January one
2024 through December, 31 of 2027.
We don't have to do it again as a motion that was a motion
second.
>> Second by commissioner zembower under discussion,
the only thing that I would say because we don't have access to
this information in our offices anymore
is if that appointment is a rotating appointment it may go
to another commission office next.
And this is why that whole system
in its current form we need to have access to that information
in our offices I understand in the past there was a concern
that you know maybe our our assistance would get in there
and move things around and mess it up.
We we need to know because for commissioner, I don't even know
that you would know if that's this particular one wasn't
easily accessible for you I think Brenda had to do it
behind the scenes. So just as a point of clarification that is
a project that I know they can says working. And I'm going to
write motion a second any other discussion all those in favor
say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously in the
system right now she did. I also have an appointment to
the law library and its to full fill the vacancy left by Mister
Tom Green. This is for miss Esther mckean
appointment runs until 12/31/2025 seconds.
I guess have well whatever our rules to require me to not make
a motion so the motion a second any discussion all those in
favor say aye aye the other team members just for a point
of interest that are members of the law library, I've marked
Reyes and Daniel Kavanaugh
want to give a shout out to our County storm water crews who
are coming off the trail water drainage project. My office
receives a call from a resident bomber kills letting us know
that the homeowners properties throughout that project were
very well respected and the side and the concrete was that
was damaged was all replaced, and they're very happy that
with the work that was done and it was very appreciative so
thank you so much to our our teams out there.
I will be serving as a member of a panel of outside
sustainable landscape collaborative data like note on
Friday, it's a great group of people looking forward to
talking about that
then I would like if Mister pence wouldn't mind taking a
couple of minutes and just giving us an update on the
outcome of the last charter review Commission where they
organize their board and maybe just give us a few highlights
of their next steps have salute like Melanie tense assistant
County manager.
>> As you're aware last Thursday we held our first
meeting here in this room and the chairman welcome to Denver,
one and Kate
handled the nomination of chair and vice chair of the chair is
John her and the vice chair's this Michelle Smith.
They did agree to meet the first and 3rd with Thursday's
in this room from 68 they limit their time to 2 hours. And
that's what we're going to do possibly to the end of this
year and the that time that decide how they're going to
ramp up. They are looking at potentially having guest
speakers meeting the other elected officials come in and
provide some updates on what they're doing.
We are going to talk about them getting. They're outside
counsel at the next meeting we have have the agenda package
which I've shared with John here and he's going to prove
that hopefully. We were going to talk about advertising for
the outside counsel a little break for you that at the
November meeting selection at that time will begin working
with Council to if they do have a
recommendations word possibly working wording for that.
We are going to allow them to call in they can't vote but
they will be able to listen to the meetings that they can
attend.
And
I think that's it at the other thing that like that that the
November meeting they are going to
plan out what they want to do for the next 3 meetings after
that so be very well, we noted in the agenda and will know
what's coming up and they can focus on particular items of
interest that they may have and that's what I know today it's
wonderful.
>> There is a Web site for the charter review Commission there
is and so if members of the public are interested in what
they may be tackling the agendas will be there the
minutes will be there. It is that right that's great and
thank you so much to the clerk's team that we're taking
the minutes and being I'm on a plane for that sauce.
>> Very helpful and very hopeful. Thank yous of that I
want to let you know we have they also suggested that this
meeting would like to share with anyone like it. Maryland
Friday suggested there's a free 18 page.
I think it's cause sitting municipality chart kind of
informational booklet that I provided idea and said to all
the members because she thought it would be helpful for people
who have not been on a shard of course I said that to them as
well as they wanted the late all the minutes and the clerk
was very kind to provide that for them but to say he's like
that before that take office 70 interest. Commissioner just out
of curiosity. The meetings are open to the public they are
and his public comment taken it's taken at the end of the
meeting
get that out there. Yes, thank you very much place could point
all right, thank you so much the only other thing that I
would like to
>> to comment on is that our flags are all being flown at
half-staff
and respect for the victims of the terror attacks in Israel
and in recognition of the fact that Florida stands family.
In solidarity with the state of Israel and wanted to make sure
that
our community members who may wonder why flags are at
half-staff that is why you're here.
And certainly I I know we all appreciated very much the
prayer this morning from the pastor, I'm praying for the
Israel and we all know do as well so.
>> Anything else to come before the board any other items,
I'm all right we'll be adjourned at for. I did it
again.
