>> The,
>> we go to
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>> and everyone thank you again for being here we're going to
reconvene the Board of County commissioners meeting this
afternoon 5 public hearing agenda.
There's a motion to accept prove publication. Second is a
motion by. If this is the thing we do like every time and so
he's going to be to do it. A motion by commissioner
dallari second by commissioner zembower all those in favor say
aye any opposed motion passes unanimously.
We do appreciate so much. The fact that so many of you
from the public are here this afternoon. I'm going to read
through our rules of procedure for public hearings and these
are all caused by judicial.
So the way that we're going to move forward is that there.
The board will
staff we do this every time staff is going to present the
item that is up on the agenda. And the board will have an
opportunity to ask questions of staff once that presentation
has completed will have an opportunity to ask questions.
Members of the public and then the applicant will have an
opportunity to make a presentation and the board will
have a chance to ask questions once the presenter has finished
members of the public who are interested in speaking. There's
a yellow form that was out in the lobby, if you intend to
speak I'd like you to please go ahead and fill out that form
now and provided to MS. Cans. So that we kind of have an idea
of how many members of the public would like to speak if
you don't want to speak, but you would like the board to
have your comments there's a green form in the lobby that
you can complete and we will pass it down and I so that each
one of us has an opportunity to be aware of your input and
comments, we know sometimes I'm not everyone wants to to speak
publicly at these meetings if you do decide to speak you'll
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and whether you are for or against the item speakers will
be given 3 minutes to speak unless they are the official
spokesperson for an H.O.A. or legally organized group and
then they will be given 6 minutes and that is in lieu of
the other members of your organization speaking
as a board member has questions regarding the speaker's
comments an opportunity will be given once the speakers time
has completed in accordance with the operating policies and
procedures of the Seminole County Board of County
commissioners section 2.1 7, 5, public participation before the
board. Speaker should limit their comments to the subject
being considered by the board all public comments show avoid
personal attacks are abusive language and redundancy
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disruptive behavior may subject to the individual to removal
from the board chambers, the chairman may curtail
repetitious comments the clerk's office who is here
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board prepared to leave it with the clerk before you go.
Once all speakers are heard the applicant will have an
opportunity for rebuttal if necessary I will then close the
public hearing and put the matter in the hands of the
commission for a vote following a motion in the second and the
board discussion of that will be taken and any commissioners
who do not pass an objecting vote will be consider to voted
in favor of the in support of the motion.
I mentioned earlier that we deserve it was I do to show
hearings this afternoon and we have some special rules that
pertain to quasi judicial public hearing and so while the
board welcomes comments from all persons with an interest in
those proceedings, Florida law does require that the board's
decision in a quasi judicial action be supported by
competent substantial evidence presented to the board during
the hearing on the application.
Competent substantial evidence such evidence has a reasonable
mind would accept is adequate to support a conclusion.
There must be a factual basis in the record to support
opinion testimony from both expert and non expert witnesses
persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information
that they percent that is presented by County staff
that the applicant present on factual information included in
the county staff report to support your testimony all
persons to present written materials to the board for
consideration must assure that a copy of the materials
provided to the clerk for inclusion in the board's
official proceeding minute
has any commissioner received any oral or written
communication regarding the cause additional items if so
please disclose them. Now, madam chair mind I have and I
have some of them electronically to the clerk of
the courts, fantastic to do.
>> Madam chair appreciate various phone calls e-mails and
meetings of this meeting that here today.
>> To see various e-mails phone calls and meetings and have
submitted electronically previously. Okay, I have ex
parte communication on items
1920 I have no ex parte on 18.
21 for 20 to 23 and those were submitted electronically and
that will support us and them down the diocese. Well.
All right.
The first item where there are there any I we want to talk
about this if there are any items that were being continued
by staff.
We want to do we want to address that before we
I it.
>> Good question. Yes, actually it was a continuance by the the
applicant and I can have
Mary my coat come up and explain that's item number 21
and we can handle that right now.
>> I think it would be good in case, there's anyone here that
is waiting for 21 to come and then that way you won't be
surprised when 21 comes. Good afternoon for the record
Mary Moss whats planning manager. The Palin has asked
for the continuance of item 21 to give them time to apply for
ferries based on that request, we're recommending that this
item B continue to the December 12th, a meeting and that would
give them sufficient time to go through that variance process
okay so anyone who is here on item 21 that will be taking up
a request to continue later on, but we are going to be 18.
And that is going to be presented by. Liz Parkhurst is
a project manager.
>> Good afternoon for the record let's Parker's building
division item number 18 is request for an order to be
imposed to clear it in an occupied structure in pool
located at 1655.
The eve Williamson road I would public nuisance and require
corrective action to be taken by the record property owners
on May 23rd 23 and amended on 8/8/2023. The board issued a
notice of determination of public nuisance for the
unoccupied structure of cool this notice ordered that the
structure poll be repaired or rebuilt in compliance with the
Florida building code we're being invaded through
demolition.
To date.
To date no corrective action has been taken and there
continues to be a steady decline in the condition of the
property.
The purpose of this public hearing is to provide the
record property owners, the opportunity to appear before
the board the statewide the structure of this not create a
public nuisance and why the property should not be abated
pursuant to chapter one 68 Seminole County code notice of
this hearing is required to be served on the record property
owners on 8/11/2023 the Seminole County Sheriff's
office was able to serve the summons a notice of
determination. One of the record property owners dust and
Egypt.
As the remaining owners were not served the notice of
determination was published in the Orlando Sentinel for 4
consecutive weeks leading up to this hearing.
Since 2014 16 code violations, code enforcement violations
were cited for this property, including
unsecured pools, stagnant pool water and cultivated vegetation
remains rubble of a structure trash and debris of the cited
violations, 13 work for the unsecured pool. So it's 2019
the planning division, a side of the property owners 5 times
for the obscure poll on the vacant property, the last one
was on 9/6/2023.
As the property owners corrected the side by side of
violations within the set deadlines. All of these open
cases were closed.
But staff is recommending that the board issued an order
declaring an occupied structure and cool a public nuisance and
require corrective action to be taken by October 1220 23.
In the event that the record property owners do not take
corrective action by October, 1220 23 is further recommended
that the board direct staff to the Bay, the public a sense.
The building official Bob hike is available for any questions
that concludes my presentation, thank you so much Parkhurst.
>> Is the property owner present our replica
representative Acadiana presentation you would like to
make or anything like that.
>> Good afternoon board member says Francis and we have Dustin
dimmer the property owner.
As the board heard. There have been 16 different violations
and all that taken care of by my client.
Every single time the code enforcement officers have come
out there they have complied with it unfortunately hurricane
Ian caused quite a bit of damage to the building on the
property is not insured he's applied to FEMA for relief and
he did not receive any kind of relief on the mound to knock
down the building.
The cost of removing the structure just the structure
itself. The estimates between 60 $80,000 to remove.
We heard now that the county would like the with the field
and as you saw from the aerial it is in an Olympic size pool.
The number of Cubans 14 to fill in something like that well I
think that what you see here is that it doesn't get it's
875,000 gallons is a large large pool. The cost of the
cubic feet of of cement, our senior dirt meetings that would
be
north of a $100,000.
The simple fact is it's extremely expensive to do that.
We're looking to take down the building. There's no denying
that the building is damaged beyond repair. The buildup or
itself, however, has an 80 foot pool which has
correct me if I'm wrong exceed what the county requires as far
as securing the pool and leave the co 2 partners offense to be
6, 6, feet high that hasn't been for the last fence around
it. The reason who keeps getting earlier and up is
because somebody goes and cleans out the vegetation in
their homes to pull out sometimes a lock as a reset
so
the owner is doing what it can do what he can do it's
basically a very expensive property to maintain was no
income coming in from the property to help of a that
we're in the process of getting courts to take down the
building.
We agree that the building needs to come down we just need
more time.
Any questions.
>> Well just be very honest with you unfortunately, this
building is in my traffic pattern and therefore I would
ask the question this has been going on for
at least a decade.
Yes, so us granting you another 60 days would accomplish what.
I'm I'm just confused by the request in general.
>> The the the property has been for sale the profit COLUMN
and I don't think there's there's weight is to put this
up on the screen.
Was America first.
Well this is there is a diagonal easement court across
the property.
This is made selling this property next to impossible
that easement is 4 cell tower that sits next to I 4
that cell tower is owned by 18 team, but it's managed by
2 different sub companies that have been
incredibly difficult to deal with to say the least if it
wasn't for this.
We were so this property a long time ago.
We're now basically trying to evict tell tower to get their
attention to basically get them to reconfigure the easement to
come down the property line come across and come down in
the over to the self.
That's the only remedy for selling the property, otherwise
it's 5 acres that's unusable.
There's no billed as matter of fact I believe the property
purchase or was going to be
present today, but basically there is a commitment and this
is this is an exception to the title that this easement is
creating incumbents across the property. So
the
traffic pattern of on this road will know that this the
property the building sits in the front of the building of
the property
and we agree that the property needs that needs to be taking
down it's just getting somebody to take on.
What is considered a relatively small job and they're basically
extorting the cost of being a small job that's making it so
expensive.
We think we have somebody lined up they can do it permits have
to be pulled to do the work and and that basically is how this
one the taking care of
filling the pool, however is an extremely expensive process.
This is a full built in the 70's
and is made with lots of concrete this is not a
residential pool, this is a large Olympic full.
That the builders excuse me the buyers would be
responsible for removing and now unfortunately, because of
the delayed because of this easement
he's now back on the shoulders of
the seller.
With very little we can you know chance of recuperating
that money from the sale of the property.
>> Commissioner Diaz, a follow-up question to answer in
a commissioner is hour and then July actually good.
>> So when I look at this and I understand hear what you're
saying. And this has been going on as commissioner hers and the
kid for
and close to a decade.
This easement right away.
The issue.
Obviously is existed this entire time, correct. So I'm
not buying that argument and if you want to sell the property
you should be able to sell wreak reach we can agree with
the with a viable buyer continue on these are being
moved whatever the case might be to him, but you know the
reality is I look at this and I see things and there were
obviously
people have gotten done some analyzing. When I see spray
paints sprayed on this escape quarantine I would assume that
was during covid and that's been a couple years.
Also associated.
Huge costs with demolition filling and swimming pools and
so forth. That is the responsibility of the property
owner and that that comes hand-in-hand with ownership.
So you know. District commissioner will I'm sure make
a recommendation but
I think this needs to be handled sooner rather than
later.
>> We don't disagree with you what we're saying is that that
there's 2 things that should commissions enter okay, if you
have a question will be happy to have the answer and
commissioner dallari thank you chair, and it's more to its
staff miss Parker.
Isn't is there to take care of this facility and this
property.
>> The daycare is over to the southwest corner of the
property. That's where the easement is going to take a lot
to say.
>> What I remember when I come here, I think the daycare's
right next to the cell tower correct. It's close to South
her yes but I believe it right next pretty close to it because
the infrastructure for the cell towers on the side of the
building for the day care if I'm not mistaken.
We believe that and so the property for the daycares that
don't buy this property owner, no Sir because to separate
them.
>> Commissioner Constantine and you have any questions for the
property owner know I've spent a lot of time this.
All right, we have any other questions will
we'll be happy to clean up.
>> Our question is is would be sufficient for the board to
consider we're moving the building but fencing in the
pool.
So that eventually we can sell the property subject to an
easement
and remove the the the nuisance of the building.
Securing it was the pool with a with an 8 foot fence.
>> I certainly appreciate you posing that question. But what
we're going to do is if you're done with your presentation you
have you have a seat, we'll have we'll hear from the public
and then if you would like to well, but any of the public
comments, you're welcome to do that at that time.
Wisconsin are there any members of the public who wish to
address this item. I've Troy Cox Gentlemen, you can have a
seat.
I'm sorry he wakes Mister Mister Cox was it okay, Mister
Rogers waives his opportunity to speak are there any other
people who wish to address this.
Any other any other members of the public who perhaps
neglected to fill out a form who would like to speak on this
item.
I'm not sure that you have any items that you need to read but
at this point. Commissioners commissioner, I would just like
get a
>> a report from Mister Pike on this particular thing if I
could I get I think that some of the concerns need to be put
on the public record.
