>> To,
>> to,
>> the evening.
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okay, we're ready for first time.
>> Good evening for the record in 2 games being in development
item number one is a side yard is a request for side yard West
setback variance from 10 feet 2 and a half feet N to a rear
yard setback variance from 30 feet to 3 feet for par with the
single family dwelling district. And the academy Oaks
subdivision located at one 49 County Oaks place. The existing
shed is 240 square feet to purchase 7 it required West
Side yard setback and 27 feet required rear yard setback.
3 letters of support were submitted from the residents
throughout the neighborhood we did not receive a letter of
support from the neighbor that will be directly affected the
code enforcement violation, 23 dash one o 5 was issued
for the structure resulting in the necessity of the staff and
there have not been any prior variances for this.
>> Wheeler property. Any questions for staff.
Is there too.
Report the
logic for the variance request by the owner was that this was
an existing location that was already damaged and replaced.
So we need to we have a previous permit for the
original show that there wasn't there wasn't.
Any other questions that yes follow-up question on that one.
When you asked if there is a previous permit for the shed
are we talking about a building permit or variance I was there
was a building permit for a very nothing of the sort
nothing understood thank you.
We take any other questions.
What is the applicant present.
>> Is there anything you would like to have the staff comments
if so I need you to come to the front you don't have to
70 United moment.
Okay, do we have any questions for that.
Mister chair I would yes of so many did come forward.
Please come to the podium Sir, thank you.
We had one coming up here. Recorded no worries. Thank you
please state your name and address originally is John one
49 the Cabinet, the space of 2 months rains, Florida, 3,
2, 7, 1, 4,
>> I'm just you know I read the staff report in your logic was
that there was an existing shed damaged by that with recent
storm that was just replaced.
When you replace that did you do not hold permit for it,
you know you have so many buildings that you build it and
I just kind of there was just a tiny structure there.
>> That Beach things in and I wanted to do something bigger
and better because as I stated in the form by a professor of
them come in and I really wanted more storage for.
>> Rocks and things of that nature, so I said I might as
well just do something substantial to that that so no
permit was the reason I was asking is you know obviously we
we try to look into why things were built, you know if it was
built by a contractor he should have known the full permit.
Oh yes, you know, we understand sometimes, but you know just
kind of we understand you know.
A New Hampshire was built in its place but without her I
understand that yes that's correct. Yes Sir thank you.
>> And if it's over 200 square feet requires the same setback
as the House right. That's what well I've been instructed asked
for me.
A certain point after yes, Sir is there any existing concrete
pad or anything underneath.
>> Yes it is OK. This is the same size of the should big or
small, it's it's the same size now.
>> I just want to get in the boat was you know that
a country that was there when having just and I had more
actually just too because it was kind of weak right into the
reckoning.
>> That just opened it it so I guess my question is we've got
other folks here from tonight in an interview that minds up
it turns out that this kid go forward with exactly how it's
being submitted sure can you still couldn't maybe extend the
pad and maybe build it within the permitted. No that's what I
did is I literally just
since it was.
>> That corner that my eyes are set on had no idea that you
know this would occur.
Probably just now, but no I had already
make sure that that's where it would go back.
Thank you Sir, yes, Sir.
>> And even if it was 200 square fees still require a 10
foot setback on the underside and.
>> Yeah, it's kind of my parents as well be honest
because I was under the impression that the shed didn't
need a permit. So.
New questions.
>> Yes, the question is certainly I see that you have
submitted letters of support from various neighbors. Yes,
you're subdivision but interestingly enough not
neighbor on.
Decide for joining the shed. Yes did you seek support from
this neighbor.
>> The deadlines to get as I'm the person that is in question
I do believe he's here and his wife and I had a confrontation.
So I just stayed away from that
understood
you're question.
Thank you Sir, absolutely thank you. Israel when John's say the
game. That is chairman so you're fine
is there anyone else to speak in support of the request.
