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>> Thank you so much for joining us this afternoon.
I'd like to reconvene our County Commission meeting of
the Board of County commissioners. One 30
have a motion to accept proofs of publications so moved that
second the motion by commissioner zembower second by
commissioner for all those in favor say aye any opposed
motion passes unanimously. Before we start our proceedings
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others and I have been I have spent trying to clean up.
Many for the last meeting but since then to now we have not
but I also had ex parte from the last item but not. Now
before we get address item 35, we're actually going to address
item 36 because staff is requesting a continuance as we
were notified about this morning so Mister
>> grade you want to address that first. Thank you madam
chairman, yes, so item number 36 staff is recommending a
continuance to October the 24th,
we're still doing a few briefings and that will give us
enough time to finished those briefings and then bring that
back to the board.
I just finished a discussion with MS. Amick that's not going
to I'm not missing any deadlines if we have it on the
24th correct. So the 24th works for us.
>> And just the 24th is the drop dead date it cannot be
pushed past the 24th is that correct.
I have miss hammock addressed I think we need to
because it is pretty hard to get it.
>> For the record of the hammock development services
director so measure where we're also processing the year based
amendments but along with the land development code updates.
We have concurrent comprehensive plan amendment.
So if we delay LDC amendments that have the concurrent
comprehensive conference of plan amendments. It's going to
create discrepancies with the year based amendment so we
really need to bring this forward prior to the year based
amendments coming before you for transmittal.
>> So any questions any concerns any clarifications we
need to get as I'm from you and cleared up before the 24 so
that we're ready to address this on that agenda here in the
U K S okay all right, thank you absolutely.
So commissioners do we want to have a motion to move.
>> Move to a certain of 10/24/2023.
>> Second motion by commissioner zembower seconded
by commissioner her discussion commissioner.
>> Thank you madam chair, I had a bunch of questions like to
just we can't talk to each other outside of the speeding.
I'd like to actually show you what my questions are that can
do that correct.
>> Yes you can provided to each of the other commissioners they
don't respond. And so I just got handed out to all is well
with staff.
>> Was going through this weekend. These are the
questions that come up with an. Planning a meeting with staff
as soon as possible to make sure that these additional
questions will be addressed to make sure that one sees what
we can set your 2, 1,
>> And the other discussion. Thank yes, madam chair, I
I would just ask staff. I know this has been a very laborious
task that has been
dredging along for quite some time I think it would be
helpful and I talked to some of the stakeholders
if we can get possibly a a road map.
And time the LDC comp plan and their amendments together.
So we all know where those moving pieces are going from
one document to the other and back and forth
is that a possibility.
>> Jay says could tell because they yes and actually I had
provided a graphic at the last work session for the year based
amendments that shared that entire process flow right.
So we can certainly share that with the stakeholders as well.
>> Yeah, but maybe what I may be more specific and I
appreciate that answer I thought about the specific line
items that we're contemplating changing the provisions were
changing. Exactly we're they flow in and out of the year as
well as any of the elements of the comp plan.
>> So with the year based in Memphis. So that the land
development code updates. That is that's what we're this
is the first this was supposed to be the first reading of the
ordinance to them and the land development code there are
concurrent conference of plan amendments that specifically
relate to those land development code changes
related to the missing middle specifically as an example and
so where we had to change the conference of plan to match the
land development code changes, so that your base amendments
which were have scheduled a 3rd work session on October 10.
So the when we go forward with the airbase amendments they
will incorporate the changes that are being proposed with
County see understood and I follow all that, I'm just
asking you have a blueprint for that's flowing in and out.
Yeah, we could do I not sure I understand the question we
provided copies of the land development code changes.
Planned changes to all the stakeholders numerous times so
I guess my question is it can you define the blueprints but.
>> Have all and what I just said it's easier followed
coming from you all the same method to everyone so we don't
all get off in the weeds and our stakeholders get off and
wait, but I built my own, it's not a problem.
>> No, I think commissioner said I think I'm sorry Mister
gray has been trying to get a word in and so I think you are
saying that actually the same thing commissioner zembower we
have.
>> Billy we we definitely have that so let us go over that
with you so make sure we're on the same page every but you're
talking about and then from there yes we can actually give
that out to the stakeholders and any for and you or anyone
else that you all want us to distribute that too so we're
all working off the same sheet of music.
>> Right because the problem has been is is when piecemeal
over a couple of years.
Yes with this is a red line of this section, this is a red
line of that section.
At no time do we have one whole document correct, although it's
in the ordinance I got that
but then you can go from the ordinance back to the original
code, what provisions are workers in the year and maybe
it's maybe I maybe I can follow that but it will go over with
you.
>> Yes, we have. So in the past work sessions we provided it
would be recalling a friendly draft of the land development
code and not change did a strike thrower underline
version so we have provided that to the board previously
and we had indicated that the previous work sessions that
when it did come before you for fighting for final adoption
chapter 30 is an entire repeal and replace she would only see
the clean version actually chapter to chapter 30 chapter
two's the definitions so that we have provided air strikes to
underline of the all of the changes previously.
Again, thank you so much any other questions before we take
up that commissioner.
>> Just a comment that what I think there's been one 16
briefings on this topic, some of which came before me.
But I I've only had 13 seconds while you were talking to look
at the document that was handed to me I would ask that the
answers get added to this document so that there's not
it's not just the telephone game of briefings down the
hallway that we actually take these one by one so that we can
move forward in time and we're all on the same page that
great.
>> And that was the reason president Trump trying to get
in and get that the staff digitally not Park on sure we
have thank you.
>> And chairman can I make one more request, a possible
commissioner zembower and I also spoke about some possible
changes. Could we include the. Distribute those as well to the
other board members because I do think some of those are
policy related questions that we need consensus from the
board on.
>> I've got no problem putting my list and and share my list,
my fellow commissioners, I'm at in my opinion, it's all policy
decision-making on this issue
we're talking the problem that all okay.
>> It would be helpful that way we can all come to the
conversation with the same information and think that
thank you very much. Thank you we've got a motion and a second
any further discussion all those in favor say aye aye any
opposed motion passes unanimously.
All right item number 35.
>> Mister Robinson good afternoon, madam chair
commissioners to Robinson, the plan development.
I'm here to present the award on the Parkway this is a site
was continued from the August 22nd Board of County Commission
meeting.
The applicant is requesting a small scale future land use map
amendment from planned development to plan development
to rezone from PD plan development to PD plan
development in order to increase the number of
multifamily residential units from 300 to 680 in that ad.
So and in September 2016 the PD was approved for 300
multifamily units 40,000 square feet of retail 15,000 square
feet of restaurant.
80,000 square feet of Class A office space and a 200 key
hotel.
And the applicant is now proposing to add 380
multifamily units in place of the 200 room hotel and the
80,000 square feet of office space.
The crew could PD and titles 40,000 square feet of retail
and 15,000 square feet of our referee restaurant space to
remain in the Pa.