>> And I will say Mister Pike I'm sorry before you answer
commissioner Constantine's question that will go ahead and
close the public hearing because there are no members of
the public who wish to speak.
Okay Mister R****, I'm sorry about paying your fishing
Seminole County.
Yes Sir, what's your question.
Well, I just said state public concerns about this this
property.
>> I see through the pictures you can see the building has
been damaged severely. The skin of the building has been blown
out.
It's a building where the structural members are still
intact.
The windows have been blown out not down. We've had
people go through and use that I guess for
I don't know if it's kids playing inside or whatever
they've done some damage and there's some graffiti is
commissioner zembower stated.
I can't believe the front doors have been broken down yet,
but first buildings have been boarded what has been posted
these unsafe, but the boys seem to continually keep to be
ripped off
where are people going and access it which isn't a
nuisance it's a danger for him
possible vagrants or chance to get in and commissioner,
a law reinstating there's a danger next or so.
There are concerns to the public with this building.
And it's been going on for quite a while
the building could technically be restored, but it's going to
be a lot of money. And of course you know the owner
saying that the demo with B expensive I
I would recommend getting estimates for that several
bids. I think that that constitutes probably high quite
a bit high.
The pool now is a
that is an Olympic size pool that would take a lot of food
if you were to take the pullout under them.
You could bust out the bottom of it and feel it in Western,
if you so choose,
we believe in and fenced in
and leave it to the next owner, but
that would be probably a mosquito pond at that point if
it's if you want to leave it.
In that state and currently is and you can see the water is
getting in want to miss a beat up on so
hopefully that answers your question.
>> Commissioners, I think my question is maybe more for
Rebecca.
The question was raised about
destroying the structure, leaving the pool and putting a
fence around it
with that and trade a nonconforming use on this
property.
If that were allowed to happen.
>> Technically it would be a nonconforming use because it
would no longer comply with the originally approved site plan.
If they were an issue they are trying to come to a guess
compromise and then then you know that is an option. But
like Bob said that could create its own.
>> Problems I just want to make sure that I felt that she
probably would be nonconforming use for this want to make sure
that would be the case.
No longer complies with the original video inside order and
the whole 9 yards. Correct yeah, okay, thank you nothing
else.
>> I just want for clarification purposes, Mister
Pike to ask you are suggesting that we approve a fence around
this pool. You are just suggest that that's a possibility.
The request on the table is to allow that to happen which was
being asked.
>> No I'm just saying by the pool co you would have to have
a defense to secure the pool, we can keep the public out.
If you so choose to leave the pool. There. That's not my
decision it's the boards.
The choices are if you take the building out leave the pool,
obviously it's an issue with the Sony and their
requirements, but
it's nothing to say you could leave the pool fence it in but
and it would take a lot of dirt to fill that. So that's quite a
bit of an expense.
I'm not suggesting anything I'm just saying that
Wilco one
security fence around it to keep it secure and if you're
going to leave it.
>> And that would be the same this is not a question. This is
a statement that would be the same fence that gets opened up
periodically in left open so just leave it at that that
wasn't a question.
>> Yeah, Mister gray would like to end just to be clear that is
not staff's recommendation staff recommends that, but I
was trying to get out there is to remove up.
And any other questions.
Any other comments.
Is there.
Well, I was just can see does he want to. But there is no
public comment to yeah, well then I think we all had one
form or another, you know
interaction with this particular property.
Commissioner said she drives by all the time I remember back to
you actually swimming in that swimming pool.
More more tickets ago.
>> And I don't think there's any question that not only is
this a nuisance but this is going on long enough and
especially as as commissioner, Gordon pointed out about the
School of being right next door you care most day care taker
excuse me. This is a health safety and welfare one problem
that needs to be ratified or or educated.
And unless it gets fixed.
>> Immediately, I think we need to take.
>> Action so I recommend for County commissioners adopt a
resolution issuing an order
to declare the existence of a public nuisance at 1655 e e
Williamson road long would require corrective action by
October, 1220 23 and authorize necessary corrective action by
the county in the event that the nuisance is not abated by
the record.
>> So there's there's a motion by commissioner Constantine
second by commissioner her any other discussion.
All those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously.
For item number 19.
The project managers any so this is the good core also in
commissioner Constantine's district.
Good afternoon and so ways senior planner development
services.
The applicant is requesting a rezone from cierran retail
commercial to PD plan development for the good core.
Alcohol beverage establishments that would allow package sales
of beer wine and liquor and to allow for minimal on-site
alcohol consumption, which would be limited to tastings
according to the applicant good for is a wine and spirits
retail marketplace that caters to a mindset of self society
and planned the good part is not just a typical one is Jared
shop. The good course outside the box concept is to donate a
portion of the profits from wine and spirits sales to a
charity of the customer's choice.
The subject property is see one
retail commercial and alcohol beverage establishments for
allowed an allowable use with a special exception approval.
Since there will be tastings on site say would be encroaching
into the required 1000 linear feet distance separation
requirement. From the first Baptist I'm in Iglesias
Christian church for non profit for on premise consumption.
The PD planned development zoning if approved by the board
would allow the 1000 linear feet separation requirement
from the church to allow for the alcohol beverage Beveridge
establishment,
which is permitted by special exception in the C one retail
commercial zoning district
for the Seminole County land development code measurements,
the site is located approximately 825 feet from the
nearest church, the shortest distance measurement from the
property line of the site and the church property is
approximately 220 feet due to a location of the existing
buildings, a person would not be able to access the site
along the shortest distance.
The applicant held a community meeting on April 8th, and no
one from the public attendance.
The planning and zoning Commission met on 8/2/2023 and
voted unanimously to recommend the Board of County
commissioners tonight request. For reasons for the good court.
The reason for the denial from the PNC commission was that the
commission made a finding that the applicant did not
demonstrate sufficient protection from potential
adverse impacts of limited on-site alcohol consumption
within a 1000 feet from a church
based on the findings made by the PNC commission the
applicant has revised the request and agreed to include
enhancements based on the crime prevention through
environmental design SEPTA
Biden landscape buffers around the North and West portion of
the site as well as around the building additional citing and
light poles will also be added to the building and around the
site.
Staff finds that the addition of landscape can say lighting
will be will provide the site with sufficient surveillance to
mitigate any potential adverse impacts
during the PNC beating the first Baptist Church to speak
out against the project due to the homeless community in
homeless camps in the area that would be drawn to the business
the applicant has provided a report from the Seminole County
Sheriff's office showing there are no homeless camps are
homeless people in the area. As well as an incident report
from 1/1/2022 to 7/31/2023 to show that no reports have been
called in on 2648 West state Road 4.34 the whole truth value
building.
Stephens request, planning and development zoning
classification to be consistent with the Seminole can County
land development code and Seminole County comprehensive
plan staff recommends Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a rezone from C one retail
commercial to PD plan development and associated
development order and master development plan, good for
alcohol beverage establishment. On approximately 0.7 8 acres
located on West state Road 4.34 costly. 2,860 feet west of
Montgomery Road and that concludes my presentation.
Thank you miss la any questions for miss, Illinois commissioner
zembower.
>> And my mind is is more of of
structure of the presentation.
The were not treating this any different than any other.
Alcohol sales facility are we.
In our in our consideration of meeting the code.
>> I don't I don't think so the only the only thing that we're
considering this encroachment 1000 foot separation sure okay,
I was just trying to questioning.
>> And the beginning talk about charity money is being given
for the first seeds and
and so that was something we were considering that part of
the codes and I'm assuming that's not we treat them just
like any other treating them just like anybody else okay,
great. Thank you. Yes. Any other questions for Mister
life.
I will call you back up we have a cake. Thank you is the
applicant here and do they wish to make a presentation. All
right please come forward.
You state your name and address for the record and then the
floor is yours.
>> My name is Ray Berle, a co-founder of the good for it.
And this is also managing partner with the good for thank
you for having us and it's such a good job covering our
concepts all kind of top of the few things but I certainly
recognize why we're here. You know this out this company
was started with the idea that being great means doing good.
I'm born and raised in Seminole County myself my parents still
live in Seminole County Mike also lives in Seminole County.
I would take away is that we want to create something far
bigger than ourselves of this team, but also something the
Seminole County braces you know our goal is to build the
largest vehicle mankind's of it had to give back you know this
was the idea of being of the hardest retail to help somebody
in need. And we'll talk more about that here shortly but for
us. We certainly understand why we're here today we understand
you know the gray cloud that comes with the industry but I
do hope that the takeaways today this that we're trying to
do something different something good and something
that you guys are very proud of the proud to have in your
backyard.
The concept we talked about yes, we all want to Spirit's
marketplace. But for us the big difference is being able to get
back on every transaction and what customers pay for those
priests proceeds go. We leave with purpose and people that's
that's our mission that's how this company was built. That's
what suppliers and brand and the neighborhood where we have
worked elsewhere, has rallied around it's just there's a lot
of heart and the purpose is genuine. And I think you'll see
from some wrecked car activation already that we've
been out in the market out in the community is helping so
many in the on everybody stay as you see we do let customers
know how much is going back and let them pick where goes.
But we all wanted spirits. We so many things in our store
wine and spirits is one piece of what we sell side everything
that we sell we want to create experiences that bring
customers and for many reasons other than wine and spirits.
So you'll see stationary coffee and flowers and all of those
it's a marketplace.
The good for us not discount liquor and neon signs it's up
it's an experience and for us we want to create something
that's positive. Every piece of messaging and marketing see
from our company it's going to be about being a good neighbor
helping one another and right now in the world that feels
more divided than ever we hope to to be the example for others
to follow.
Which is our technology that we built that gives the customer
choice of where they were the proceeds go to get to pick from
7 causes that resonate with them that inside each one of
the causes they could get their charity of choice. So as we say
we're going to pour your purpose of our profits and
we're going to that and Humanities want to be good.
We have an incredible team that's to touch some of the
biggest brands in the room world that all of that success
to build something significant. You know we all want to build
something far bigger than ourselves and want to live here
in our backyard, whether we were working with ucf for many
other local companies are big businesses like Disney and
constellation brands we have a remarkable team that's going
help this company take off.
But for us, you know we're in the drive to it. 2 middle
school qaeda entry. It just feels with that study for me to
go to the Seminole County with these amazing people.
Here's a few of our partners that we work with one big piece
for us that is different is that you know we see ourselves
as the catalyst. The gateway to get to that when you don't or
we get that activity younger demographic to help him from
the always made amazing nonprofits are doing so much
good in the community and as I mentioned even pre opening
locations we've already been on the market helping
organizations like second harvest the sharing Center for
4 years running now we've been able to support feeding the
homeless right before Thanksgiving in doing so so
much good right here in our backyard. It's really just
taken off it's it's it's it's infectious we've attracted so
many brands so many companies that want to leave it to do
good with this new servers with keeping them from society
habitat for humanity, make-a-wish you name it,
there's definitely energy right now to do good. You know we
call today's conscious consumer responsible retail I think
right now today's customer, they're looking for something
positive something different
and we're doing it with an amazing group of people.
And this is let us to have opportunities all throughout
Central Florida and our hope is that good for soon. A brand a
company that that community as well and then they celebrate
when they come to their communities. You see us here we
what we have locations opening all throughout central Florida.
We certainly hope that we can no longer to our list as well
leading all the way for us along with his. A great
operator, but even a better person, my customers right
Chris who currently on hurricane grill wings and
pickles and we're super excited to bring them into the fold,
my cousin Angie part of our company to be a big piece of
the puzzle and all that and speak to his efforts so far.
I'm like us to to 10 along a to 10 the guy. Not. Every good
man.
Haha haha.
>> From this property so it's important to me to get started
in Longwood if we can we do have plans going into Lake Mary
Sanford and Oviedo Mall in Seminole County. Along with
this location being emitted from my house in from our one
restaurant. Now about a mile and a half from now we are
second restaurant. I think it's important that we that we get
started our backyard is if we're able to
this is a building in question right here, the true value.
Ace hardware store that went out of business about a year
ago.
It's been sitting vacant ever since part of that is because
we've been working on this PD rezoning fortunately for us the
owners of the building have been extremely patient with us
they love our concept and really wants to come in there,
I'm sure they could have run it at someone else but there like
I said they've been extremely patient. But this is a building
this current condition. I know we're sticking to the facts of
the zoning and whatnot but I think it's important for people
to understand to what the building is going to look like
so these are the renderings of
what this particular building is going to look like in the
outside.