Okay, Mister Travis Roy
this come on down to is you person in support.
Come on down to it. I think is you're trying to speak in
support.
I'm up.
>> My name is Bob starts out with that one 43 cameo placed
right next door to Julie son Jason.
I personally have no problem with the shed. I mean they've
been very good neighbors to keep their house a very nice
very neatly and all and I know Julius did need some extra
storage so
that being said I would just like put my $0.2 or to him for
that because as a neighbor. Thank you thank you.
I'm daisha Travis come under.
>> So it just state your name and address or Travis Rory,
a addresses 1, 5, 5, Academy hopes place now.
And there you hear the House's to most affected by the closest
to it. Yeah, OK, what would you like to tell us. Well this is
all started with also the structure being built we've
lived next to each other.
17 years, I've never seen existing shut back there now a
lot of peeking over I can tell you exactly what happened but
there's nothing about the fence line that I've ever seen in
that area.
So we see some concrete in the court also see structure
getting put out in the eve. The roof was closed for my
yard. The eve was put out right in line with his fix. So when
it rains the water runs off his even to my them since my are
what rules are rules.
I just want you know to play within the rules. Recently
we've asked for for us for 4.4 foot variance now asking for 2
and a half the variance well the 2 and a half feet is
because the structures 2 and a half feet off of this tense
moment.
Okay, and I mean it's and I picture show you some pictures,
but you know just comes down to this was put out.
They're now asking for permits and I don't remember ever
seeing the structure back there so this is I don't know how
how true that is but I'll show you pictures.
Final 4 feet because that seems logical but where we're at with
the roof, I originally on the fence line. They sense kind of
accepts the you know permit violation came through. So now
there's no even just go straight down. So you know get
the pictures here but I'm fine with 4 feet. I mean that seems
logical that what normal is when you Park areas, but a 2
and a half feet of this is a pretty good size structure,
they also just popped up.
Okay, so make sure I'm clear if the structure was shipped in 4
feet too so that was 4 feet off the fence line you'd be OK yeah
because I mean I think that's going to result first, but the
way it was originally put out.
The Eagles right at their friends and I mean that's you
know it's
is and this is I understand is the concern the route off the
biggest concern around off the biggest concern second of all
it's not a permanent structure.
I'm not a contractor to I don't see bracing all over the place
and the way this roof is still too I think some of my yard of
this operation correctly with storms and things like that.
So that's the reason for that structure to make sure say for
sure that my other concerns right when they.
>> Apply for a permit after the fact that they have to go
through the same steps of the county that have to be
inspected for proper.
>> Braves and that's why the violation was were the phone
calls made is this is a big structure that is you know I
don't know how you know how sound is
and then the you know the closest to literally having a
waterfall goes you know going into your back account.
You guys want
turning to the settlement.
And it's a question. Yes, Sir
so just to be clear it is your assertion that prior to the
e******* of the structure question.
There was no prior shed. Thank you in your recent memory
here 7 to 10 years of living in this correct I remember seeing
an umbrella. Okay, you know, and maybe some shares maybe
there's that I can't I don't think I ever get a there's a
small pad there that umbrella or something like that song but
from my you know view of the fence. When you see a little
you know should I never saw that side right.
>> Rightmove demise originally they had to ship small hit in
the back it was like can buy 7 and has shorten life and so
it's possible. And I was there last year they have cited a
neighbor for them to do.
Okay any other questions.
But thank you Sir, thank you for your time right is there
anyone else to speak in opposition to the request.
Sir would you like a chance for rebuttal and what he brought
up.
>> First I'd like to thank him for not even over into my
fence, probably would likely see any way I never. The shed
was just like I said with small pad and the contents that we
had was as I stated before was for the theater department so
it's not stuff that I really was most likely would and
things of that nature so the shed was if we says
the umbrellas if we wanted to just go back and sit and every
now and then so yes, it was an existing structure there and we
put it there shortly after we moved and so but it wasn't
anything substantial like we have at the moment as far as
the eve is concerned. We were still in the process of haven't
contractors and subcontractors, but people that we know help
us, you know good thing it did and as you stated we need to
cut that back substantially and I do have pictures on my phone
I won't let them keep, but I will certainly take that
forward to pictures and I can show you guys the pictures.