A draft development order still allows the applicant the
ability to have the hotel and office uses up to the
previously approved maximums
through an equivalent reduction of another proposed to use
do the equivalent production is determined by using a traffic
conversion matrix which is included in the development
order.
Since the August 22nd board meeting the following changes
were made to the development order.
Workforce housing is no longer being proposed.
The applicant has committed to 5,000 square feet of retail
space.
Permitted uses now exclude drive-thru restaurants.
And then condition was added to explore providing parking for
the Seminole wekiva trail during final development plan.
Abbreviating this a little bit because we have with went over
this a few times. But I'm happy to answer any questions about
cover something.
So regarding the future land use designation.
It's currently zoned plan development as I stated earlier
and that allows a maximum intensity of non-residential
Florida about 02:00AM for you may show up to 1.0.
The proposed future land use map amendment would maintain
that maximum intensity of 1.0 4 ERA. Ray show.
The overall multi-family residential density would
change.
If you include the existing multi-family units the
the 300 plus the additional 380.
Over the entire plan development area of 12.2 acres
to the overall density would be 55.7 20 units per acre.
I'm happy to explain that later and talk about that if that
would help
as far as right away dedication. The applicant
proposes
right away dedication with shared access along the
northern property boundary in order to serve the new fire
station on first Street.
And then the specific area will be determined at the time of
the final development plan
regarding school capacity, the additional students generated
by the proposed project can be accommodated without exceeding
adopted levels of service standards for each school type.
So as I mentioned that kind of go briefly
get right to it the consistency with the land development code
and the comprehensive plan we find that the proposed plan
development future land use designation and planned
development zoning classification to be consistent
with the conference of plan and land development code.
Staff recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a small scale future land use map
amendment from plan development to plan development and adopt
the ordinance enacting a rezone from PD plan development to PD
plan development and approve the Associated development
order and master development plan for approximately 12.2
acres located on the West Side of international Parkway
approximately a half mile north of County Road 4.60. That
concludes my presentation, but happy to answer any questions
you may have. Thank you any questions for Mister Robinson.
We reserve the right to call you back up has not yes,
thank you. And the applicant ice do season, the room right
which the applicant like to make a presentation.
Good to see everybody left.
So Matthew Wyman I'm here with tax cut or a my partner and
longtime owner and participant in this land.
>> You know we've been here a few times and I look forward to
covering what I think is collectively brought
everybody's thoughts.
Concerns and ultimately what we're going to go through with
you. I think is the highest and best use for what we look at as
the anchor to the entryway into Lake Mary's international
Parkway
so will go through the presentation it will be
segmented into 2 site plans of what is allowable for the
existing zoning. 2 site plans for the residential use that
we're currently evaluating both executions.
We'll share some ideas on where we could add additional parking
for the trail
and followed by a touch on the office market because we're
asking for change from the existing office entitlement to
residential us we want to touch on the dynamics of the existing
office market within Lake Mary as they stand today. It also
brought Robbie McEwen a who's a top office leasing and sales
broker within central Florida. So when I get to that site to
bring him up just a few perspectives from somebody
that's in the market and then the last piece I'm going to
share just a 3 pictures will talk through 3 high-density
kind of mixed use projects that are within the Southeast that
have really become the the highest and best use and that
is really the ultimate vision of what we see within our site
as well as the new density that's out of our sight
supporting other uses office retail of the surrounding
contiguous parcels so
with that.
That's yours all right so. This is what we're allowable
per the existing PD and really where we've identified the
existing market and so as you can see we have 3 help or so
restaurants and a limited service hotel.
You know given the strong demand from users with the new
highway infrastructure package is coming. Drive-thru as well
as out parcel restaurant, so these are 2 different
configurations of site plan.
We know we can beat the market today.
Our view is that this site is really primed for a you know
nine-figure high quality mixed use residential retail project.
So.
This is one of our site plans that would incorporate both the
4 and a half acres and the one and a half acres to the south
as a shared density
this is a could be anywhere from a 4 story to a 6 story
product we're again going through different exercises of
costing him pricing to determine this site plan and
what direction we ultimately taken going to share with you
the second, but as you can see it because from around 252 a
little over 380 units. It's also important to point out on
the highlighted the parcel to the south. We've committed to
5,000 square feet of the minimum retail and this site
plan which is a a lower a retail component we have just
under 12,000 square feet so our hope is that today we can get
the entitlements and then we will be able to go make the
market within the retail space depending on what that demand
is directly across a Littler you'll see the shaded area that
we've identified as amenity space that could also
potentially be an anchor for additional retail if the market
signals to us that there is additional retail density that
wants to come to the site.
So this is the other configuration we actually does
find all the residential to the north 4 and a half acres
allowing us to preserve the one and a half for other uses
primarily retail focused again this is the costing analysis
that we're going to really evaluate what the that's plan
is for this project.
This is just a rendering of the 7 Storey product that was the
slide just before this this is the quality project that we
intend to bring to the site.
This is the parking so while it's not on the site you can
actually see in the corner. We actually have dieted parcel
or deed to that corner sliver which we've explored as
additional parking for the trail. Again within the Deo are
asking for an opportunity to come sit back down with the
county. So that we can expand parking and you know this
location, this location. The South is actually owned by
the county right now so again depending on what the county's
desires are weeded out anywhere from 15 to 30 additional
parking spaces and one or both of the sense.
So no probably come up and talk a little bit about the office
market but
one of the things that we have a I think all identified is
that covid has changed a lot of the in office requirements
between remote working and you know coming from somebody that
owns a lot of office we've really been on the front lines
of this and Fortune 507 really elected to take a lot of their
workforce to remote. So the existing office vacancy was in
Lake Mary right now is around 19%. But when you had in the
sublease space plus the dark space. That is not being
occupied the existing office art market vacancy today is
just over 40% which is why looking at our existing Deo the
offices in our opinion, not the right direction to go given the
existing market but a late rally touch a little bit more
on our existing office.
>> Madam chairman board. Appreciate the opportunity to
be fairly brief. In in in going through this. I think Matt
touched on this but I'm I'm head of investment sales for
jail with the second largest commercial real estate company
in the world. We're seeing obviously some troubling trends
in the office market, I don't think that's any secret to
anyone in this room. But I mean it day to day so I see a lot of
the things that are sort of I I guess not seen in the public
not seen through the media and because we have troops on the
ground, we know the market very well I think that 40% number is
probably fairly surprising to some folks because when you
look at direct vacancy got 19% but underneath that you've got
a lot of sublease space on the market, which means the tenants
don't intend to use that space and typically when their lease
expires that means they're going to take 8. I think the
other underlying stat that most people see is what we call dark
space which is existing lease space where the tenants are
just not in the building. So you drive by Alex buildings
today you don't see cars in the parking lot even though that
building is on you know still under lease and the owner has
still has a tenant technically in that building they're not
utilizing it they're basically waiting for that lease
expiration and then they're going not obviously not going
to be and in that space. Underline 40% is is just a
trend. Unfortunately I think obviously with covid and work
from home trends that we've seen in the market. It's it's
basically created
the downsizing of a number of companies to wear even if they
are still in the office, you know against some groups and
some companies completely and gone to work from home model
but the groups that are in the office are typically on a
hybrid schedule. So they're working anywhere between 2,
4, days a week, so therefore their occupancy or desired
occupancy is in many cases, 40 to 50% of what it used to be
and so as we've seen that downsizing. It's affected the
market, not all some markets are created the same Lake Mary
is an institutional market. At one time it was really our
top institutional markets when I say institutional markets,
they're basically 5 submarkets in central Florida where
institutions invest because they have the highest demand in
the highest quality of office product I think it's no secret
Lake Mary has a lot of quality office product unfortunately
with those trade and the types of businesses that are in Lake
Mary basically just where the type of businesses that went to
those work from home transit have been hit a little harder.