Here's what the inside renderings are going to look
like so you can see again.
It's not your typical for a liquor store that really has a
negative you know reputation out there
wide open spaces gifting a lot more things for sale in just
wine spirits and liqueurs
as far as the job creation and whatnot.
We brought it to restaurants within the last 4 years when we
took over those 2 restaurants which again as you know very
close to this this area, 3, 2, 7, 7, 9, zip code.
We had a total of 29 employees and today we have over 75
employees most of which we live right here in the area and
we're sure
bringing the good for this location, we're going to be
able to add many many more to that and I will also know not
that it matters again to the zoning.
We have nobody that works at any of our restaurants that
makes minimum wage they all make a good one wage and most
of which have been with us for over 3 years just because of
the work environment that we created we have no doubt we can
do the same thing here.
Thank you and you can see the staff recommendations, she's
been fantastic. This is the first time I personally ever
done APD Rizo so I was a real pain in the neck to her I'm
sure although she wanted minute. She's been fantastic.
I want to put that out there for the record. We did hold a
community meeting nobody showed up in opposition for the
commute got community meeting. But we did have some opposition
at the PNC which you know kind of surprised us actually
as we get started with this property because I know you may
be thinking
why would you pick this place Seminole County's big area
other than the fact is close to my house is close to our other
2 businesses so I know we have a lot of support from the
community.
Who've been very vocal about that.
When we took over the restaurants we had to get a
full liquor license that just had a beer and wine license.
So I went through that process twice it was pretty easy
because we serve food, so it's a little bit different as the
special exception.
I went to the county.
When I started this process and was told before I do anything
go to the property appraiser get them to fill out the doubt
let so you know how far away from the church.
That actually is because if you're within a 1000 feet or
inside a 1000 feet you're going to have to do a PD rezoning
that would be a 6 or 7 month process which obviously wasn't
something that I wanted to do.
I went to Sarah hunting or the property appraiser I've got
this dot that you see right there signed off by Sarah.
And it shows 1128 feet. We celebrated we contacted the
Rover we said okay, we're great we're going to go
and we negotiated now I have to do the yellow eye we negotiated
the lease terms and we were off and running.
Applications for the package sales liquor license which I
want to again be very clear there's no one site
consumption.
There is a a wine tasting if someone comes in is trying to
sell the brand some of that had a little taste of it and that
is it
when I got the application putin I got feedback than that
the county in their ordinance they measure it a little bit
differently than they do with.
The property prices so that they praise or measures it by
way of a vehicle for you to come out of 4.34, turning to
say Lando road which is where the church is located.
And I was 11 or 20 feet, however, if you come out of
property and you walk by public right away into the back.
It's inside the 1000 feet.
Well at this point understand we're already negotiated with
the landlord had several meetings with them, lining up
contractors and everything else so we thought it was going to
be another six-month process we thought it was well worth it,
it's turned into a little bit longer than that.
But here we are today
with the opposition stating that in their opinion there was
a homeless issue there.
I respectfully disagree, I live
2 tenths of a mile away I can walk to this property. I have 4
kids and all went through the schools are still live in this
area, 3 great kids and one on the way. If I thought there was
a real issue, I assure you I would not be trying to put
something there that would add to an existing problem, but
it's my job to make sure. We're gonna spend a lot of
money doing this this building as you can see it's going to be
a very nice-looking property.
I had so far drug coverage and a veteran that he took still
pictures of the whole area, not just right over top of the
building and talking behind the church.
All the wooded area because there's a lot of concern that
there's homeless camps we found absolutely nothing back there
with the drone footage.
I met with the sergeant of Seminole County
and I used to be his district where he you know was on the
beat and he knew of no homeless cat scans there.
And I said well I want to go a step further even though I pull
police reports from January of 2022 through July 31st 23 and
there was not one incident
of anything that had to do with any vandalism try anything with
vagrants homeless or anything like that one.
So I thought that was important I got that from him, but I also
portal going even further back people from this year I pulled
him from the last year and a half.
There was a Seminole County and I got the homeless report.
7% of homes in Seminole County are along with most of which
are in the 3 to 7, 5, zip code down near Casselberry
also they got weather, no homeless camps are these are
all in homeless camps right here and this you can see
was it good for right here.
The closest known homeless camp to the West is down in
Casselberry the closest one to the east is for a city
Altamonte Springs offer for 36.
So we've got a pretty good about that obviously
we raise a lot of money in the past actually do the right one
of the restaurants for or what kind of charity called bags of
hope that the pope is all through central Florida and
they feed the homeless, but they also do things like that
they take tents and sleeping bags and blankets and what not
to
all the known homeless camps and if anybody knows where
homeless are the ones that's going to be these folks because
they are trusted by these folks in my opinion, the homeless in
Seminole County not that there's not a homeless issue
obviously we know there are some homeless people out there.
But these are folks where their kids go to our schools, they
don't want to be you know they they trusted this family to
come back and bring things to them so I reached out to them.
This is a letter from them stating that they pretty well
know where everybody is they have a good time credit for it
the county in central Florida. And there are no known homeless
camps anywhere.
This property. So you know I also as Andy mentioned in the
report we got a September report we had them come out
from the county do an assessment of our air and the
building everything we could do to you know make sure there is
no. No crime whatsoever whether people are homeless or anyone
else so again while I respectfully disagree
that we have a homeless issue that is going and that we would
actually
make it worse.
I will say if there is any issues like that we will do
nothing but make it better.
We have a building that's been sitting vacant for a year and
they're still not one incident report from it.
I don't think that you know doing it the way we do it,
especially our marketing our marketing and branding we don't
carry low and products we don't even market prices of our
products in our store we market we get back we market the
charity.
So I just don't see how we would add to any
potential issue there.
I think that's all does that complete presentation, yes all
right fantastic. Thank you.
Any questions.
>> I think we'll let you know if there are any others that
right now I think you're okay to have a seat all right,
thanks are there. Any members of the public who wish to
speak.
We lost we lost your microphone, first lights on.
I'm Michelle Smith.
Maybe on and bree Watson there, the first 3 okay.
I meant all share with you yes you would pass those down and
not sure how many folks are here to speak and and support
versus opposition. But I'll remind everyone that the
board's purview today is looking at the facts.
The competent substantial evidence around the wrecked the
request.
Not whether they've got a great.
Mission.
We love the mission mission time but that's not what we're
basing our decisions on today.
>> Good afternoon, everyone good afternoon commissioners.
Calm and sunny day on my address is 600 North highway
1792 in Longwood and that is the sharing center business
address.
If the floor is yours for 3 minutes. Thank you.
You know, I have a prepared statement but I want to go back
to what rain open with. He mentioned that that we believe
that people in height.
That really resonated with me because that has been my
experience and the sharing Center's experience when the
poor but prior to that point was from last year in 2019 my
shot
and her family which is my chair is base. She contacted
chase ended with a hard time requests that she and her point
our family and children were passionate about serving and
giving back to the community and this is specifically was
about Thanksgiving time so they wanted to have a Thanksgiving,
neighborly lunch for those experiencing homelessness and
summit County. So that decision was to host a Thanksgiving
lunch in collaboration with the Giants and I liked a lot and we
gladly support of their effort because they're helping us and
to our this clients. So in 2019 we had our first partnership
and ever since 2019 every year we come back to the right
things getting either a lunch for those experiencing
homelessness we have since then collaborate with the family for
the first time in 2019 and then last year with the poor.
Ray and his family and the social enterprise connects the
community with costs is they that they're passionate about
the family and the 14 have become great partners with
assurance and are having shared over $8,000 in in kind support
but those were experiencing homelessness and so we are
grateful for their partnership and we look forward to many
ways that the point was that too many nonprofits and
identity.
Thank you thank you miss out.
Michelle Smith.
>> And he's after miss that Brean Watson and then giuliana
Rossi a can't miss
okay some this Rossi and as Watson well I I do do not are
waiving their right.
Good afternoon County commissioners manner, madam
chairman that the state for the record. It's good for us,
but a very good neighbor for us.
>> Located at 9 2011 in winter Springs, Florida. And I'm
really here to do 2 things one to provide my reference for the
organization in support of this business for the Longwood area
but also to provide some credentials for them as well.
We here at the sharing center. We have have a partners that
allow us to do. Well we do in bridging the gap here in the
community and then we have strategic partners partners are
people that that we work with to dovetail are very services
to help those that are in need our strategic partners,
however, like the good poor and the second harvest food bank
are people that walk is this they walked beside us in this
journey, so for their credentials while we are
grateful for their support, their credentials for the
community include just really genuinely being a good steward
for the community, not only are they responsible with their
with their customers but on their website, you can even see
the responsibility statement that they require everyone that
does business with them to affirm and I think that's a
marvelous.
I think that's a marvelous way to show that they're going to
be a good steward of their responsibilities here in the
community. What you'll also see and learn about them is that
there are other purpose, they you know I love that they say
their concept is to pour more into what matters what it
really boils down to is their purpose to give back and
they've done that exceeding way for the sharing center which
again allows us to help more now community for the the
annual Thanksgiving. Luncheons that we put it on they
literally see 2, 2, 2, 2, 100 to 250 meals for the
Thanksgiving. Celebration and these are folks that are
frankly just grateful to have a hot shower in her cut and food
and and a place to go if we can find shelter. We put on a full
spread which is
hot waited 10 to kneel with live music and least we do this
to to really support the dignity that we want to treat
these people and to help lift them up into the next stage of
their lives. So
I'm I'm I'm going to read to you in addition to my own
personal preference, I'd like to read to you letter the
second harvest food bank has asked me to read on their
behalf. They're Seminole County Commission members and members
of the community right here in Seminole County one in 8
individuals is at risk of going to bed hungry tonight often
these are working class families working one or 2 jobs
to make ends meet and it just isn't enough.
One small situations such as a car breaking down for an
unexpected medical bill can cause families to go from
stability. 2 needing food assistance literally overnight.
We're proud to say that good for a standing side to side
side by side with the second harvest food bank to help put
food on the tables for so many of our neighbors. Over the past
year, the poor is donated enough funding to provide over
8,000 meals and partnered with us on our biggest fundraising
effort of the year to help raise funding to provide an
additional 1.1 million meals. I speak for all of this is the
second harvest food bank want to share how proud we are to
partner with the good Lord as we help fight hunger in central
Florida that concludes my presentation thank you Mister,
thank you.
This is
Susan Boucher
grand 10 Dow and Deborah Russell.
>> And are these speakers in favor of the first one is Susan
Boucher is the next 3 are in a position.
If I could ask the other names that were just called up he
wouldn't mind just go ahead and lining up on that wall so that
when shipments Boucher is done you can.
The right ready to roll.
Hi thank you, I'm Susan Boucher and that's a I'm Caitlin
Florida along with my husband. I was out here we've been
central Florida resident since 1990 and I want to if your to
your real city saying you don't want to hear all about the
mission you don't want to break that we love here in the
mission which kind of so what prepared food, put it to the
side, I just want to say that
have a long history and sales and development of work for
nonprofit organizations, including habitat for humanity,
I've done lots of programming I work for ucf Foundation which
helps raise funds to educate you know, everyone that wants
to be educated and what I have experienced in my work and
fundraising is that there's so much need there so much need
throughout our community throughout Central Florida and
what we whole reason I keen to work with the poor as the
director of strategic partnerships for business
development or whatever you want to call my title. It's
because I recognize that need and it's a really great
opportunity within our organization, the good poor to
give to multiple organizations and if we have homeless in our
community while we're going to make sure that what we're doing
helps alleviate those problems were going to help educate
we're going to work with organizations that provide jobs
for folks that provide.
Meals that provide the things that we are you know our
challenge within our society we have an 80 billion dollars
history, the wine and spirits industry and if we can just
take our little piece of our little share and do something
really good was it. We think that some of the problems that
are considered opposition won't be problems we want to really
help and we want to really do some good.
Thank you so much thank you.
The next speaker would use to call the name again forced to
wrestle and then we have Clinton do and Timothy Taylor,
okay, Mister Taylor.
If you'd state your name and address for the record please.