The there's the everything has been done.
After I was told to to make sure it's done properly the
runoff in there and all that stuff is not
encroach when I when I touched their property. If it does I
personally take care of those expenses, but none of that
will. What I'm asking for it does not any way shape or form
that's what the property at all and try to start with and to
that. I mean I've been neighbors maybe lead to them
for since I've been there since 2014, I would never do anything
that that but you know that's what our immediate neighborhood
to them so that's a little bit. Yeah it's personal but whatever
and I can't remember the last thing that was said, but it's
done properly and it's been billed. You know it's one of
those companies so I think I submitted all the information
so it's it's
during group everything so we'll find out shortly here
that for the county building. Department. Yes, yes, you know
that's been word is there a discussion word can be located
them so you what I was built by somebody that was one of the
main concerns as he's already stated. I've already said that
back substantially. But that was going to happen anyway.
It just kind of jump the gun on me, but it.
>> We appreciate you listening. Yes, Sir services some
follow-up questions, Sir
is the structure capable of being moved, you know this.
Her team prove made again and make sure was.
>> Solid tied to the ground
tied to the fact that like you said I didn't pour more
concrete to make sure that it was done properly.
And I needed am I good size matters for me at this point
because I need that much space for
my boss and things of that nature so the school doesn't
give me I'm actually this expense of my phone as I think
I've already stated in the information as well not that
that matters and sense of in legal or illegally that wasn't
the intent on already stressed that
one other question. Yes, time.
>> In the variance criteria where you had the short answers
to the 6 questions it's earned the first one use certain that
the existing shed was destroyed by Hurricane right. It was just
a little, you know right destroyed by
the hurricane but
I am curious
which hurricane was.
>> It was a couple of hurricanes ago. And I wasn't
the one prior was the one prior to the point where you can
think of the name of it. And we expect this and 2
do anything at the time to be honest just been so busy so
it's always been a dream to build something like I said a
little more with more structure and sound.
I don't I mean anyone should we do to hurt because of what the
name of that was in the one thing.
>> In the Kobe for that that would have been a previous 7,
2,
>> It's all running together to be on this as a fight in the
right now I just remember been destroyed so.
>> The family of 2 questions about this John 3 is sure
as as as rapidly aging sort of let me just say be very careful
anytime someone sends you something that says that
hurricane proof. That's just not just positive. That's just
that's just me.
>> As you stated inspected so they'll see that everything is
properly.
You get to questions of the first is.
>> It just strikes me as interesting and looking at the
photos of the gentleman shared you have a single slow roof on
the should then drains toward your neighbor's property.
And I'm just curious. Why it was built that way as opposed
to draining country road property.
>> 2 is my property and I can show you this not training on
his property and as a matter of fact that's on the ground there
and has a again they asked what the water flow and the
inspectors can come in and see that the water flow to drain
down there's going to be what are you calling governors about
this well and brain drain into the front of my property,
but it's not finished, but not bad Martin, you know that part
of the tractor I don't have a contract on pretty much doing
this with friends and things of that nature.
>> One last question to answer in these 2 gentlemen, my
friends with me because I haven't missions to the but
you never have some disagreements and in at least
for me. I guess because gentleman, the input of
neighbors who object is has a lot of weight. You think
there's any value of you and your neighbor perhaps discuss
and maybe we can come back to it later in this meeting.
>> We think everyone has in mind made problem talking to
Travis. Unfinished thanks. Thank you. Jim, okay, certain
years.
>> Actually answer the question you know, obviously the the
drainage being a point of
regardless whether it's over the fence on the fence. Putting
Garner up obviously would solve that to you know everything
will be done.