The number of the other office submarket so we're seeing now
some distressed assets come to the market we're seeing some
assets go to lenders that's the trend now so that's just that's
the bottom line here is that the lack of demand for office
product again there's a lot of quality office product but
there's not really much of the demand for that product right
now. In many instances when we're valuing assets where
there are stark space for a lot of vacancy you're valuing the
asset basically as what we call a covered land play. So it's
really only worth the land underneath the building just
because of the lack of demand.
So because of the amount of space you don't see that really
changing anytime soon. I think certain 7 markets are fairing
better than others because of the
kind of underlying economics within those areas. So
unfortunately that's the trend over 40 like Mary has been
hit fairly hard by that simply because you have sort of a lot
of back office for insurance for tech companies that have
gone to more of a work from home trend.
Thank you Robin.
So
the good news is that tenants are looking for.
>> Higher density live work play that are contiguous to
highway so that they can pull in a larger workforce, and
they're really looking for a product that as always for a
variety of uses that that they put people back into the
office, maybe it's somebody that's riding their bike across
the street. It's somewhere where they can go get you know
a handful of different restaurant options within
walking distance. So in our lock is a project in Atlanta.
These are some of the highest office market rents that's a
fully occupied product was a residential component that's
just on the other side of this site you also have a retail
component with in this. The downtown Orlando. Truest
towers, same dynamic you have hotel retail and office.
Those other uses are really what is supporting the office
lastly we have camperdown in Greenville South Carolina.
So on this side you have office residential and hotel, same
dynamic fully leased office building fully stock market a
multifamily projects and some of the highest a hotel a
wrecked cars
and all of South Carolina are at that project. So what we're
proposing is to help support our neighbors in the contiguous
office buildings and other retail by adding more a
residential which is more people can support more
restaurants and more office building so happy that offer
any more of these in detail.
But again why we're asking for your support too.
Allow us to change the office use to residential and also an
exchange chopping the drive-thru which I know the
community and others have been against same or a drive-thru
and limited service hotels so
with that next and if there's anything you want to.
>> We want to thank all the commissioners and the staff
members for supported me over all these years and I ask for
your loss and that's all I was like you.
>> Any questions for the applicant.
To take effect
to the parking for the trail. Yes,
walk me through the ownership of the property.
>> So in the far right corner, there's just a sliver of that
parking lot on the corner
that is due to Max and that site was always intended to be
a memorial for Maxine year. And so when we were responding
to comments about how do we expand parking. These are just
options we can also talk about expanding parking on our direct
site by adding additional parking to support more uses.
But our reporters owned by Mister Max, the other person is
actually a right of way that is owned by the county. So we
would be open to participating contributing our land where we
are back senior by creating small Memorial and maybe this
can turn into additional parking may be a playground or
other shaded area to be a micro Park for the community.
>> We can can you show us that on your site plan with its
located because I don't see it's got to it's got a laser
pointer there that. It's a dark shaded area I see the dark
shade there, but I love the way that is related to a site plan.
And there so yes actually the first areas right here.
And the second areas adjoining right now the board has for
that streams activity out to that.
Jonathan Martin was killing want to say she is a civil
engineer night were. So right now there's pedestrian connect
connections here but we're thinking this is such a great
opportunity to create parking here and or a sort of parking
in a pocket Park for you know kind of a little local Park in
the area as well so those lands are available and with the new
road going through that was kind of the thought that take
advantage of the new fire access we've worked with the
Fire Department to decide where we put the gate because I
understand they don't want to be a fleece off 3 for free from
the right of way to connect so we would still have the Fire
Department gave a choice Lee put. We also talked about on
street parking here it someday you decide to open that you
could come back and that some parallels spaces in here to add
some additional parking for the for the trail. So you know part
of that when we made last time is that we're going to start
investigating these ideas and and I think these 2 are
winners.
Thank you any other questions for the applicant.
Yes Mister to pok just like to point out.
>> The space where the parking spaces are listed are outside
the scope of this particular hearing it's outside of the
property that has been advertised for the rezoning
today. So it's a discussion you're having with the
developer or about potential other parking but it's not
really germane to the rezoning today just wanted to point that
out for the record.
>> I appreciate that I ask that because there the trail from
parking to County owned property in parking was
concerning to me so he's cleared that up and I
appreciate that outside the reason why it's on the drawings
because it's outside the scope of today's meeting.
I do want to understand better the the 4 story to 6 story
comment.
Where do you think this will end up.
>> So our next step is once we have approval to transition
residential we move into cds and we intend to go through a
full sex story CD package once we have those cds now we are
able to go back into exercise pricing. One of the dynamics of
the existing market. We're in is it's a little difficult to
really pinpoint where cost is going to come in
the economic objective about ours is to add all 6 stories
awful that city parallel to that we are exploring finfrock
which is a different type of construction system where we
can include all of that density to the north 4 and a half acres
and then preserve that one and a half acres to the south for
another type of mixed use or additional retail density.
>> Decided to question it does answer my question, but that
actually is is increased density on top of increase
density and that plan.
So and quite honestly, I'm not a 100% certain I understand
what retail on one and a half acres.
And this might be myopic in my point of view, but I don't
think you drive to a retail center that is on one and a
half acres as a destination.
So would have to be something that serves those apartments,
dry cleaners etcetera
coffee shop, it's it's not really a
additive to the rest of the community probably not going
there.
>> So our original plan was to actually follows process for
all of the residential was included to the north when we
really started looking at costing exercises we have a
look at the different construction system which is
when we really started to say OK what if we spread some of
that density to the north or to the south side. So what I can
say is when we first started this project, what's
interesting about this site is you actually have a very wide
drive time 2 whole want consumers to the north so we
actually talked to 2 high-end restaurants about anchoring the
if that is a mixed use solely retail project it would have to
hire and restaurants that we were talking to about incurring
into that site and then you fill in the balance with you
know the traditional users, it's coffee store workout spot,
a dry cleaner, you know the other types of uses but that
quality a restaurant or really brings in a different type of
user that all say that
it's kind of point but right now where we go. The other
project the 4 story or 6 story project were both residential
units are spread across the bow. But actually allow us to
get a lower a market rental rate which is part of our
consideration in terms of what project that will ultimately go
the other one is you're really reaching and stretching pushing
the top end of where market rents would be the other 4
story or 6 story project could actually have a lower rent
threshold for a suit we have economic viability.