OK my name is Deborah.
>> Although Russell my dress, this one 11 Russell Street
Altamonte Springs 3 to 71.
I think said doctor articulate speaker, but
I love this year and senator I get there and shop all the time
I talk to patients are wonderful organization.
Of the second harvest food bank is also wonderful our church
has several members who work there.
And so just like to say that I've lived in Seminole County
since 1966. We moved there when I was 12 years old and back
then I 4 had just opened.
There are no businesses aren't any corner of the access.
I 4.34 there was a stop sign at the intersection of 4 36 4.34.
I want to be like a lemon tree of asbestos, a summit in junior
high and they graduated from want and 19 C D 2.
My husband and I now reside in rolling hills area.
He grew up there and that a different light than in 1973.
I've gone to the First Baptist Church of St. Louis this spring
since 1966.
When my family moved there my family has attended there
almost 6 years.
We love Seminole County we love the real nature of Seminole
County when we get there
and we have 5 acres which is now part of sleep and the high
school.
We will have his it's got a lot of changes that started growing
the minute we leave their split it up there.
And we Delta new sanctuary there as as after the first
couple of years.
Now are called the Church of the Springs, but and see
process is our prayer church there.
And we've
adding a liquor store so close to her church does not seem
like a pretty good idea for the area.
We already have a smoke shop down the street which I guess
is more than a 1000 feet on what they have to do that that
used to be a floor shot.
In a dry cleaner areas.
So there are many families unit participated in that area.
Right on the parking lot where this business is going to be is
a you paint pottery store. So when you drive into the
business to the right is the goal to the east or to the left
this up poverty start with little kids coming in and out
of there all the time.
So I just think that import sounds like they have a good
business pollen.
They do a lot of good things for
the cause is but I think they should find a new location for
their business.
Thank you so much.
The next speaker should state your name and address for the
record and you have 3 minutes.
Why did these.
Go ahead and go.
>> Well you need to get. For the record and then miss
KENS timer but that was my subtle reminder was ready.
>> My name is going to handle a little bit to 89, lazy acres
playing well with the Florida lived in the same home for 50
years there again. I went to Lyman high School, a middle way
from. Bennett, a member of for that charge a church's Frank
for nearly 40 years.
I've got to say I'm a little bit
taken aback and surprised.
The gentleman.
Share this information as far as the sheriff's report and
things like that.
He was respectful and his disagreement I would also has
the have to be
the same with him because I have personally
last year and a half we have had an issue at the church with
homeless folks that come. They they that's out falsely.
In front of the doorways of the church.
They're out there. We have a playground for the kids,
we have basketball courts back there in the back we have a
picnic tables back there that we have had to call for
service, whether or not they made a police report on it,
I don't know all I can tell you is there were calls made to the
non emergency number of the sheriff. They sent someone out.
We were told by them. We do not approach these people they are
some of them not all but some of them can be very aggressive.
I witnessed that firsthand with the sheriff that was trying to
wake a gentleman who was laying down in front of the church
office. He's in full uniform, sidearm everything else he
yelled at him from 20 feet wake up.
No response he got about within 5 feet of him same thing.
Whenever the man did wake up the World Cup was fence with
his fist clenched his arm back.
We were told do not approach these things.
We have had
about a month and a half ago we had a break in that church.
Somebody broke into the sanctuary stole items from the
sound the we just got word Friday. They know this person
is they won't divulge where the information where the stuff is.
But apparently this person is homeless and is well known to
the Police Department the sheriff's Department. We've had
I've gotten calls. We have to church passes for children and
their own the property. I've gotten calls that the sheriff
is come by and the same people
get in there trying to move into.
We we have a children's ministries at the church that
play back there on the playground on the on the
basketball court and a very far back or. There's a wide open
field. They play football soccer, that's what I think has
we have over fact their own wheelchairs walkers they can
get brought by medic Van that's worth. So that's a concern.
Thank you for that.
>> Welcome if you please state your name and address for the
record and you have 3 minutes, my name is to the Taylor.
>> I live 2, 4, 6, 20 got to have to live in Florida.
But I'm the pastor
of the truck to the Springs.
We also have a pastor that it was possible here with us
today.
A couple things I'd like to speak to real quick, we want to
see those here this is the director of the property
appraiser's website from Seminole County.
If you do that we talked about at the top.
The dot there.
That is according to the property appraiser that is 253
for 54 feet.
Well, you're your own alcohol.
License application states that
the measure but urged to be taken along with the shortest
possible line like intern with the public rights of way.
Those with a gentleman that there's that much straight from
the building all we all
I don't know the other side of this tree came down to a 100
feet right there. Just like with the shortest distance,
I also worked as a probable cause to pastor. And by other
job because I work in the survey and mapping the industry
and I could do some mayors wheeled out there this past
weekend.
And I was from that point
will there be and I think that with 364.1 feet with the
surveyors will I don't know whether getting these
the mansion's front now that's not to the door that was just
to the corner of the property.
The point is we all are closer. The there say the second thing
is as one who spoke before we we are having problems with
people
breaking into our property.
I was doing what so that they can especially in the winter
time so that they can sleep up against the building. And that
the police can't see the big move to outdoor furniture.
So that they can but before they sleep on the sleep about
how do you think what has and hasn't well, you know up to 2.
I don't want to get their information for old.
Those are the things that have been developed for that word,
the actions which are great, I don't buy that do it but the
actions we've actually minister too some of those people in
those words that come in North Georgia. We have booster too.
Now I have a ceiling while they may be about to write down.
We still have regularly people coming into your body.
Obviously doing damage.
So my question to you would be hold the what the board in the
league so to come in. Relatives because they have so much money
to put into this thing. There are thousands of other
opportunities within 2 or 3 bottles that they could really
use rather be right next to a church.
Thank you pastor, thank you.
>> What are the other any other members of the public here
wishing to address this item the neglected to fill out a
form
yellow or green, we have 3 written comments that have all
been passed on the dias so each board members had an
opportunity to read those I am
anyone else going once going twice. We will close the public
hearing.
Commissioners any questions before we get the applicant an
opportunity to rebut yes, the question for staff.
>> Based on the pastor's exhibit.
So I think
I've heard 4 different distances so.
And and you know I want to thank everybody for face value,
but
tell me how we measure that we have a
diagram that will show us how specifically our staff measure
it.
>> I don't believe we have the measurement included in our
within our power point presentation believe the
applicant did and where the applicant had described
previously is when the property appraiser did the measurement
they came up with over 1000 feet so the
code requires of year.
Normally for the average establishment you are unless
you're part of a restaurant boards and sit incidental sales
but because this is primarily a A and liquor stores and along.
It's required to apply for special exception, but one of
the special exception criteria is that you have you cannot be
within a 1000 feet of a church or school.
So in this case they are less than a 1000 feet from the
church or school. By how we measure it and there is a code
provision which states how it's measured right and get to this
stage.
It is separation requirements in establishments selling
alcoholic beverages for consumption on permission
maintain the following separation from all churches
schools and property assigned a residential zoning 5 Prescott
Haitian for land use designation or like
establishment, no closer than 1000 feet measured along the
shortest possible line lying entirely within the public
rights of way such measurement being between the nearest
entrance to the alcoholic beverage establishment and the
nearest point on the pocket paid by the church.
So in the example that the church described they didn't
measure to the door of the first Avalanche.
So have we measured it has some of our staff yes we've measured
it. And by our measurement it's a little over a 100 linear
feet.
So it is less than the 1000 feet and that's why the
applicant did choose to go through the PD process and move
the special exception for us. And for the record.
>> Our staff measured from the entrance of the proposed
applicants property to the property line into one of the
church closest property line of the church, yes correct,
okay.
>> Commissioner you have a question. Thank you I think at
the beginning of that.
>> It said for consumption on premises.
Yes, so if this was just a liquor store.
Just a liquor store requires that the special exception
with the 1000 feet
with the 1000 foot separation from churches and schools,
correct.
So is that a different ordinance then
from the one that you just read that says
consumption on premises.
Let me out there find that it's for weather is now called
beverage establishment that is primarily alcohol sales and the
onsite consumption portion of it.
Right I think an briefing it was about onsite consumption
and I think so for me where I think we get into this very
rare distinction is that it's one thing to go to a far only
so no food far only just
which sums up the good old fashion smoky room for those of
us that are old enough to remember the horrifying
experience
to a tasting that is out over
teeny little Cup to try to entice you to buy a bottle of
wine. That is all that's not consumption on promises to me
just to share with my fellow commissioners my line of
thinking it's a different if you want to test 10 of 12
bottles to make sure which light well typically they don't
do, I mean it go try it not that I have here not that I
have but that's not the set up and so those folks that are
there for the manufactures wraps are actually trained to
not facilitate that they're just like they are a Costco in
case you ever tried there
which I am not either. Here for those in court on the feeling
the pastor's going to come minister to me at the end of
much I'm I welcome but.
>> The same and just to clarify the code says for on premise or
off premise consumption. So if you are if if the all
sales are not and an incidental you say France inside a grocery
store if you're selling wine in particular the aisle of the
grocery store. Then you're not required a special exception
approval. If you're stand-alone liquor store and you're
required a special exception approval per head.
So even if they were doing the tastings are the same place
they would still require special exception approval.
Thank you.
>> Commissioners, the mayor and the commissioner to I hear you
say that if if if it was
Publix
now selling.
It doesn't apply.
Does not
that's considered incidental. For the 7.11 that's right
across the street from the right to commissioner dallari
thank you madam chairman
Whitbeck in your recommendation.
He says you making a direct when you're recommending the
board adopt this because of the deficit putin can you walk us
through that please.
>> Sure they've added additional landscaping what
district track it all out of an Iraq you see that in someone
want to.
>> Any so a senior player development services. So the
applicant is proposing to add more landscaping along
the mayor of the property in order to comply with a set of
standards
what Senate set 10 okay
as well as additional lighting and light poles on the building
around the property will kind of landscaping that putin
at this point we don't know yet.
And SEPTA is crime prevention through design environmental
design. Yes, yes.
Any other questions.
Does the applicant wish to about any of the comments that
were made and just seen at this is not an opportunity for an
additional presentation is to comment, what I'm going to
just.
>> Responding to directly what was was said by the opposition.
So they don't know where I got the idea for directly from the
Seminole County Sheriff's Department.
I know you spoke of their experiences and I'm sure
they were telling you what they experienced. I will also tell
you again
I not only live 2 minutes from here but I have a place of
business 2 minutes from here so theoretically if there is
a homeless issue we have food we have liquor we have you know
beer you can walk down the public sidewalk and look right
through our windows and see bottles of liquor.
In the 4 and a half years that I've had this restaurant,
I have not had one attempted break-in or anything and they
can see things are right there, but I got the information right
from.
The police report
just to clarify the liquor license that we have
only allows package sales it does not allow for insight
consumption. So even if I wanted to I could not we've got
a 3 PS and it's right in the report. And that is what we're
going to have their so there is no one safe consumption
whatsoever other than the tastings
this is just my opinion and again respectfully the church
does set backs and land a role not only 4.34. It is quite dark
back there, I would recommend we had set to come out and
their biggest thing for us is add additional lighting.
That was there that was their primary mission away and a good
security system which obviously we had every intention of doing
both.
And we're going to comply with with their whole you know
everything that they talked about in the September report.
But again dry every day to and from my house is very dark back
with the churches and so make I again I can't speak for their
experiences, iconic speak for my as far as the distances
again.
We didn't draw them out that came from the property
appraiser
they have to do it by the way the car goes.
The counties, you know the way they measured it becomes a
public right away down the sidewalk, even though not a lot
of people are going to be to use this as a walking area and
it goes to the very tip of the property. I have the papers
from the county signed off from the county that's where I got
my emotions.
1123, I think and I think the other was a 68. I didn't make
them I didn't mention that myself.
This is Jason Mahoney, he's a civil engineer, so if you'd
like to speak to that Jason sure.
>> Good afternoon Jason Mahoney, civil engineer of
record with NV 5 6200 Lee Vista Boulevard and Florida.
Well Mike was referring to is everyone can measure the
distance just a little differently. I can measure
differently on the map and the applicant that can the county.