>> I mean it's as the human body's stress as well, I don't
do anything tacky unfortunately I again apologize for not we're
doing this, but you know the for my well we have a
discussion that they were questions.
>> Yes, thank you to answer one of the things. Tom less of the
question is more of a observation there is and I want
you to be these sure because I'm not going to vote against
you for this reason the U.S..
It is very common for applicants as part of their
application needs to submit letters of support from people
in the neighborhood.
Sometimes this takes the form of the neighbors of their own
initiative.
Right out a letter in their own words and submitted its to you
this included with your
sometimes the applicant makes it easy for the neighbors to
circulate something simple I state your names that are
actors have a section to this.
Sunday that's it. Yes, Sir
and I saw the 3 letters of support that were included with
your application framing initiated those yes, yes,
okay. So those were
your 3 neighbors got together and collaborated on those of
their own initiative.
>> That's my neighbor Frank I think kuz is in there and he
wrote the letter and
she then shared it with the ones that time
signed off on the bird pretty much saying the same thing is
they didn't feel need to.
I guess.
We tell the same story OK.
Things but thank you Sir, thank you chairman
okay,
we have a motion.
A motion to approve the motion approved we have a second.
This is up for discussion of the discussion I.
>> I make up something that said another meetings I kind of
feel like.
I'm a big fan of investment that property rights.
I think our applicant is being
something's up reading on that level overall largely
reasonable always asking.
But I think a property owner that the neighbor has a right
to stand
on his rights
and and
if the neighbors can work something out great, but if not
everyone has a right to say I want the law enforced as it's
written and that that just that sticks with me.
>> The shed that was there before to me is not really even
an issue that will determine which it was him because it
wasn't preexisting he said they built they put their original
should their themselves to after they moved in.
So should be in place he legally were another leader
should was really the Caney
we value as far as he presents his house where they bought the
House in the show's been there for 50 years.
You know 5 years ago put it up
totally different circumstance. So feel that
the neighbors have a right to expect the maintenance of the
year.
Standards in the community County set and when I went all
the neighbors are 40, that's one thing but when people who
are directly affected by it.
Have an opposition I give that a lot of weight.
>> Something I also give a lot of weight to is whether or not
the structure in question the structure that's up to the
discussion
is already existing or not or if it only exists on paper
implants, it still proposed.
Well it's their yes that is however correctly is a matter
for the building. It's very good arguments exists for why
the structure should not be where it is
I feel that my hand should be forced to
approve something just because well it's already here.
A discussion.
Well, my my
question in this case is
you know based on the discussion from
you know the day for that and Crouch on in this case,
visually whatever you know the drainage issue.
>> Can resolve owners already said he can resolve it by
putting a bittersweet no water would be we distributed to the
adjacent property. Whether the shed is
2 and a half feet over a foot and a half at 4 feet further
away it's not going to change the visual aspect of it.
So I guess my question is
I'm not I'm not seeing the
the road was between one and a half feet
between where it's at now and asking the order to tear it
down and read rebuild it. One and a half feet away so.
In this case, the you know while there's we're trying to
find a a the minimum distance, you know what I'm various
criteria would be.
Again I'm just looking at it that you know we've come up
with a mitigated surface that can resolve some of the you
know adjacent neighbors concerns you know, but you know
we're not going to change the visual aspect. You know
regardless of weather.
>> No they're not real difference between what they
have been that one half feet is the neighbor remove into
action.
We should know that I mean that's it.
>> To me that's the thing that the issue had ways you know I
will I will you know, I guess to him that you know
give priority or not priority but give
credence to people that are in opposition.
There is also a a system in a manner for people to ask for a
variance to those standards so in both cases they both have a
an avenue to pursue so right so but we have a system that's not
a guarantee understand so I never use those words. We we
split the baby sometimes correct.
>> A lot of time that we end up happy I get that
so it's really a case by case based on the facts and
circumstances of how the board members feel about.