Thank you can you tell us why you eliminated the workforce.
So in consideration of all of our evaluation. This is
something we talked about with Steph what's interesting is our
economics party maintain the whole project is within the
workforce, designation of the county.
40% of am I
so as consideration to some of the concerns that we heard we
have stated, okay, let's add 10% of the unit to accommodate
some of the requests that we were fielding
and when we brought those back to lenders there's a limited
pool of capital for workforce, versus traditional market rate
and so
inherently we would actually be driving up the project cost by
restricting the deed to workforce in essence we are
already going to be achieving some 140% of am I within our
existing market rents of roughly 2.25 per square foot.
What do you think the square footage of the units will be
roughly 900 feet
on average.
And the other questions for Mister wife and.
>> We love to call you back up if we have any additional
questions thank you great. Thanks so much.
Are there any members of the public who have submitted forms
wishing to speak,
is there anyone here who would like to speak a neglected to
fill out a form.
Anyone, seeing none members of the public who wish to speak
will close the public hearing.
And Mister Reitman without anyone here to speak you
there's nothing really to rebut so I don't know if you need
additional time to do that. Commissioners,
we've heard a presentation from staff you've heard the
presentation from the applicant.
We've heard questions from commissioner her answers are
there any other questions or anything before commissioner
Constantine
thank you very much.
And then commissioner zembower
I'm going to try to
I don't want to belabor this but
this seems to be
a shell game.
You know it's you know we're talking about
390 units on lot, one.
>> The addition of 15th as commissioner her pointed out
29390 and said I see something wrong. You should lot 1,
3, 190 units 1, 2, in which everyone I can't read that
exactly maybe it's like
which to come yes, Mister Biden to get clarification it's like
to know that's why one guest next to that study to 90 to
3.90 is and that is separate from years, it's owned by
somebody else.
390 on the northern light.
I guess that's like to.
But as commissioner her pointed out. We're also looking at
potentially 15,000 square-foot restaurant 40,000 square-foot
retail
having an opportunity for another 80,000 square feet in a
200 room hotel.
Guaranteeing 5,000 square feet of office space or commercial
today. What we're getting for what the people the taxpayers
are getting for giving.
This additional density
tension Ali, but as our attorney pointed out
not necessarily. Parking for truck for trail.
And a guarantee that we're not going to have drive-thru
restaurants which probably in the market that wouldn't happen
anyway.
We asked 22 to vote.
Could it just ended their and could have said no, but we gave
the developer the opportunity come back and re-evaluate this
in a later date for them to look at a table housing,
less density a setback line alike vehicles we've got
electric vehicles of 20% for parking.
The fact of the matter is that.
I don't understand what makes this project.
So special
that in all essence if you take out all of this and potentially
you're down to like 4.5 or less.
4.4 7.
Which comes out to 85 units per acre on this property.
Now people will say OK you know I don't have a problem with
that I do
density creates
whether you you know of traffic problems and congestion certain
time it does create additional. Students in our classroom,
it does
diminish the quality of life in certain areas, but let's just
go to unintended consequences.
Unintended consequences we are the live local act.
The live local act.
I'm reading it correctly and I've been told I am why lawyers
that we're whatever density we allow the highest density in
the county.
Affordable housing developers can come in and
acreage density per acre.
So what we're doing right now is the highest density in this
in the county
is 40 units per acre which by the way is on lot the other
line right there.
85 units per acre and let's just say give him the benefit
of the doubt because they've merged the 2 even though the
one does it is unknown by them that it's 65 units per acre.
Can you imagine the unintended consequences of developers
coming in saying we can get 65 units per acre of affordable
housing on X y Z lot
based upon the live local act.
I don't see I don't want to be a downtown Orlando.
And I don't you know, I mean that to me does is not anything
that I'm excited about in that location.
I don't understand my responsibilities to the
taxpayers.
Not to ensure that somebody maximizes their development in
a particular area. And I when we offered
the opportunity to go back and look at things
I'm not seeing anything substantially different.
I'm seeing the same request.
And in some cases you know is 6 stories I try those maximum of
5 stories maybe he's just on one side that it's only a
maximum 5 stories but I'm hearing 6 stories now.
But I don't see any changes in density I see you know the
possibility of higher density
I don't know what makes this special, I don't know what the
citizens of Seminole County are getting that makes this
project.
Us willing to provide them
double the density that has been given to any other person
before that.
And so
I feel I did point
we offered them the opportunity to come back and to give us a
different
proposal with the table housing and and you know just because
they say that it's not worth the effort.
Well folks it's worth the effort for us, even if it's a
little bit we've got to find a tenable affordable workforce
housing in this community.
And this is a perfect location for because it is gives people
the opportunity to walk to places in and drive short
distances for work and play and everything.
I give him my job is to ensure the protection of the citizens,
not the protection of the developer
and not to maximize their ability to get as much density
is they can on the particular priest property.
So with all that
I'm going vote. No on this project and commissioners,
I'm sorry I would just ask every one else to consider
not only why this project is so special that it deserves this
much density
but looking
at the long term unintended consequences of white it then
box us into commissioner zembower
so.
>> I appreciate incineration on the trail possible parking some
I would like at some juncture this has been contemplated
previously that some kind of trail access in this general
area would benefit you know those visiting our area as well
as and those that work. I don't want to live in that area as
well.
I hear what the commissioner Constantine saying the reality
is you know live local act.
It's all going to run by dollars to if if his property
is so expensive what you can afford to put affordable
housing on it than that some coming up on somewhat we're
going to do as far as the county to either subsidize or
reward.
Through several.
The vehicles that we've already
agreed to deploy as far as impact fees and density bonuses
and those kinds of things but the reality is this is not the
right place in my opinion for work for force housing would be
great to have some of that generate the property values
are just sky
and the kind of Parkway has come through here, which is
changed the entire dynamics of this area.
So if it's not uncommon what we're seeing I think staff is
saying staff is recommending this staff the scene,
numerous of these commercial entities coming in.
The guy just nothing happens with them so we want to have
things with commercial office just sitting there empty.
We have plenty of that now I'm on Springs, we have plenty of
that in and around Lake Merritt got point that the county.
All over this country right now and so
I'm interested to see what the district commissioners take is
on this but
I think
you know it's a changing dynamics in this whole Jen are
that we need to be paying attention to.
Commissioner dallari thank you.
>> First a question for staff. They said 6 stories his staff
reviewed that and do we have the capacity of a fire
standpoint.
Let's got to answer.
Madam chair. To kind of sorry could you restate the question
survey
in a presentation they talked about 6 potential the 6 story
building.
Do we have any issues when it comes to the fire even those
close to a fire station with going 6 stories.
We did not receive any comments from fire station any concerns
that we talk about 6 stories to the fire Department.
I did not specifically state the question that way to then
the development order does state there's a cap.
To the east and to the point about the height restrictions,
there is a 5 story height restriction to the West 200
feet from the Western property boundary, 200 feet East.