So we did was we rely on the Seminole County property
appraiser so we asked them to give us what's called a
property appraiser information for its document that they
prepare it's based on your parcel and then it has little
blanks and it says that parcel is this distance from the
school. This distance from this church this distance from
residents.
And what we do is we allow the property appraiser to do that
measurement so the 3rd party unbiased opinion right and then
you as the commissioners can also rely on it because it's
it's coming from a a
something the county someone who has ties that same rule of
measurement each station every time that they do one of these
forms.
I will also tell you that we look at the site plan, the
master development plan that meets all of the land
development code it area and needs that they are means
building. Setbacks it has adequate parking. It has able
open space.
There is no traffic concerns and the adjacent roadways so
from from the cemetery perspective. Those are the
types of things that we look out on behalf of that.
>> Any questions for the applicant any follow-up.
Thank you John.
Close the public hearing and heard
from the applicant any discussion by the board.
We're sure Constantine this is your district again. Yeah.
Thank you very much
when I first heard about the
planning zoning board's denial with this.
>> I went back called a couple of them find out what the
concern was and also watched the tape.
There was much confusion about
as we have talked about today.
Skews me
the measuring of the from the church to
the proposed good work.
And so with that they were that there was a lot of
misunderstanding discussion
and
so they got the recommendation that they did.
The applicant contacted me and asked if I would meet with
them, I did
I'm looking at the situation, I told them and I felt that they
needed to do more buffering
lighting get with the sheriff's office find out exactly the
reports also
do a survey in the immediate area about homeless and we all
know both panhandlers and homeless they're going to go,
you know there are moving around and there's you know you
cannot
denied that there are homeless everywhere in our community
sadly
but you know to find out if there was a camp to find out if
there was a problem in that particular area on an ongoing
basis.
I think we've all done this before we meet with an
applicant and we tell them what the concerns are and what the
problem is and what they should do to alleviate the concerns.
Most don't do it for what they do.
Is the day come back and try to
say oh well there might be a little problem but given that
these folks
did it all.
Every single thing that I asked them to do. You heard the
reports that they got from the sheriff's office you saw that
they did a survey around area they did the buffering in the
setback, the did the lighting
and quite frankly in looking at an empty
space versus what they're offering to the community.
I think that they are would be of an asset to that area.
And a benefit to the community.
And so therefore I'm going to recommend the Board of County
commissioners adopt the proposed ordinance enacting a
rezone from C one retail commercial to PD plan
development
and associated development order and master plan master
development plan for the good for alcohol beverage
establishment on approximately 2.7 8 acres located on West
state Road 4.34 proximity 2,860 feet west of Montgomery row,
second.
>> The motion by commissioner Constantine a second by
commissioner zembower any discussion.
I will just say that as I think I may sound like a and beating
a dead horse that I'm going to say it again for the record.
There's been a lot of focus on the mission of this
organization and in no way shape or form.
Does the give back to the community in terms of charity
or the mission or the feel-good have anything to do with my
decision and how I'm going to vote to support this item our
code and the law does not allow it and I made that very clear
to the applicant only met in my office.
Not saying that the mission is bad.
Mission is good.
That is not what's before us today. So I want to make that
very clear before.
>> We take over and commissioner I confirm I could
I concur with you. The fact of the matter is all the things
that I pointed out about what they're intending to do to to
support. The community has nothing to do with what has
been brought up from the others but one of the thing I will
mention that that that they said to me is they would be
happy to get with the church and work with them also to see
if they can help work with them and alleviate some of the
concerns of the church at well, my comment was there bringing
the mission field to the church, but
commissioner zembower.
>> I concur completely with with some of the mission
statement and I'm actually and this is for the county manager.
I'm somewhat troubled with the presentation from staff,
the tribe of
getting back to charity. I think it is
not of any significance and a quasi judicial decision
regardless of whether it's this operator or some other per the
doesn't have this mission. The mission should not be part
of the discussion or consideration, I respect the
charity work that they do good work. I respect others don't do
that just may do it a different format. But I do not believe
it's our places staff
and to have that diatribe going into it it just doesn't look
right in my opinion, strictly my pick.
>> Any other comments before we call the alright there's a
motion a second all those in favor say aye aye any opposed
motion passes unanimously.
Item number 20.
Is the Blake case road partial right away vacate and that's
going to be presented by joy Giles and joy I feel like I say
your name incorrectly every single time and I've known you
for years. Woods is Giles Massey was correct. Thank you
that is important to me that I say people spacecraft.
And this is commissioner dallari districts, yes, thank
you to you can do.
>> Joy Giles principle planned for development services for
the applicant can buy homes of Orlando has because it could
petition the county. Today Kate in a van and a portion of uncut
right-of-way known as Les cayes road line along the south side
of Lake 8 of unrecorded plat of the lakewood's 5 acre
subdivision line in section, 25 Township, 21 so
Grange 31 east of Seminole County.
The subject area. Kate is 33 feet wide and 320 feet in
length, the proximity 10,580 square feet the applicant owns
the 34 acre property adjacent to the north known as the
paddock way PD which was recently approved by the board.
The pedigree a subdivision is currently under development if
approved the vacated area will be incorporated into the
subdivision the applicant has provided letters of no
objection from all applicable utility companies and public
works has no objection with the vacate the applicant has
provided the utility and drainage easement as well as an
access easement over the dedicate your first kiss me
over the portion to be a vacated dedicated to Seminole
County.
Either request complies with the requirements for vacating a
right away under section, 35.24 of the Seminole County land
development code, therefore staff recommends the Board of
County commissioners adopt the resolution vacating and
abandoning uncut portion of right of way known as Les cayes
road has recorded in official records for up to one page to
20 of the public records of Seminole County. Thank you.
Any questions for miss jobs.
The is there.
>> I know we are yes to my sense is he here he is for.
We don't don't be shy yet which one would you like to make a
presentation. Why you were sitting as almost as far as
where you would speak as you can get an answer and so I
wasn't sure.
>> Then back in that more instead of sit your record for
the that way project I am at my own self nothing that just
developed for questions.
>> Okay, thank you so much for being here. And if you take a
seat closer by this. We do have any questions. You'll be handy.
All right are there any members of the public who was just
asked to speak we have one bill high all right Mister Hyde.
>> Good afternoon commissioners. My name is bill
Hyde limit, 2379 audley Street and corporate do they do.
Hoping for your support on this vacation this afternoon.
This goes all the way back to the recommendation was made to
PNC but several members that this would be a good thing to
do to help our neighborhood. Without this. There is a
distinct possibility, the
we could we could become cut through traffic to be honest
with you. There's already been a number by our neighbor to the
Oviedo to go to Metro plan to do great pre planning to
actually punch of road through so by doing this you could
support us and I know it seems gun. Unusual for me to be
working with Mister Martin but I and we appreciated very much
the efforts that I've done this this is a this is what kind of
weapon something that started quite well. Thank you.
>> Watch or many other way. Thank you Mister Hyde
glad you could make it today.
Anyone else he neglected to fill out a form I didn't see
any green forms filled out for comments know alright, we'll
close the public hearing. Chairman yes.
>> See if a ship senators today like to support
the adoption of the resolution make a motion to adopt the
resolution vacating an abandoned
the uncut portion of the right away known as Les cayes road.
As record in the official record book
to one page to 20.
In the public records of Seminole County of Santa here
today.
>> By commissioner dallari second by commissioner
Constantine any discussion.
All those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously madam chair outside to make comment. I think
>> it's nice to see Bill and his lovely wife hope here.
And it's always a pleasure if the bill
about building a more is glad to see you know I agree with
that. But I'm just thank you for bringing it.
You can leave it home.
>> Taha number 21 as a board of adjustment appeal that we
talked about earlier that. What's likely going to have a
request to continue to December 12. Miss Moscowitz, yes again.
Get it Marymount with planning and development manager,
the pin on on this case has requested a continuance and
staff is recommending to continue to that the summit.
12 BCC meeting and to all events sound. Hussein because
he has to be recognized first and
that's why continue its. Commissioner Constantine is to
continue
was there a date certain on that motion 12. December 12th,
yes so the motion is to continue to December 12th.
There's a second from commissioner her any
discussion.
Is there any was there anyone here who want to speak on this
item, thank you so much is there anyone who wants to speak
to the continuance of this item.
All right close public hearing. No comments on the continuance
all those in favor say aye.
Any opposed motion passes unanimously so we're continuing
item number 21 to December 12th for a variance.
>> But no it be this item that yeah, okay.
>> 5 separate item number 22, into Gates, a good afternoon
and into Gates planner development services, the
applicant is requesting the special exception for guest
House and when the single family dwelling district on 0.2
2 acres located on the south side of college drive at to
mind college drive. Requests can for an existing 392.0 4
square foot shed to a guest house. The guest House will be
for intermittent temporary occupancy by a non paying guest
will have no cooking facilities and will not be rented.
A community meeting was held on 8/3/2022 and there were 2
attendees on June 2620 23 the Seminole County Board of
adjustment approved over yard setback variance from 30 feet
to 6 inches for the shed that is guest House and on 8/2/2023.
The planning and zoning board recommended the Board of County
commissioners approved the proposed guest House use staff
recommends the Board of County commissioners approved a
special exception based on the conditions and development
order for a guest house in our when a single family dwelling
district district located at 2 '09 on strive. This concludes
my presentation should you have any questions for staff I'd be
happy to answer. Thank you very much any questions for Mister
Gates.
The applicant here with like to make a presentation.
>> Okay with that's fine you can do that the applicant the
president, but she has nothing to say I'm not sure if we have
any questions for you you'll be happy to answer them. Those are
there any members of the public here who would wish to seek the
forms is there anyone here who neglected to fill out a form
who would like to speak on this item.
All right seeing, none we'll close the public hearing
any questions from the board for staff or the applicant.
Commissioner zembower.
>> As our staff enough to look at the ship yes I've done it
myself OK
want to make sure. There's no understood you know I
have some concerns
and we're going to ensure that it's going to be
in a condition that is livable correct. Yes.
>> It is going to be fully prices going through the
permitting process now it's just halted because of.
>> Want to make sure that we get that so there's no other
questions, madam chair, I'm prepared to make a motion.
I will make a motion we consider special except for
guest House and our won a single family dwelling district
on 0.2 2 acres located on the south side of columns drive
second.
>> There's a motion by commissioner zembower a second
by commissioner dallari any further discussion
all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously, thank you.
Item number 23 is another reason for geely scrap metal
and the project manager is Doug Robinson, this is been. So just
district 4.
>> I wanted a good afternoon. Madam chair commissioners to
Robinson, the planning and development.
Sure
okay, so this is a request to rezone from they actually has 3
zoning categories on that one is the one that they want to
make whole site is a one agriculture see to retail
commercial. And M one industrial and they'd like to
rezone to M one industrial for the site which is approximately
point 0, 9, 8, acres
that would support the existing operations of the scrap metal
recycling facility that is located to the north of the
subjects site on the 2 parcels actually to the north.
And so the as you can see on the area of the site is located
on the East side of London road that's Ronald Reagan to the
West. About 330 feet away from over.
So as I mentioned this site is
could you go back to the area please thank you the same.
It's currently
used to store some scrap metal containers on that that the
applicant would would like to integrate that site into
properties to the north to create more space on the
northern property and to improve the vehicular
circulation and also separate the public access from the
truck traffic access. Safe.
They're also proposing to create a cross access between
the properties and construct a storm water pond.
Now all that would occur on the site, but I think it's a matter
of using up all the properties combined to storm-water
facility improve the circulation and a separate the
truck traffic from the heart of traffic.
They also would potentially be used the property continue to
store overflow.
Containers and vehicles parked on that property.
The site currently has an industrial future land use
designation that does allow 4 locations of heavy commercial
industrial and uses a oriented towards wholesale distribution
storage manufacturing and other industries is
the maximum intensity permitted on the industry future land use
is your 0.6 5 floor area ratio.
To our knowledge there are no weapons or flood Plains on the
site. However, if there is any discovered in the site plan
process they would be required to show this donations.
The property does access lining the road there are a no
improvements in the 5 year capital improvement program.
They also border anchor road to the east of the property,
but the applicant has indicated that they do not intend to use
anchor road to access the site.
If they did decide to do that they would actually have to
prove incorrect. The county standard
is for stormwater tension goes team depending on drainage
issues in the area. They may have to hold up to
to retention of the 100 year a 24 hour storm event on site.