This is going to be someone needs to get me a hug when I
when I we turn over
the gavel, somebody somebody working to get me a mug that
says don't forget the line for heaven sakes I'm so sorry miss
shadix
Katrina shadix 1011
so the coat ran Geneva, Florida, 3, 2, 7, 3, 2,
First of all I want to thank you.
>> Chairwoman for everything that he said concerning
purchasing the Yarborough property.
I was actually flabbergasted that the county was going to
bend over backwards to pay a tax bill for a property owner
gets into a very scary precedent
of like a government bailout are we going to pay the are the
taxpayers going to pay the tax bills for all of the landowners
who don't want to wait an extra 3 months to get their money
from the state.
And Mike let the police officer and the driver school
instructor used to tell me what I would visit them frequently
for giving speeding tickets ahead, let's put so I was going
to school to try to get the point. They told me I voted
down as it was very good
that my lack of time management skills does not constitute an
urgency on their part.
And then the same aspect, the yard for us lack of financial
prudence does not constitute a 3.4 million dollar tax bill for
the taxpayers. So thank you for saying that because
I sent a speech press that the county was going to do that
and the reason the county does not have to do that. It's
because the 20 the Florida forever.
Program has hundreds of millions of dollars they do not
need County money to buy this land.
I actually was a sponsor and attendee of the 45 or the M
Florida wildlife corridor summit to about 2 weeks ago.
And they are bending over backwards to buy land. We know
our landowners a lot of landowners
of the younger generation, not wanting to work the land.
They don't want a ranch in part. They don't want to farm
and that's what this program is for for the younger generations
who want to cash out to developers and destroy all
those wonderful land. This program is going to save our
environment and save the wildlife in the corridor that
the wildlife uses so you know that's but that young girls
wait like everyone else this for the money and
and if bill high would have been behind would have been
here today the thing that he might have had a heart attack
you might have lost him that's how.
So for me to get a parent and the place bill a tax issue
should say something should make an impact.
Also too.
Oh and there's another reason the reason why we buy these
lands by the state by some ways I think they have 400 million
last year 300 billion is from the feds 100 million was from
the state the reason why the phases and because of land are
in danger of development so we do want to take that danger
away and the reason why the Arbor a land is not in danger
of development is one, okay, just 3 minutes for executive
director. Give we do have that lawsuit and it's kind of in a
holding pattern that we wanted to add that's preventing any
development from happening right now there's no way
developers going to buy that land with an existing lawsuit
regarding the development second of all
was that archaeological find recently found on this land
they cannot develop of it, you know with the archaeological
find was
and African American civil war soldier grave site. They are
was a dog and I can I can do over the grave site.
>> That is and I know I do know this that we should be talking
about that yeah I'm not sure sure that's relevant to issue
them a shot as you know if you have something else that you'd
like to address the board yes
of bouch.
>> Meant that. Earlier, yes. Commissioner zembower question
my knowledge about poaching rings and we do have a lot of
pushing and pushing things going on this has been a
growing issue for since the 90's. Senator Mitch McConnell
made a statement to Congress about this and said it was
going to get worse which is and what we have are several.
I just say undercover investigations going on right
now a lot of I report it so we can give details but there is
poaching going and this is contributing to the Asian black
market doing their parts. So there is a lot going on,
but we can't talk about that and as Michael Landon had
stated when I helped them less than other poaching ring of 4
years ago when I first reported it.
It took a year before arrest were made they had to go
undercover they have to do a lot of things to get this
evidence it was pretty gruesome.
But every month law enforcement call me and tell me what was
going on and said don't say anything don't say anything so
I should probably apologized to the fwc for bringing up the
coaching problem. However, I don't think it's detrimental
because I didn't give any details of all the undercover
investigations going on, but there's a lot of coaching going
on. So we don't need to dismissed and we need to focus
on peacefully coexisting with the Bears for securing the
trash, instead of relocating them.
In them.
Last thing I caught very poachers, you know with the
Bears having all of these issues coming at them at many
different angles.
We have people that pick to so many various, their main food
source for this time of year and actually caught 2 of them
to make the most part brazen Seminole County did a great job
there she called me back to do a photo lineup and pick them
out. So there is an undercover investigation going on and and
you know we're talking and we had a dream come true, but I
don't property would be to restore wildlife habitat and
that all this natural well my food on there so they can move
on their happily ever after thank you, thank you miss
shadix.
>> And I apologize again for for getting public comment.
Is there anyone else here who would like to address the board
who neglected to fill out a form before I
the fence, somebody else.
We'll be adjourned at 4.10. Thank you.