There's a height restriction, 5 feet that's basically the one
of us to do.
But
any residential development to the west to the east would
actually be capped at 6 stories but to answer your question no,
I did not state that question to fire we can certainly follow
up on that, but it wasn't something that fire safety
raised as an issue so psyched yes exactly yeah. That's.
>> So just to clarify fire is part of the DRC review process
if they did review the master development plan so they are
aware of the propose tight,
I'm only asking the question.
>> I'm not telling you would it end.
>> And I think the applicant has some additional information
because they have had some discussion to fire.
>> Yeah, we actually all that and the original concept plan
was an eight-story products of 210 feet just what is currently
allowable so we have already addressed that discuss that
with fire.
And commissioner Constantine I I hear exactly what you're
saying and
you know one of the dynamics of Central Florida's rents really
have been escalating pretty substantially. All across the
country but particularly here
and when when we look at historical data there's a lot
of statistics around this that additional units is actually
the best consideration to alleviate the supply
constrained that is the market driving force that drives up
front. So I do think that ultimately additional units are
going to support whether that's to 50 or up to our existing use
it and just to clarify the economic outcome of a 4 story
product, a stronger than the 6 story worthy other products in
all actuality that's probably where this is going to go.
It's my duty to my partners and to this community for us to
exercise all thresholds of what this project is going to be you
know really glad you brought up taxpayers as well because this
existing
tax base is about half if not a 3rd of what the tax base would
be on a multi family project anywhere from 250 to that 390
so I think about being a taxpayer in this community.
I'd rather see a higher a tax
property tax coming out of this parcel that in the lower which
is the configuration and just to highlight we actually do
have a demand to sell out. Those 3 parcels we actually
just sell the parcels out. There's a lot of them and
actually because all the new highway 400 and just a touch
on. The live local. So it's actually qualified on what the
PD is and so the PD of are you know requests is actually 55
units so across the street under the have T I 50 in a city
acre. So the total configuration of what this PD
is going to go to is roughly 55 units to the acre so it's just
a marginal 85 just to clarify that. I'd suggest Council to
Madame chair.
I respect all peoples rights to speak.
>> The applicant. I appreciate what you said, but you know we
closed public hearing. And it's not the public is the
applicant. And indeed he is answering questions committee
is debating me basically all I'm saying is Sir,
although due respect even
our own folks which I disagree with because I think your
project it's 85 units they're saying it's 65 6, 8, 55 is
incorrect, it's 65 at the at the worst case in air at the
best case scenario. And I I don't I don't I'm not trying to
get in of. You know, he said she said. But I live local
anybody can use APD to get to 85 or 65 units in acre so with
all due respect you and I agree to disagree.
>> All right, thank you very much Mister weidmann if any
other commissioners have any questions I believe you're
brought up here because you you were helping to answer a
question that was asked prior and if we have any other
questions will bring you up. Commissioner dallari was still
asking questions.
>> Thank you, madam chairman I do appreciate
people getting into the details that they are because I think
it's important that we look at everything
comprehensively
I guess the question goes to the doctor Rebecca, so on the
the actual site plan. Even though it's not part of this
project lot one was to 90 and my 2, 3, is 3.90 correct.
Looking at the notion that you're giving us yes and that
is actually going to pay
table that shows that density.
>> For lot one
when using its APD and so we calculate the density across
the whole plan development so is 12.2 acres of calculating
the potential 680 units across the 12.2 acres, it's 55
dwelling units per acre. But if you you know I think
getting to commissioner Constantine's but when you
break down and look at the individual lots and you think
factor out only acres that have that live in the density
obviously does increase but
the development order cast the overall density at 5620 units
per acre that takes in the entire site area of 12.2 acres.
I don't know if that answers your question. Sir.
>> It does mean basically
because the Deo Basin goes to 56 year averaging across all
the different lots that are on the property, even though the
existing 1, 8, 1, 1st lot was 45 now they're adding
additional what you meant lots 2, 3, they go up to 55 or 65,
which is going to be the average of 55.
That's what you're showing us correct. Yes, Sir.
>> And they're not taking up the prospect of a city
commissioner dallari has the flag I understand and they're
not taking up the property is going to be used for
commercial.
As polls show Hunter team down the stairs, Larry house,
the floor commissioner, I just want you to understand that.
>> Originally the square footage of the retail was
considerably higher than the 5,000 that are actually Deo is
saying is that correct. I'm sorry could you repeat the
question so originally when they came in here.
I remember how many weeks back but several weeks back
square footage of retail
was significantly higher than the 5,000 square feet correct.
>> That is correct. I mean the entitlement goes up to 55,000
square feet for the restaurant and retail combined.
On the last time that we were before you on the 22nd of
August. We have presented.
>> A higher minimum of.
>> 20,000 square feet today you see that number is 5,000.
So they're they have requested a reduction I and the applicant
did speak to that that he hopes there's one market than 5,000.
If I may take the Liberty here with the question of we do have
a condition that states that if there's ground floor retail
that cannot be calculated in the density for the
residential, so they if it's a if they're stacking of the
buildings and there's residential above the
retail
Jay can count that that does not count against your density
but if they decide to do.
The ground floor retail out any residential above that area has
to be taken out of the density calculation so potential that
could impact and that would change the numbers that I get
to do that before you.
>> Well the statement I want to make and then we can move on is
that when international drive was originally planned it was a
definite plan for the future.
It was 20 plus years ago.
None of us was here at that time when international Parkway
was actually planned. I don't know the exact time frame when
it was planned, but it was more than 20 years ago.
They're planning for the future.
What needs to happen, you know easy to plan for the future,
you know if you always have to look at what is today's market
going to establish then into National Park, we wouldn't have
been built.
Yeah because it was built for the future may be that the
market may have not driven it. And it was over time that the
market caught up to it. And I think that some of the numbers
that we're looking at here by reducing the office retail
restaurant, retail and increasing density
we're only going for today, we're not looking for the
future and those are my concerns I just think that it's
a little bit too dense.
>> So I appreciate all the input that I do want to
clarify. A couple of things so it's been stated that there's
been no removal of anything in exchange for this.
And I'm reading in the document, the proposed 380 new
family multifamily units would be in place over 200 key hotel,
set accurate some saying yes from staff
and 80,000 square feet of Class A office space.
So there, they're not retaining all of the original provisions
in the PD
they are however retaining flexibility that if we can get
more retail and office in they're in.
What today's market standards that
that flexibility be granted.
I am
it is a total of 55, let's call it 56 to be fair that is the
density for the overall piece of property, it's not 85 for
the record.
And I appreciate the
the desire to keep his tee I in that corridor and I think that
is critical that ship sailed prior to me getting here with
this P parcel is PD
and I actually think that this
development
we'll support hip te eye on the undeveloped parcels that
surround this area
and quite frankly.
My kids want to while on that corner. That is right for
drive-thrus it's right for people coming out of the court
out off of the highway and zipping through
and drop and $0.32 of tax dollars on their fast food and
getting back on the highway and that's not what we want there.