>> So that's that's my you know $0.10 for every one take.
I think there's there's also and you guys tell me if I'm
wrong in thinking this is that
this isn't one of those situations we see sometimes
where
but for granting the variance they can't have a ship still on
the ship just give me build on this existing past.
And and so. In that instance, and you add to it neighborhood
a Jax that's just kind of work.
It's just
having more discussion.
Okay, we have a motion
to approve the request.
All in favor of the motion say aye.
Well posed all right, okay motion does not pass
like to put this to bed for good though we have another
motion.
Sheriff to the Moon mission tonight we have a second second
anymore discussion.
All in favor of the motion to deny say aye aye.
All those times okay case through one Sir.
>> Your request is denied you can appeal a decision within 15
days to the Board of County commissioners. If you choose to
he it was staff, they'll be happy to help with that.
Good luck to you.
All right next time.
>> Item number 2 is a request for rear yard setback variance
from 25 feet to 23 feet for an addition in the PD planned
development district and the deer run unit. 8 subdivision
located in at 1472, South when drive.
The proposed addition of a family room and master bedroom
will be 630 square feet and will encroach 2 feet into the
required real yard setback the deer run, homeowners
Association approved the proposed addition and there
have not been any prior variances for the subject
property and this concludes my present.
>> Came questions for staff.
He's had become president.
Good evening. It come on down
please state your name and address for the record.
John Hughes sign that 1472, South wind drive in Casselberry
okay, what would you like to tell us.
Well I for not plan the addition for a long time.
You know, I got several $1000 something to it already between
architectural fees for plans,
I've never imagine variance you know I didn't know there was a
25 foot setback I new way clear of any utility easement and all
that I thought I was good.
So I paid the architects I bought some long lead items
already because they want to hit the ground running
and there really isn't much else to say we were hoping to
put a nice large addition on the House.
Any questions for the Africans.
>> With the prior applicant kind of gives away what
motivates us sometimes can you share with us your
conversations with your neighbors about about the
project.
My neighbors are all fine with the project and in fact,
the vice president of the homeowners Association is here
to speak on my behalf, if you want to hear from them
and appreciate that the neighbor just to be specific
your neighbor directly behind you there, they're OK with it
all my neighbors are fine with that thank you Sir.
Any other questions
okay, thank you. Sir alright, is there anyone to speak in
support of the request.
Come on down Sir.
Please state your name and address.
>> My name is Denise ruling. That's are you the I
that would directly across the street from John 14 6 to 7 and
Southwood drive.
I'm the vice president of the homeowners Association and the
eagle's nest. I also share the architectural committee and
you're right.
John submitted a letter of request to the architectural
committee.
And a copy of MS.
Architectural presence and what his intentions were
and not only did the architecturally committee agree
unanimously but short of the executive board of the
homeowners Association.
We see no problem with it they will be in action to the
neighborhood.
And no negative effect to the neighborhood whatsoever that
any questions.
>> Thank you Sir. Well as anyone else to speak in support
of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
Okay, we have a motion Mister chair motion to approve second
and the improve second any discussion.
All in favor of the motion say aye aye.
Closed motion carries disapproved could lead to
you're in addition.
>> All right next item item number 3 is request for a side
Street West setback variance from 25 feet to 11 feet for a
fence and the R one a single family dwelling district and
the Stanley and a spring subdivision located at 9.90 can
Polish treat subject property is a corner lawn considered to
have 2 front yards for setback purposes, the front of the
House faces compel a street and the Seminole Avenue side is
where the variance is being sought traffic engineering has
to objections, the placement of the fences that relates to cite
visibility.
Fans will be 17 feet from the sidewalk and 24 happy from the
edge of the men there not been any prior has for the subject
property and
>> any questions for staff
is the applicant present
is there anything you would like that
come on them.
Please state your name and address.
>> Hello, my name is Jan I live at 9, 9, 0, camp Alice Street.
I live by myself and 2 dogs and this is a first House I bought
but in 2020.