Utilities are provided by the city see Casselberry which is
directly south of the site in East and West.
If there are no structures plan to be on this particular
parcel, however, if they do installing buildings on the
site it's would be expected to connect utilities to the city
of Casselberry we have also indicated that that may be the
mechanism for the annexation of the property into see Casper,
we've instructed them to coordinate with them even
before this reason process began. But they've indicated
they didn't intend to have an Isis utilities on site
regarding buffers and landscaping the site will be
required of me over and over on the code requirements. The that
would be determined at the time of final site plan
and a minimum of 25% of open spaces record which could
include in this case t a buffer areas.
Staff does find a proposed M one zoning classification
compatible with the surrounding development in the area and is
consistent with both the allowable use and intensity
provisions of the industry future land use designation
the applicant a whole community meeting on Thursday July 13th
at 07:00PM. I believe there were 2 attendees in addition to
the applicant.
Their questions were mainly curious about what was being
posed to the site.
The planning and zoning Commission did vote.
Unanimously August 2nd to approve the rezoning request
and I believe the minutes and the summary that are in your
packet as well.
So that to recommendations staff recommends the Board of
County commissioners adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone
from a one agriculture see to retail commercial and then one
industrial to M one industrial to support operations of an
existing scrap metal recycling facility on approximately 0.9
acres located on the East side of London road approximately
330 feet south of Ronald Reagan Boulevard that concludes my
presentation, madam chair, thank you here for any
questions you have any questions for Mister Robinson
commissioner zembower I have one and my apologies from go to
the aerial.
If you can bring up towards the bottom.
This you don't have it or you can't give up that far.
One of our packet says winner of 2023.
It's a winter.
Yeah, the something rgs gis department stamps on the maps
that was obviously not a winter of 2023 area.
Once
to the January 5th. January February winter.
Very well.
That's all I have.
>> I thought they were supposed to be losing leaves and the
winner and Florida anymore haha that's a great question though
that's a funny and I should mention the applicant is here
okay all right if the applicant is here does he wish to make a
presentation.
>> Has been us what they say are 15 East Robinson Street
running for the 2 to one also just shorts here from jail,
he can it's already operational questions we concur with staff
recreate their support and their son Thomas process again
we're just trying to
they consisted of 30 happened to the 2 pieces to the north
and offer greater flexibility with the site plan. I would
bring it to its consistent. There's no attention to time to
read what keeps up for us, I am but we're very well for
questions.
>> The test think any questions for the applicant.
All right if you stay close by just in case.
And this can send me members of the public that wish to speak
no ad no forms of hate anyone here who neglected to fill out
a form would like to see.
Alright, we'll close public hearing.
>> We don't have to make a motion on their behalf.
It is your district. Thank you
I move the motion said or rezone from a one agricultural
see to retail commercial an M one industrial the industrial
support operation existing scrap metal recycling facility
approximate 0.9 8 acres located on the East side of London road
possibly 330 30 feet south of South won't work in Boulevard a
Saint.
>> There's a motion by commissioner zembower second by
commissioner dallari any discussion
for the record I noted that commissioner Constantine was
equally eager to make the motion so that those noticed
her say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously.
Thank you very much.
There isn't.
That's for later, sorry.
24 should be next. 24 is at 5.24 to the Lake Tahoe.
The county attorney's report and county managers report.
I have nothing further to report.
>> Thank you. Madam chairman just a few items one. As we
were talking this morning about the syndrome it just want to
remind everyone that are open enrollment is Monday October
9th through Sunday November, the 5th.
We are having a couple enrollment meetings, one are
here right here in the chambers on Tuesday October, the 3rd.
And then we also have one of the AG center on Wednesday
October 18th that will make sure that it's up to
all of our employees
want to give you just an update on the overall property
and the process of the Florida forever. Application that's
going through it just to update you all know this but
what was the last week was the August but with the 29th that
was the public hearing and for our application of course that
got canceled due to that hurricane they are looking to
reschedule that
we will let you know when that a date has been scheduled but
just to keep on their the dates that are are still scheduled
are certain
October the 11th up in Tallahassee that's when they
Florida forever would like a presentation from us we don't
know what type that they have a a gun with this, but we are
where we are willing and ready and be able to make that
presentation to them
December 7 that is where all eyes are on that's when they
will make the final vote or decision if the property will
be put on the Florida forever list and then it will as you
know go through the funding piece go to the Cabinet and and
how that piece to that how that goes so everything still on
track for that.
In the meantime we did get the appraiser's on board I'm
actually just finished up a purchase order for those so
miss this cause is leading that effort and we'll get to to
appraisers on board have him ready for the property. And I'm
also working with the property owners representatives on this
as well and in case something does not happen with. At the
Florida forever level at the that gets on that list that
will be able to bring back with you and alternative so just to
let the board know that that is still going on.
Also just want to recognize that Dominique trigger our new
agenda development coordinator know you all have met her so
Melanie will not be sitting in that seat soon we ought to
throw stuff better to start the clock but Dominick will be on
it.
And then just want to give chief kenley if you could come
up. You know, and remember it's and never forgetting September
11th which was that anniversary us yesterday our some of our
firefighters were actually recognize that the breakfast
recently, and I just want him to just to share that
experience with the board.
>> Afternoon chairman commissioners mckinley fire
chief Mister Grey asked me to come up and obviously talk
about the central Florida hotel and lodging Association Patriot
day breakfast, just for the, I know you all know that is just
for the benefit of any other public may be watching. That's
an annual breakfast remembrance put on to recognize first
responders and the hero heroic acts that they they do in life
so they say.
Once again we had crews that were recognized for lifesaving
work so just to start off this is a good this is a good story.
Our crews responded back in July of this year to a drowning
call a 2 year-old
what I love about this call is it's just so representative of
this community and how all those change how the chain of
survival just enter connects to have a successful outcome.
So just right out of the gate of the family we've got her out
of the water.
Call 911. Our dispatchers talk them through CPR which they did
not know how to do. They've seen it on TV. We talked to
special talk them through that law enforcement that's arrived
on scene took over CPR for them that our crews arrived very
quickly after that very very quickly
are you tease, tribal to do the amazing things that they do.
We could transport to the hospital and had 2 year-old
China alley breathing with Thanksgiving before we got to
the hospital and the hospital continue that care for the next
week. As you walked out of the hospital.
We were lucky enough. Often August to have her come into
the public safety building and celebrate her 3rd birthday.
Just once again is just a shining example of everything
works within Seminole County just for the record wanted to
acknowledge. Our crews that were involved a dispatcher
Angela bass, a deputy sheriff Douglas meantime, lieutenant
Paul kamrel firefighter paramedic Stephen Schwartz to
kind of ride part.
Rick Monday know and firefighter Jackson to cure
again just something that really we do every day. But
this is just a perfect you know, perfect example of how
the chain attaches together in Seminole County. Thank you
thank you thank you.
And just the last thing we'll see a 5.30 for the first budget
public record. A public hearing public meeting.
>> The she might is to keep me interested anymore. I just like
mess with you. What
face was priceless.
The district commissioner reports starting with district
3.
>> Thank you very much commissioner. First I didn't
want to recognize our County manager who spoke to the
leadership Seminole coffee com, a conversation on August 25th
with the announcement that he was now a world record-holder
or the winner. You have
champion from that question real.
I wonder how much time he really had as you know since
you know he's out there riding his horses everywhere, but
congratulations on that and it was well received on the 26th,
I got to tell you our Fire Department does so many
wonderful things on the 26th.
They went by and I they did a drive-by for a 100 year old who
is also a retired military. Bob low. Celebrate is 100th
anniversary on August, 26th.
And he's a retired master chief Petty officer in the United
States Navy from 1942 to 1972, he served, and during World War
2 he participated in the invasion of Sicily. And Z
Salerno in Normandy.
And the Fire Department went out there and did a drive by
and it he had something like 4050 of neighbors that came out
to celebrate that it's just too wonderful wonderful event on
the 29th and 30th and I just want to show anything many of
you know that I was serving on the
the opioid solutions leadership network for Naco this was our
last meeting I report will be coming shortly. I didn't want
you to know that the latest report in orange and Seminole
County is that for pure related deaths are down by 11%. This
year which is wonderful. This was in Milwaukee, and you
can't really tell. But the bridge was lit up it was the
opioid awareness day in the bridge was lit up purple in
Milwaukee for that particular event.
I'm also I wanted to congratulate. Take that down to
congratulate. Mister John Williams who won the 2023 heart
of the arts award by our in Seminole County arts Council
for his continued participation in and philanthropy that he
gives to the arts here in Seminole County.
On September 9th commissioner delorean I attended the tunnel
to towers 5 K run in Altamonte Springs owned in cranes roost
and it was there over 1100 runners that day and they
raised a great deal of money and of course that was
obviously too.
To honor those that have that were lost their lives during
the 9.11.
And also my didn't want to make sure that each and every one of
you we're aware but that for the first time the Florida
Association of counties we'll be having
their conference here. Tomorrow Thursday and Friday. Our
chairman will welcome them tomorrow morning at the I'm
like Mary Mary to 8, 8, 30 approximately I was told 8.20.
Well you'll be hearing and then we will be going on innovation
program around the county. They'll be seeing things like
our.
You know boom, Bah,
and also the wekiva Parkway and then some of the innovations
that Altamonte Springs is doing the exciting news
is that this conference it's called the innovation and
policy conference.
Last year.
We did it in Miami and there was about a 100 participants
this year in Seminole County we have a 150 participants that so
you know they've really just blue their goal out of the
water and we really love to have you come by tomorrow
morning at work. I will tell you Bruce scoreless very happy
because his hotel is completely booked and I think that they
had to go of some of them over to the West and so that's
wonderful.
The last thing I have like 2 things one is that on the 27th
talking about Florida forever. The Florida wildlife corridor
conferences here and Orlando, I'm down here. The Disney area
and I will be one of the speakers at that particular
thing hoping to get a few good words in about some of our
requests. And this Saint and this is this I'm going to if
they all are
okay with this.
Many of you are familiar with the Saint Stephen's Lutheran
Church on 4.34.
They on October.
In October October 15th are going to celebrate their 50th
anniversary I thought it would be appropriate if we did a
resolution for the month that would be okay with the rest.
So we'll bring that up this soon as we can at the next
meeting.
>> We do it for the Episcopalians we've got to do
it got.
That is all I think next district is district 5.
>> Yes, it actually I caught you off guard, I know I just
thought of something
I'd like to move to reappoint Doug mclendon to the city of
Sanford community Redevelopment agency he was pointed
originally and took over Brian vokes term that ends September
30th so second second. There's a motion by commissioner her
second by commissioner dallari all those in favor say aye aye
any opposed motion passes unanimously. Thank you.
Yesterday, I did attend at warley Park and
invitation that was extended bar to our reached out she had
secretary Marion mcfadden from HUD out of Washington DC here.
She was actually here on some other business but makes it her
priority to build to visit properties while she is in town
we sat and had about a 40 minute discussion on some of
the issues that we face with HUD funding in the confusion
related to hunt funding.
The secretary from HUD in Jacksonville was in the
building and I did approach him about the dilemma of cdbg
funding.
And just said that
and the conflict between rescue outreach mission being in the
city of Sanford and in the county and he indicated that he
would be willing to really hold another discussion with me
about that one month.
So we did reopen that can of worms. Hopefully for a good
outcome.
Commissioner Constantine reminded me because I don't
ever think these things so I I'm just not good at this piece
of this yet, but the lake Mary Rotary is celebrating 50 years
and maybe we need to do a resolution to celebrate that
wonderful very good, wonderful idea.
And then the last thing I'd like to share with you is 2
things and this dovetails into.
Some of the land development discussion that we're having
this morning Rebecca's back they're packing a punch to the
run, it's an easy one, but you know there was a of their
encounter in one of the neighborhoods in my district
and there was a young man is a 10th grade student at Lake Mary
high school and I just want to recommend recognize him for his
heroic behavior that night he was actually in the area and
came upon the gentleman that had fallen
and the there was an older gentleman walking a very small
dog and he actually assisted the man and the dog both were
very badly injured.