I'm also not excited about of
sort of class too hotel that would be on that property
either.
I don't think that necessarily adds to this community.
So I actually am in support of it and I realize that I'm going
to get absolutely skinned alive and I know who I'm going to get
skinned alive by because he's already come to my office and
talk to me. But the reality is this is that in order to
facilitate what we want to happen in that corridor and in
order to condense the multi-family into one location,
this is the best use of this property.
I think this will make a better I I appreciate the term gateway
to the community because I think that's the goal but I
have to tell you when you come back with plans. It tag.
I had to clean that up to date on better meet that standard
because that's what's been committed. I think we have to
be respectful to the neighbors. I I don't get that intrigued by
this trail thing you guys all know that's all need some
guidance from you all about where to put a parking lot next
to the trail. But I do think this is the best use. What do
the citizens get out of this they get
more
supply which will lower the cost of housing in this
community for us to force.
Affordable housing doesn't solve the problem, it solves
the problem of creating additional lists for people to
get into affordable housing, it creates the problem 20 years
from now when those entitlements come off of the
properties. What this does is change the marketplace in the
community. And it also generates attack space the pace
for the impact infrastructure, when some of the other uses for
this property simply will not they'll be a drain to the
current citizens in the community.
And I'm also going on the record say that the insinuation
is insulting that
any of us up here looking out for the developers as opposed
to the citizens of this community with that I'll move
for approval as presented second.
>> So motion by commissioner her there's a second by
commissioner zembower I did have some questions
I'll just add that to the note of offensiveness I don't think
any of us or hoodwinked
I will ask staff under discussion. Either Mister
Robinson or miss hammock
because I think it is important that we address the workforce
housing issue because I think it's been it's been stated a
couple of different times.
The what my understanding is that the workforce, how this
development is already at the workforce housing price point
is that.
Yes, that's correct. So.
>> With the research that staff did when we compare the price
point that a 140% am I that we received from community
services with a market rate apartments in the same area.
They were already then price 0.440 per se my is the same as
market rate and I believe the applicants research
>> confirm confirm that yes, okay so we're not we're not
giving up for workforce, housing price point units by
not making them go through the workforce housing process.
They're already at that price point correct okay.
Rice staff recommending approval of this project.
>> Well in this case and because the future land use was
already amended to PD it no longer falls under the
requirements of the hit he I future land use designation and
so based on compatibility inconsistency we believe that
the propose uses are compatible and consistent with the
existing developments in the area that had retained him to
die future land use designation then we would have been able to
enforce a more non residential uses. But it's not
inconsistent. With the comprehensive plan and also it
is in our urban core areas within our even our mobility
core area and if you recall that is one of the areas that
we're looking at even, I'm proposing higher densities
through the year based amendments in certain cases and
so because of the existing infrastructure and the location
to transit Van into the highway system we think it's a proper
location for a mother family residential.
>> And because the live local act will be something that we
will be talking about for some time to come at least until
this next legislative session that may or may not be tinkered
with
is it staffs
intention to play defense with zonings going forward in
response to that act
because that I'm trying to figure out if what if every
decision we make is in response to something that may happen
because of live local is that something that staff is
considering moving forward looking at Pratt future
rezonings.
>> No it's not done with the live local my understanding I
actually went to a couple of sessions regarding at the
conference is that earlier in the month and currently the PD
question isn't resolved. They're saying some some
attorneys are saying yes, you have to go you would have to
allow the maximum density that you allow with any plan
development within your community, some jurisdictions
their attorneys are saying no that's not the case and of
course the the legislation doesn't specify so that may be
resolved in the next legislative session and maybe
result or case law have to see. But if I think I'm in this case
if we were to say OK any commercial industrial PD
whatever and that would allow live local in this case,
the PD specifically says the highest since the last 56
strong units per acre. So if we had another project if we don't
live local project come in and we would say your maximum in
the county's 56 wrong units per acre.
>> Okay thank you very much appreciate your answering the
questions I did. Take note this morning commissioners and we
had our presentation from Mister mcintyre when he was
talking about looking at the safety of certain banks,
one of his comments was. They looked at the the real
estate exposure a commercial and office real estate exposure
in terms of of banks viability that was noted definitely has
an increased risk so that was what I will take with had from
this morning's briefing. So have a motion and a second
any other questions.
All those in favor say aye aye I any opposed has motion passes
3 to 2.
Next
item on the agenda.
Is the county attorney's report said yes.
Thank you have a quick report for you wanted to let you know
the county Attorney's Office has retained the shot off to
assist the county.
>> And exploring its options with regard to the P Foss
class-action lawsuit and currently staff is coordinating
with shots on tests that have already been performed on the
county's water supply and exploring whether we have
claims and we're going to whether you opt in to the
lawsuit. So if you have any questions would be happy to
discuss that with you and further detail.
Any questions the county attorney.
County managers are just a couple items.
>> The first one are purchasing context division was just of
awarded make sure I get this correct the achievement of
excellence in procurement award as their 22nd year of receiving
this award.
So anyway just wanted to misread her and her team to
congratulate them an opportunity back in the future,
a future meeting and we're also just notified regarding the
public hearing for the Yarborough properties, you know
that was postponed due to hurricane that went to a couple
weeks ago a potentially hurricane went through a couple
weeks ago. So that is on on October the 5th. We don't have
the time or location yet, but I just want to put it on your
radars will be communicating with your offices as soon as
they get a hold of us and this was the public hearing to hear
from the public regarding the Florida forever applications I
think there's a couple that's going to be heard that night
before it goes up to Tallahassee
that's all I have a great thank you.
>> And district commissioner reports starting with district
5.
So on September 15th, the county participated in national
online learning day and I don't know if you all saw this,
but they shared a
HR shared the results of that.
I thought it was rather remarkable. So I wanted to
congratulate the HR team and anyone on our team that
actually participated there was.
If you watch and learns and some of them were rather absorb
a little nugget so I always appreciate when information is
delivered in a very concise fashion so that you can
actually absorb it as opposed to trying to set for 2 hours
that is just not how people learn anymore.
So I appreciate us being on the front end of that.
I did share with your offices via Brenda.
The outcome of the CFX briefing. On the 4.17 for 29,
we are moving closer to flex lanes this is the first in the
state and basically what this is is creating a shoulder that
can be used initially to be used for accidents only but it
eventually will be used to accommodate traffic flow in
peak times so there are other parts of the country that have
done this for years and years the bridge is up in the
Northeast do it where they turn the lights off and on everybody
getting out of the city and everybody coming into the city.
But this is using this to the shoulder to do that it will be
dynamically controlled through signage and I thought it was
worth sharing.
On September 9th. I took put took part in the throwing of
dirt for fire station.
39, so congratulations to our team from progressing not
along.
And unfortunately on September 22nd, I had the opportunity to
visit animal control and I just wanted to give a shout out to
the team there for the work that they're doing with regard
to the most recent situation
which is certainly.