What about the House there was offense they're in a storm came
and blew it over to get your so later, I don't remember which
one it was.
I wanted to put a fence up again after I got it removed
and I realize that was not able to do that and also my neighbor
behind me. She because she's been there for 30 years she
told me that she was potentially getting fined of
her fan says she went to the variance process just a couple
months ago she did get approved and she encouraged me to go to
this process.
Her name is Melissa, she's elderly. I so I didn't have her
write a letter because I I didn't realize how important
that was but
basically just one of the fence because my bedroom door is
right there. Says French stores and that Street is pretty busy
and also there's a lot of people out you know.
We go by there and I I would like to put a fence for privacy
and for safety reasons.
You can listen trip.
We have this.
>> The discussion tonight is it going is going to be in the
exact same places the fence that was blown down.
>> The fence was blown down was.
It was I'm sorry, I'm trying to have a hard time so there's
like my pool screen and then there was like a wooden fence.
There's some like break half and then there's some pavers
that do landscaping and then it was like behind that so yes,
it is supposed to be where that was but it's also extending a
little bit forward to.
>> But but but no closer to the sidewalk into the street.
From the other love it might be like a foot or so closer.
I don't exactly remember where was it wasn't standing up very
well to be and secure.
I thank you.
They hear the questions.
All right. Thank you.
Is there anyone to speak in support of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion
chair motion to approve the motion to approve a second any
discussion.
>> And I just add I rode my bicycle through that down that
road all the time well it was big loops and there's some
sidewalk a lot for offenses a lot patience. I want them at
with that I think that or even notice or fence, some of them
right up on it for you.
>> And not only that but the immediately adjacent to the
edge of the sidewalk. There is a 6 to 12 inch concrete
retaining wall that separates the greed of the sidewalk from
the applicant yard so any impact to pedestrians from the
presence of defenses
it's not already going to be a fact that the U.S. is that they
set up a hill.
And though that core well taken.
There's no discussion.
>> All in favor of the motion say aye aye posed motion
carries its approved good luck to you.
All right next item.
>> Item number 4 is a request for a side street South setback
variance from 25 feet to 17 feet for workshop in the R one
a single family dwelling district
and the winding cope, 7 Asian located at 2399, winding Cove.
The workshop will be 400 square feet and will encroach 8 feet
into the required side streets set and will be for personal
use only the winding Cove homeowners Association has
approved the proposed workshop.
One letter of support was received from the neighbor
located at 2391, winding Cove.
I knew that your surf report says there was not any prior
variances for the subject property. I accidently light up
Tom hopping on a one previous variants was approved for the
side streets, a buck for the fence.
And 2013
was that my cousin Titian.
>> And then a question for staff.
His African president.
Same thing you like the answer
come on that.
Please state your name and address and they're just 23 not
indict Juan Cole will be 2, 3, 2, 7, 6, 5, they would you like
to tell us so between my house my neighbor's House
through this process I found out there's a utility easement
there
and then on the back facing palm way kind of desert rain
east of there. So utility easement can be a drainage
easement 20 feet. So I'm pretty well and in terms of where I
can put a building and because it's a corner lot explain to me
that have
was considered to be to find so I'm getting more restricted in
terms of being able to use that space.
There you to get various for your fence idea and that it
would be inside the past and that's what I hope in the sense
that they're sorry granite for the fans and this will be OK so
the visual attraction is already there.
I mean that would
okay any questions for the applicant.
I think you is there anyone to speak in support of the
request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion
chair motion to approve a second to approve a second any
discussion.
>> Very the motion say aye aye all opposed motion carries
approved love it.
>> All right next item item number 5 is a request by the
Ardmore setback and from 7 and a half feet to 0 fee for 2
sheds and the R one single-family dwelling district
and the main meals orangeville a subdivision located at 1,
0, 0, 3, 2, bear Lake road.