And called 911 was calm cool and collected and was the voice
of reason that sought help for both of those folks that were
in the Bears. Harm's way.
Coincidentally, they just got a request. Via email, not that I
was reading e-mail during any of your reports.
But it is it is a really legitimate request and that is
that in the subdivisions
in the bear area we should require signage people move in
and out of there we're doing the postcards we put it in the
ordinance that we should advocate educate. But while
we're developing those area, let's put signs in the
neighborhoods that very clearly and succinctly say what it is
you should do and what it is you shouldn't do.
We just have to get out of the way the bear had an incident in
the past week.
I can see my husband pull up in the driveway, we have been all
watching through the window where the bear was sitting
which was literally about 8 feet away from where he gets
out of the car now he's got Elvis Presley, blasting and
he's thinking about a 100 other things so I guarantee you he
would have gotten out and been staring at this bear and so
we're calling him we have the window open for hollering out
the window don't get out and get outs of course he gets out
he's like what.
>> Bear left.
>> But you're just not expecting to see it and so
reminders within our communities is a really
important thing particularly with trash pets, bird seed all
the crazy stuff that we do as humans to attract these animals
into our
patio refrigerators that have sweet things in it like white
claw
so I request that I mean this is what happens in that in in
our neighborhoods. I I do request that we consider
requiring signage in these neighborhoods.
>> Before you move on commissioner zembower has
something he'd like to add to your comment.
>> So I would just ask for backup.
This goes all the way back to my days on tmz back in 2015 16,
whenever that was
we put in the development order of many of these places and
that require them to have signage requiring them to adopt
the fwc bear aware program
and educate and inform all new residents and at least once a
year at the annual meetings have a discussion with all our
homeowners.
I don't know where that stands as far as any enforcement or
follow up. But that goes back to commissioner Hearst point as
we anticipated this
and that's why many times it was built in the. Despite this
race that's correct yes, so it.
>> The zoning of the property was PD plan development and
they had developed an order we included those requirements in
the development order. Not a 100% on the sign and
requirement whether that was included. But there were some
additional requirements for the planned developments if you're
within a straight zoning district and then there are the
men bear management area. Does didn't add additional
conditions they stopped it comply with our code by which
mirrors that the fwc requirements. So in this
particular and for this particular question I see
I guess 2 options to hear do we want this public works one of
the signage and existing neighborhoods or is that
something has to be coordinated with the joeys that any of any
for new.
Any new developments require that we would have to amend the
code to add that requirement to to the urban bear management
section of the coach.
>> From my perspective to the answer to all of those
questions is yes if we have to amend it then let's amend it to
get it done what we have to commute to coordinate with the
H.O.A. ease and we provide the signs and they allow
installation we should do it. I will tell you that
I live in one of those neighborhoods and my first
encounter was a bit with the bear was the first education,
I got about a bear.
And that's when he was sitting in the driveway, eating lasagna
and then
he liked it just occurred, but who wouldn't right but I think
it is not happening and and I live in I live in the H.O.A.
neighborhood I'm in that is a very progressed H.O.A. that's
engaged that's doing all the stuff they're supposed to era
where is not it's just not top of mind.
>> So with this current round of LDC we are we've already
been to the planning and zoning Commission we're bringing those
before you on September 26, so we can if the board direct
staff to bring is separately we can bring separate ordinance
amending the land development code for that in particular.
>> ATS again and then work on the whole the communication
plan out to the to the bare areas as well. Well that's yes
to
I'm sorry commissioner, no cost. I was just going to say.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Back when we were doing the ordinance this was something
that we discussed and
I can recall that we just at that time didn't have the votes
for it, but I was supportive of the denim supportive, but now I
think it's great.
>> So I think there's an opportunity to do things that
are all good things simultaneously I think we can
reach out to the H.O.A. is and ask for them to voluntarily
participate I can't imagine that any of them would not want
that there may be some architectural design issues
with the signage I know some of the communities do you know
right like they're signed thing like that.
So but I think it would be worse having those
conversations and says and letting them know that we're
heading down this past and in the meantime would you be
interested and
probably Lanny so that's great any other input on that front.
>> Before commissioner gets back to her district report I'm
done with my daughter came up and I would just add since
that's an extra level of work that got attached if my office
can help in any way we'll be glad to do that you want us to
make phone calls you want us to do emails will be happy to do
that and thank you Brandon advance for your help.
A great district one. Thank you madam chair.
>> We give you updates regarding a Lockwood road sewer
line project we placement and it's been going on for
quite some time almost a year now and we're getting very
close to completion.
I've been told that it's going to be close to the beginning of
October this year. The line has been replaced in and
backfilling it and doing a restoration of all area that
they've had to report.
The thing that's so intriguing about this project is that it's
been a moat that just
we'll take groups that have been involved in environmental
came on bird. Good job drivers public courtship chief Matt
kinley you have one for us with the city of Oviedo in the
county.
We have. The city. Residents you have County residents have
ucf you have 6 or 8 different H.O.A. is you have to schools
broke the elementary school and high school. We have several
churches the list goes on and on and on and I want to thank
all the county to full staff to say one group
was leading the charge. Doesn't do justice. They should all be
commended
because of how complex his project was over a number of
months and I want to thank you all for
being such good Stu, it's not just of the county money
and utility, but also being good stewards of letting people
know what happened to be fully transparent and actually
helping.
The fact he's been reports of running construction guy and
he's not a small person actually walking elementary
kids across the street.
Because they're having problems crossing.
So it goes on and on and this is what local governments all
about you should all be commended for doing it. A live
Web site that they had
thank people really information people answering the phones and
I can sit here for a long time talking about
all the things went right. We could also talk about the
things that were wrong. But staff corrected it very quickly
and no project like this would ever go
without any issues.
But when issues that arise and was noted.
Staff made the pivot
and made the changes immediately. I want to thank
them all. So thank you all for your hard work.
We also want to thank
commissioner Constantine I was at the tunnel to towers
is that this past weekend.
I thought your speech was very moving.
At the end.
Most people sometimes don't realize a tunnel to tower
actually means is that
there was actually firefighters that actually ran through the
battery.
With full bucket gear.
Once you get out of the battery tunnel and by the way the
battery tunnel to try to one of the longest tunnels that we
have a United States.
People don't realize that
we have to get out of the tunnel.
They ran from the entrance to the tunnel to the twin towers
and then ran up the twin towers in full boat here carrying
equipment.
A 5 K races pose to.
It does on those individuals
but to see people running and full broken here.
It is truly amazing
to see both
young people the elderly people not only but older firefighter.
I couldn't do it and they should all be commended for
doing it every year. We're also told that our it's an
organization that helps first responders well fire law
enforcement and also military people
when they lose someone to actually get them back on their
feet it is truly a family that goes beyond just that one day
and it helps people weeknight to families and get them back a
financially.
The people that spoke there that day was very moving
where there's been a couple of sheriff's deputies and law
enforcement individuals that he died in the line of duty.
Tunnel to tower actually help those families and a paid off
their mortgages to get them back on their feet so it should
all be.
Commissioner Constantine well done which is and then the
other thing I'd like to talk about is that
April 26.
1994.
The Board of County commissioners actually
established
the summit County arts Council. This year, but if next year
which would be 2024 be celebrating the 30th
anniversary.
I'd like to ask staff to reach out to them to see how we can
come in commemorate the 30 year anniversary watching the
council's or in parks in this County that are important
and don't know how we could do that effectively but I think
the school should be involved think it's something that we
should celebrate and if it's no objections of Lake Gaston
County staff if they can meet with the CAC group to see how
they can partner with them too. That will get the word out
resolution of support and see about celebrating the arts in
this County for the last 30 years.
>> One object some great with that madam chair was in my
report, thank you thank you so much district 2.
>> Thank you very much, madam chair, I want to remind
everybody. There is a public meeting on the slide, the road
extension from along without pay on September 19 to 06:00PM
he devoted to read them all community room at 1700 Oviedo
mall, the Ward. As and commissioner dallari is and my
district and so those that want information on that roadway.
That's the time and place to be.
Also September 21st my district 06:00PM with Wickham road
Graham road drainage improvement. We will be at
Danville which is way out to my fellow commissioners want to
come out too.
A real part of the country. Good plays and some even the
Danville that areas as
finally recovered for the most part since Ian since the
flooding and
you know Dan has been
very very good to the community in opening up his place for
those folks that were flooded out of Lake Harney we we thank
Dan Shaw for printmaking that place available.
Also on the project opioid good work for our sheriff Dennis
lemma who gave a press conference this morning that
you know for the first time in many many years, the opioid
crisis of deaths due to overdose have reduced the 11 to
11 at percent in the 2 County area of orange and Seminole
I think that's because of the great work that the sheriff's
office is known as well as this commission help fund that
initiative so that's that's worked. Well, Don
also want to give ourselves a good found the back with
9/1/2023 stacker publications name Seminole County has the
best County in the state of Florida raise a family.
Again and asked that
first time you know it's not so it speaks.
You know going for school system are elected us and our
community as a whole working together for for the best
outcome of of everyone.
If there is no.
No opposition I would like to ask staff to look at the
floodplain ordinance
due to hurricane Ian and some things that have cropped up in
through board white lights. Something I don't think we
realize you could have happened based on a cost analysis.
Now we evaluate.
The 50% I'll requiring a complete raising of the
building. We're says rebuilding of the building.
And we're using a property appraisers number which is far
below market value and we're using a state guideline which
is not even closely remotely to the reality of the square
footage actually happening in our geographic area.
>> And I feel like I remember you bringing this up prior.
And I thought we'd said look into it maybe didn't really say
that okay and I don't remember how long ago it was so out of
the year ago no no.
>> Well, you know it was probably 6 months on Sunday for
me.
>> Communication with good haha.
>> This would you like miss hammock to address, she's watch
are way down to the podium. Yes talks.
>> For the record and services director and just to clarify
with regards to the floodplain ordinance it gives you 3
options understood lining the valuation of the building and
right there you have to comply with the new 5. I'm playing
regulations. So one of those is the property appraiser's
valuation and then you can actually go to the property
appraisers have and have then adjusted for Mark right market
value and then the 3rd option is to get an independent
appraiser right so those options are in the code
currently and in this particular case with the one
property owner we've been working with
>> they chose to get their independent so serves the
benefit of my fellow commissioners I test drove this
Wharton's
it has cost
the property owner, $1400
to go get their own appraiser and that was at a huge discount
because they knew somebody who knew somebody could become
actually to regional one.
The adjustment from the tire of the property appraiser's office
started remotely close to real world Scott the cost per square
foot.
In this case and I think
my goal is our goal should be
is it for going to I think is this is again an unintended
consequence of what we didn't know because we've never really
dealt with that we updated that in 2021. I think it was
is that.
We haven't had a hurricane Ian to the point of the flooding we
had and how impactful it could be
and what will actually cause people to rebuild.
Using a square footage that's legitimately. Mark about it.
You can get a market value for Mister Johnson's office you get
the just value based on his appraisal.
Okay, it's not even remotely close.
And I think our goal should be to help these people. In those
times of need instead of punishing them and say, here's
your options or go spend some money to get around.
That was my my quandary concern
as well as I think there's some things need to be cleaned up
from staff interpretation I think it needs to be.
There should be very little interpretation we should
actually get the intent of what it's there for and
interpretation should be
close to nothing unless it's a meal type.
Gray area of decision-making
which I think is it will help us treat everybody equal under
the law.
>> So what I I would appreciate as if we could get the
ordinance in a briefing time set up with staff to kind of
sit down and again I admittedly have not were reappointed
myself with that ordinance and and I have been hearing
about this but I have not dog and so I would love an
opportunity to have a briefing on.
Any other commissioner.
>> So if if we're considering that we're still in hurricane
season if we're going to advance this in any timely
fashion which I think is what I'm hearing you want to have
happen. The briefing should also include what the potential
solution is to the de Lima if I'm hearing you correctly,
it's not the square footage that we're debating its value
per square foot right to measure to the 50% to give you
an example I I think I get it and it was I actually called.
>> Contractors and the Orlando MSA and said what is the square
footage to build this residential or this commercial
got those numbers compared to what
staff had given us based on the Florida calculation and based
on David Johnson to life starting to close its what is
the price per square foot to build to not place or to
replace to repair bill. It's not the square footage of what
is it that I'm reconstruct joy want 1200 square. Well, there
is a part of the equation because of ordinances.