Now the second my short time here that we've had a pretty
horrible situation with
treatment of animals in our community. I will let you know
that I have asked the team to not only research what it is
that we can do to certainly serve those new residents of
animal services. That's already being done but what is it that
we can do as a board to help us avoid this in the future how do
we get in front of this even more than we are now. And so
that team is diligently working on that.
I delivered a
bunch of stuff for the new residents as well as of.
I shouldn't say this out loud given my focus on wellness
there were some apples and oranges in there for just to
defend myself, but there's a lot of junk food in there
because I'm a stress eater and this was a stressful situation
and that was my way of showing empathy
and it was amazing to watch and I was super uncomfortable being
there because I was just simply in their way, but it was a well
oiled machine putting together all of the parts and pieces for
all of the work that's about to be done with regard to that so
I appreciate all the folks on that team and I hope we never
have to do that again and that concludes my report moving to
district one. Thank you madam chair.
>> There was an issue of Iona Lockwood road
between Oviedo in
ucf
regarding a stress crack we need to reclaim water line.
County staff to work diligently on that and it was completed
this past Friday, so.
Mister great if you could inform your staff that they did
a phenomenal job, not just in.
We place in the line it was also I mentioned trafficking
expectations. So I've heard a lot of good things from the
community regarding that.
Also some meetings with sunrail
regarding the transition proposal. And I'd like to ask
all of you to meet with staff.
Mister poaching Park as well as Mister John dredge.
So they can
brief you on the proposed a transition plan. I've not seen
no plan yet, I'm not fully been briefed, but I know it's coming
and they have to be some decisions to be made in
upcoming months. And so in order to get out in front of
it.
I think it behooves him for all reached.
And I think that would be have to have a change to do that.
Also last week on the September 19th a public works.
A community meeting a public input meeting on slide, your
own extension from for 26 to 4.34.
I thought there was some issues with that and
please be brief
from the staff perspective on that.
I think that the I was there as well as commissions and out
a hearing from the public and to be at least
anywhere from 14060 people there.
Your issue people came out.
Away from that meeting satisfied or
we believe that they were informed I think the more
confusion.
Then they were
satisfied with the information that was a
McCain in fact
one phone call and your lunch, one resident
was telling me that visitation showed us they believe that was
well usually complete it was a candid video and they're hoping
that we have another meeting soon.
They want to have some open conversation with staff even
though they have the boards.
Staff are standing by the boards a community feel very
frustrated from that perspective.
They like to actually have dialogue.
I want to thank commissioner zembower from being there and
he was involved talking to many residents as well.
I'm on the phone constantly.
Since that meeting
and there's a lot of people upset over it and trying to
understand as well as myself,
you know, which traffic coming from was going to
I think it's too premature that that meeting
but be increased as well from the consultants haven't gotten
all the information from that written comments that people
can read e
in that public input hope they can get that next week
as was out to make sure that the simulated to all of you as
well.
Over a 100 people there you can imagine all the input concept
people have to fill out or filled out.
And that has to be deciphered and categorized. So I'm looking
for more information I just think that the meeting was too
premature and that
stay tuned.
And my report.
District 2.
Why districts always perfect everybody so happy.
>> Well I I do tend to solve the road. A community meeting
and
there was a lot of people there was well attended there's a lot
of questions I think
between commissioner dallari myself and staff were trying to
get some of those answers. I think there's more answers.
We put out there if I had one recommendation on that would be
that
and I don't want our staff to take this wall it's
from an engineering perspective. I think
what was conveyed is appropriate, but I think
putting the context of layman's terms on what this really means
is better serving the community and understanding.
This is just a
possibility this is not necessarily happening. And then
how long it happens to take before we return the first
piece of dirt. A lot of folks felt this was
going to happen like next year we will start turning dirt and
know this if you believe it's happening this year want to
understand.
I do appreciate staff time out they also want to thank.
Staff are coming out and helping us with the Whitman,
what comer code issue. As as John and his group were out
there and trying to facilitate you know this Wickham road
being raised for the flooding issues and so forth whether we
ever get there or not
I think we've we've done the best job we can
trying to convince
the local residents
for them to help us help them, which means we need right away
we need these months across their property and and I think
last count we've got
somewhere around a dozen that have not committed to do that
yet which is
heartbreaking for the ones that have committed to do it.
But as we've told them in the meeting that we will not
proceed if we can get the right away and there's some other
challenges there so want to thank staff let well tended I
appreciate staff coming to the to the far reaches of this
County, almost up to the heart cavity quite frankly
and coming up there. Also like to school. Lake how had a great
Lake. Activity this past weekend. I know commissioner
glory believe you attend that I was not able to make it because
of prior commitments when 89 volunteers planted 2,336 native
plants in the lake. It's like a school in the lake how and I
appreciate all those people coming down the pre she
commissioner dallari being over make it in my absence.
Also want to bring everybody up to speed on. Orlando Sanford
International Airport.
There was a meeting that was call an emergency meeting
approximately week and a half ago.
The board meeting unanimously the board decided to terminate
the contract agreement with West Side that will be
effective February 28th of 24 and basically what that means
is the airport will be taking over all those duties as a
transition towards February 28th. The board has given
instruction to look at some additional consultants perhaps
and so that's all involving situation, but West Side has
been notified, they intend to terminate
and the 28th of November outside of that that's all I
have I'm sure thank you very much. District 3.
Thank you madam chair.
>> On a September 15 does someone that all of us.
My respect to Katie Moncrief
who have I don't want to make this wrong. But I think she's a
97 now received numerous awards for lifetime achievements.
Both from Seminole County as well as statewide and also on
the 22nd.
I tended the brightline grand opening which I think
it it it's an amazing I thought now that we're have the
highest or second high-speed rail in the United States.
And that was the first actual group that came from a Miami 2
Orlando. The interesting thing is those that were going from
Orlando to Miami on the other train.
Very excited to see that there was a free food, an open bar is
they want.
>> Has it was the first one. I said they they were very
happy. One to 26 tomorrow. The Florida wildlife corridor
which is you know one group as part of the whole thing it's
going to help us potentially in getting some of the land with
Florida forever and Seminole forever is having a conference
I believe it started today and it will go through Thursday.
But at their number of fun, speakers and everything it out
of the crib boreout
and as I said is is something that he's really been embraced
by the Legislature as far as a complement to the Florida
forever program and is you know connecting the wildlife
corridors also tomorrow.
Attorney general Ashley Moody has has set up the first
meeting of the statewide opioid abatement Council she called
for Tenet's starting at 2 o'clock it will be by soon.
So I'm very excited to get
moving in and on the statewide opiate abatement Council
September 30th are very good friend,
who has been here numerous times father John blew it.
As and his pant waist cares having the Super Bowl suffer
at.
Saint Mary Magdalen if anybody wishes to go and also, you know
just turned 85.
I I did hear that to turn to I did hear that a unit looking
great. And also go that far.
Also on October 7. Is the first of the 2 Saturday state are
very favorite German American society is having their
Oktoberfest in a
yeah, you know I think it's in Casselberry but it's it's right
between out a month long live the cows very early on. For you
really don't know where where exactly it is but you know that
you come upon it looks like it's a chalet
but it will be a it's always. Well attended and a lot of fun.
And it has come to my attention both from staff as well as some
citizens and this is just something I would ask the
commission to indulge in that there is so many of you recall
know about a spring Valley. It's one of our more mature
communities.
Had a bright past not the marriage bridal past but the
horse bridal Pat that even my cousin used to write her horses
back then but there's a number of people that have already
built into that. He's made a number of people that are
actually asking to use that the easement the staff indicates
that and then it would be much simpler if we did it all at one
time.
And so I'm not asking for approval on asking for us to
give the staff direction to allow them to look into the
possibility of vacating that bridal Pathe and coming back to
us with their recommendation that that's OK with you
first of heard of it, I'm aware of the question and I'm just
looking to come out. I don't have a problem you talked
about.
I don't have a problem with staff looking into it.
>> I don't know it may have some value from a drainage
perspective, I don't know grant a variance should weigh in as
well I do I do a full staff review of it bring it bring it
back that's all I'm asking is for
and with that I have nothing else thank you.
>> A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to spend some
time with Richard sweat and his team at dot da small. Richard
is the new chairman for
workforce central Florida. It's not right for Central
Florida, anymore. It's careersource had some some
great dialogue. Spent time with Nick Abrahams was also there
for the up and of course we all know Robert you see was there,
I'm going to a Coast Guard was also present talking about the
work that that if you have never been to dot da small it's
an incredible
homegrown business where they create moles that help
physicians target radiation therapy for cancer patients,
and they are doing such incredible work that they can
at doctor can literally Sen. The specifics of the tumor and
the place in the body and Richard and his team can build
within 24 hour turnaround the model of the device that needs
to be built to wrap this person's arm torso head.
To direct the radiation to that tumor and have it in that
doctors hands so that patient can start treatment within 24
hours. Coming right here out of little Seminole County and
they're making such an incredible impact all over the
world. And of course with his
the volunteer capacity.
That's going to say what Hurst you source could night about a
block. If there is a getting better by the way. Here there
is a real need for the development of a workforce.
I think that's why could go into work force and the
opportunities that we have in Seminole County with our
partnerships with the college and partnership with ucf and
Seminole state other regional partners and I think we're
really heading toward an opportunity to have a good
convening if you will with his leadership so I put that on
your radar to be looking for something like that coming down
the pike
also have a an opportunity to get reacquainted with Rosenwald
I think our team has done some additional work with their then
some us some pivot if you will on some of the work out there
and so I would ask if your team Mister gray could work with
scheduling a time that would be appropriate to bring everybody
up to speed and all of the different partners had a great
conversation with another of a philanthropist in the
community, any of you may have to follow professional
basketball in the main Anfernee Simons his he was racing this
community is mother is from East Altamonte and they have a
a deep desire to be a of a benefactor
of the that's the Rosemont project in some way shape or
form so we're starting to get some really good traction with
folks in the private sector from a philanthropic viewpoint
to see the good things that are scheduled to happen in ever as
a model
want to say too happy birthdays
Kate what or had a birthday and commissioner her had a birthday
September birthdays what does that make you what are you.
I don't believe room always balancing the masses. I know
very little about that stuff but I hear it's importance I
got
the first meeting of our charter review Commission will
be on October 5th at 6, I will be here to welcome everyone and
say thank you so much for their willingness to participate in
that process on the 3rd, I will be. Hosting commissioner Mike
Scott from Orange County on a tour of our juvenile assessment
center. He and his team and if you're familiar with
commissioner Scott that he has a background and passion for
juvenile. Services and when we started talking at a recent
fact conference about our new Jack I'll we need to need to
see that so our team along with the sheriff. It's going to be
hosting some folks from their team. So we're going to
hopefully put put on a good roll out the red carpet for our
friends in Orange County.
And then one more thing I want to say which is kind of sad but
I have to I have to bring it up is that today as Mary Moscowitz
is last for the county commissioners meeting many of
you know that Mary has been given and a job opportunity
that she just cannot refuse
requires that she leave us family and leave the state is
that right. So we're going to miss you tremendously we wish
you and your family safe travels godspeed fun exciting.
Times ahead for you but you're going to be best.
And that is all I have for for these items we have a budget
public hearing tonight just to remind everybody before we talk
about public comment. We have anyone here that's where the
request of public comment. I didn't see very many and will
your faces in the crowd size and that there are no there was
no member of the public here who wish to speak unless
someone has had a burning desire. And the last 30
seconds, madam chair. If you can indulge me on yes.
>> I'd like to follow up a little bit on a commission to
lorries mention of the sunrail transition proposal.
>> My yes and I knew that was coming and I had to step
outside scientists that that briefing please say aye.
>> As as part of that as you know the transition is that dot
will transition and out of the operating procedures and turn
it over to the CFC or C
proposal on the table it would be
links or an agency like links would then become the operator
on behalf of the CFC RC a new proposal has become Bob where
that.
There's a lot of moving parts and lots of layers to the onion
so rather than just to a straight transition agreement
like that to have an interim period agreement where once the
transition occurs for the financial responsibility and
the decision-making responsibility going all to the
sea of CRC dot would continue as the operating entity as it
slowly over a period of 2 to 3 years transition, the operating
requirements to links for the agency like leaks. That's a new
concept, something that hasn't been presented to us before.
I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of it and that
we as staff can continue to explore that item in depth with
dot with links and with the other local government partners
to try and bring that to fruition.
>> And then ask a question because I am so sorry
commissioner I miss that
is there a reason why this 3rd option has been presented is
there something that wasn't acceptable with option. One 2
that we felt that an option 3 was necessary to bring forward.
>> I think the option is still the same the transition will go
from dot.
To the CSRC will then hire an operating agent has an agency
and again links is the obvious choice right now, but again
it's not final until we all approved operating agreement
with them. But as far as the details of moving all of the
hundreds of contracts from dot
2 links. Part of that should be done on a more transitional
basis on an interim basis as opposed to tossing the keys on
whatever data does that say here you go boys.
>> All right another way to describe it is that it's a very
complex project. Yes, it is very complex agreement,
correct and it was talked about trying to stage it.
So that would be easily year.
Maintained and managed.
But none of the items that changing its just aging and
correct.
>> So that's where we're not we're not conceding anything by
doing this all of the issues that are outstanding issues
still have to be resolved. That's the part that needs to
be stressed, yes.
>> And madam chair, if I could add so you may have been out
when we need a win commissioner dallari is given this case he
had asked staff that if we would brief each of you on this
proposal for we actually have a meeting coming up set up so we
can get more information on it and then we're going to be
brief each of your offices and then bring it back to the board
okay.
OK thank you something.
>> Any other questions for Mister ship operating on the
side of the okay.
If there is no one else nothing else to come for the board will
be in recess until 5.30 and will reconvene for our by now
final public budget public hearing this all right. Thank
you all so much.