If you exceed 50%
of the value which obviously based on square footage must
raise the bill.
>> But it's the per square foot dollar amount of arrests under
debate so with that as the basis when we do the briefing
if we could have some options for what is the way to get in
front of this before the next storm that may not be possible.
But if it is possible. Can we try to do that now. Yeah and I
do agree that
the idea that we would know it's not at market value.
If that is the case and and continue to push people to have
to endure yet one more threshold because quite
honestly you can't get people to work after storm in a
location so now you're subjecting residents too out of
towners that are coming in and you know knocking you down when
you're already down. So if if we're going to do a briefing I
actually want the problem and the solution in the same
briefing so that we can actually make the move the item
and I don't know if it's.
>> The home builders Association or some other
entity that annually we should be looking at well or put in
the ordinance that that would be the bar for our region to
look at.
That's a portable reliable.
>> Outside of that. I think that's it all right.
>> And for district 4. I have an appointment to make of
Cynthia Kingston to the Committee on Aging as the
community representative for the term ending 12/31/2024.
And let's start a full second term to and 12/31/2027 so we're
fulfilling the remainder of the term and then serving another
term second.
Any discussion all those in favor say aye aye any opposed
motion passes unanimously, thank you,
I'm like all of you I would probably had arm will have an
opportunity to meet the clerk's new inspector general Randy
donley came from the greater Orlando aviation authority is a
delightful man. He seems like he's really excited to be here
in Seminole County and and working with the Clark talked
about the importance of the independence of that office and
that job and and so.
It was it was great to get to meet him and hear some of the
opportunities that we may have to work together.
I did a little video for our transportation 2045. Plan as we
see a started talking about doing the public outreach and
communication getting feedback. So you may or may not see that
I haven't seen it so it gets hopefully it is terrible staff
decided not to circulate it.
I also have an opportunity to meet with representative plus
nca talking about our legislative priorities was at
my first opportunity to meet her throughout the entire
campaign season we never wound up in the same place same time
and that was my first opportunity to actually meet
her in person and she was I'm very passionate and excited
about getting to know Seminole County better and on
recognizing even though there's only a very small portion of
our County that she represents very excited to be a part of
our delegation and I think Trisha has already worked with
her and her team. She's kind of looking to us as
she wants to learn about some some things different topics
and she sees a subject matter experts on a couple of
different areas could as to our team for that and so I know
that we're working on setting up those types of
meetings for her and wish you could have briefings with our
staff.
Of course as you all know we had our little brush with
idalia and I'm glad that it was it was a little bit of a trial
run if you will. It was those kinds of storms are always so
hard because you want everybody to be prepared because you
don't know how that last month the little turn might may go.
But then you always run the risk of being the boy who cried
Wolf. And so I'm I'm thrilled that we didn't have the serious
effects here, but of course as all of you we're keeping them.
The Big Bend area. And our prayers were talking earlier
about Perry.
Trip down I 10 this weekend and just it looks like a war zone.
It was this.
Pretty bad. It was there 2 hours after hit.
>> On I 10 and had to turn around and drive 40 miles back
to I 75.
18 wheelers were backing up in reverse for 8 miles to get to
an accident turn around and go back the other way it was
pretty pretty interesting shift the good work areas.
>> I also have the opportunity to meet with secretary Tyler
who's our district 5. Fdot secretary
really has been some great conversation around bright line
and the sunshine quarter and sunrail and I'm Darren is going
to be setting up a time for us to have a briefing for our team
sue to meet with some of his team and and really kind of
figure out what some of the timelines are I'm I'm still
learning some of these item so it was great to get a briefing
with him directly and I think we'll have I don't know if
that's on the calendar year not reach out to.
We also had and
miss Johnson Mister Swanson
this arm Berg
Mister.
And Mister Johnson from Health Department we and gabby melts
from the Seminole so water conservation district we had a
powwow talking about how we can better utilize and communicate
to our private well
folks and and it was
really largely around
discussion about how to just
encourage and educate private, well owners to be responsible
for the quality of their water for everything in the water and
and it was we had some good things that came out of that
discussion and I know that there will be follow-up on that
as well and I'm looking at her shop just because she's sitting
down there. But
it was a really good conversations and the Seminole
soil and water group is
very well equipped and very much, I'm willing to
participate in anything that we have they have a a volunteer
base, I'm ready to roll and when we should definitely avail
ourselves of that we're going to do that.
I had an opportunity to speak with the leadership Seminole
government session pass, 33
was a really fun great in this room and thank you to Jeremiah
who drove a little bit for me on the 5
website was pulling up some stuff some apps and what have
you for some of the things I talked about him. It was really
it wound up staying whole day and I have never done
leadership Seminole as a class participants. My schedule clean
was open and I want to just sit here and see what what is this
animal and I will tell you our staff members did such a
phenomenal job of representing this County and going through
all of the different activities for the day there is a mock
County Commission meeting where they did their urban bear
management ordinance though with different commissioners
play different roles. They cite in your seat, so if your chair
was moved commissioner, dallari I have of the person who is who
moved my chair.
It really was a fantastic day and the edge of the
constitutional some. The clerk was not able to attend was out
of town that each of the constitutional came all of the
7 city mayors were here. A wonderful discussion between
commissioner and India from Casselberry and the city
manager from Sanford and talking about that relationship
and one of the things that I think the sheriff really it
identified that
what with is worth repeating is how important the success of
Seminole County is and the the feeling of community isn't in
this County based on the relationships and the trust
that we have and it was evident throughout the day as each
group came in. And spoke. There was an ease and a
familiarity even if there were some you know some kind of fun
little jabs among the mayors and it's clear that we all get
along very well and and we all respect one another even though
we may disagree on some different items and I think the
class came away, feeling that to and so I felt really good
about that and daryn of course is in the class so he was.
I was a participant I got to see who played me.
And what you think he did a great job, he said a look into
it haha
commissioner look at the.
We
Amen to that one last.
Commissioner Constantine talked about the upcoming fact
conference I really do hope that any of you have an
opportunity to to pop in and out throughout the day there
will be tours I think it would be kind of fun for you to see
Seminole County through the eyes of these 149 other County
commissioners from around the state. The fact that we're
hosting this and we'll have so many commit elected officials
here from around the state with from different from you know
miami-dade to party Hsu Washington. I mean every
demographic you can possibly imagine, I think it will be fun
to see them. In our County and and hear some of the feedback
and what
how people see our County through their eyes so it will
be sure and get the itinerary to you if there's an
opportunity for you to this town where the county to raise
a family. Yeah, and I have many times.
The
commissioner dallari is has graciously agreed to attend on
our behalf, the MPO meeting on Wednesday because each of us
has a commitment with the fact
convention or or has some other commitment and so thank you
commissioner, dallari so much for your letter this week it
was sent.
I don't know if I'm
I've seen it. I think that was sent to Mister happen, but we
can make sure you get a copy.
So thank you again for that appreciate it.
The conversation that we had surrounding that the rezone
that was in commissioner dallari as district and our
last meeting there was a lot of discussion about parents
parking and some of the it and I don't remember the name of
the neighborhood and I feel terrible Mustang way us the
best way to reach out to the neighborhood that was there and
they were really concerned about the parking so I I did I
had a meeting with soup superintendent deman on another
topic and so I went ahead and brought that up and she has
assured me that they are going to be working on that item and
so I expect I'll get an update on that and I will let you all
know what I hear from her
but I did want to follow up and let you all know that I did do
that.
This was hor and I met with some community members
yesterday. As I told you there were some concerns about the
canvassing board composition. There was a resolution that was
drafted by some members of the community. We talked about that
briefly, one of our board meetings. I told you that I
that I was willing to meet with them and we would talk about
their concerns and we did that yesterday. There are a variety
of things that that Kate was about an hour and a half long
meeting. Lot of good ideas were exchanged have a much better
idea of what their concerns are at the end of the day the
county attorney confirmed for us that we've done everything
statute within the statutes everything we have done is
legal. So we may have some follow-up yet to come from that
but I just wanted you to know that we did do that and that we
have confirmed that everything that we have done has been
completely within the bounds of the law. Anything you want to
add to that
the other thing I asked that the county attorney to look at
and I just want to let you know that I've asked it because I
don't ever want to feel like I'm giving direction without
the consent of the board.
One of the things that came up in the conversation with the
new inspector general she is the fraud waste and abuse
hotline.
There's there's a fraud waste and abuse.
Opportunity through the clerk's office or through the inspector
general and then we also have for our employees. A hotline
type number if employees have concerns that are employee had
Seminole County government employees.
And it the conversation just court sort of evolved into
well, we know what Seminole County employees, we know where
citizens can can submit concerns but if you're an
employee of a constitutional officer and you have a concern.
What is that recourse to use the clerks to use ours to go to
the governor de like where where do you go and as you all
know we've had those conversations over the last
many years that never it's never really been that specific
of the conversation that I've had
well with a constitutional officer with
with the inspector general on that topic so I asked if the
county attorney wouldn't mind just looking at what are the
options and Willie Gulley what would the past be fry employee
of a constitutional office too
to submit a concern if it's not to the county find then where
is it and I do that kind of
some rises
are there any can any
concerns with the county attorney looking into that okay
all right
that
what is it that's all I have.
>> And if we had no yes commissioner Constance truck
just wanted to get back on a couple of things he said
because it's important to reiterate first of all I know a
lot of you are busy tomorrow and tomorrow it's going to be
touring in and for the Florida Association counties and many
of you won't be able to do that.
Thursday all the day's going to be policy meetings and if you
can pop in at any one of that time it's going to be kind of
like a committee of the whole and so most of the most of the
commissioners will be there on and the various policies,
I know that our our secretary of transportation and Jared
Perdue came from district 5 as of late is going to be there to
30 for for a meeting with the community affairs and community
urban Affairs Committee and each one of the committees it
we are going to be meeting separately so you could go to
whatever committee they're not there's not going to be they're
not going on simultaneously they all be one then another
then another sort of be going all day.
The other thing that you mentioned, and I just wanted to
bring it up when you talked about leadership and it was
going to bring this up after the county manager says went
through the program because I thought that he would have a
keen a keener inciting this
before covid
we have just started and I think Mister Hyde was part of
that we just started a citizens Academy.
And it was revised we've had before it kind of like going
away and then we have all talked about doing it again and
I you know I I I don't want to throw another burden on the
staff right now, I know men
I'm County manager is in and all the staff is trying to get
themselves together, but I really think that that would be
something that would be beneficial to revise and and
bring back because I know that so many people told me you know
in those first couple of meetings it was wonderful they
enjoy it.
But more importantly just like the. Commissioner Lockhart said
it really is something
get them involved in the in in in the county government.
7 that's that's on the same. Just a warning some of them
might run for office after they do that.
>> Here.
>> Oh gosh commissioner.
>> I do want to just point out something that we approved
today, it was time sensitive I didn't pull the item
consciously but
when when we write contracts, we should always be looking for
a termination clause and a termination for breach caused 2
different things.
And it is exceptionally important when we ask for a
long-term agreement in exchange for reduction in price
to make sure that there's a termination for breach class in
there.
And we had one that passed through today, and I did raise
the question I did communicate with the team that did it it
was a constitutional officers agreement it was time sensitive
so I didn't point the dollar amount is he's not sure I can
tick but as of as of.
As a vendor when
you ask for a multi-year agreement
and you lock me into a fee
when I can't deliver on it and I know you still have to pay
that fee.
It opens up the opportunity to cut corners.
And so we should not do that to ourselves and I just thought
I'd bring it up because I look for those types of termination
clauses in our agreements to I haven't noticed it this one.
It just was absent and so I realize that you know those
things come to us for approval, but at the end of the day.
We have to get business done in there for a lot of past but I
just want to put that out there as a best practice that should
not be ignored.
That's not the first time.
So look at that.
>> We have no future agenda items cracked do we have any
members of the public who wish to speak on non agenda matters,
okay, any one who neglected to fill out a form who would like
to address the board.
I
Melanie thank you we'll miss you.
So we actually we're just going to recess are meeting at this
afternoon and will reconvene at five-thirty fire public hearing
on the budget right.