Both sheds are 56.2 5 feet and will encroach 7 and a half feet
and to the required side yard, your stuff back. The sheds were
built without a permit code violation, 22 dash 1, 7,
1, on the adjacent property to the north by Seminole County
motions will be relocated to the applicant's property.
One letter wrist. Support was received from the neighbor at
1628, fairly crude.
And one letter of opposition was received from the neighbor
located at 1, 0, 0, 2, 6, bear Lake road that was submitted in
your package.
On January 23rd of 2023. A variance was approved for a
side yard setback variance from 10 feet to one foot from boat
dock.
And on 10/30/2006 a variance was approved for North side
yard setback from 7 and a half feet to 5 and a half feet
and a side yard South setback from 7 happy to 4 and a half
feet for single family residence.
This concludes my presentation if you have any questions,
I'd be happy to answer.
>> And the question for staff to share its or charcuterie and
I know you're in your staff report that indicated that the
shows were built they were built on 2 County property.
Yes.
They were already going to have to be moved.
Correct me if they do have to be really have to be moved and
I still there.
On the county property. I don't know that.
So the my question is is is that we see the
this was assuming determined by that.
>> Code enforcement inspector until things code violations so
they have to submit building permits and relocate the sheds
obviously they can keep them there, we've got some property
and I believe that's a drainage.
>> I guess my my question and it's sorry there's a lot of
words to get to this one question but
the fact that there was a encroachments
has to be resolved.
I'm assuming there was discussions with the applicant
that that I'm hoping there was at least I'm just trying to
determine why did we come up with 0, you know, I mean the
point here is that we're trying to make the minimum don't know
why I just yeah I was going with that is that yeah, one
foot one foot variance you know why we came to 0, I think is
if we're going to move it.
Opportunity year not to say we're putting rent on the
property line
want to see if there was any discussion not with Pete.
Thank you sorry that was like said a lot of words just as.
Yes, Sir, no Sir, Mister Hadley.
Good question.
>> There there's there's a a letter in opposition about
backing from Mister ask you and and he mentions
Jean what he had said that this is going to interfere with
future County access to its land and I guess potential
difference with drainage does stevan any level that all of
her have any concerns about if they're placed here and only
here for a month with the county wants to do.
>> Just going based off his email that he sent to me and my
response to him I did speak to engineering
and because it sounded like his concern the neighbors concerned
with drainage
I asked them how would it be an issue if it's a 0 and they said
they is it going to be on caught, you know they had tons
of questions as an engineer would. We don't know how the
drainage going is going to be on skids it going to be on
concrete.
But I don't have any plans so I can show them anything there.
I think they can answer your question. Right and I did speak
to the applicant to ask her what they were asking me if
they had pictures and and she sent me this is what she had I
am that the force from wood but she would be willing to put
them on skids of if it would be it wouldn't be a drainage issue
it doesn't have to necessarily be on a slab
but that's really the extent of the conversations.
>> Thank you and yours that sorry
was it any other question I was going to ask for these pictures
representative of
what they look like right now. Yes, yes, okay, thank you,
I mean obviously as the applicant question here but
comes up
that the reason why goes back to that asking for us 0 foot
setback puts it to the building side.
Not the overhang so the over and still approach is over the
property line.
>> I don't know if the back of the shed still doesn't matter
and I'm just the back of the sheds face whether or not
there's an even the back yeah.
>> I do that's why I saw one of the front just assumed probably
one of the back too.
Well, no further questions or requests. Chan.
>> The opposition letter states that the county intends to
install a fence along the property line between the
county property in the property, the applicant to your
knowledge is that going to happen, I have no idea right.
I wouldn't
and one other question you mentioned in your conversation
with the author of the opposition letter that they
were Mister ask you was an engineer is that correct.
We mentioned it.
>> Did you know, I spoke to engineering use. And sorry,
we understood
is the applicant present.
Oh come on down to I know there's going to be questions.
Please state your name and address came in the we are 1,
0, 0, 3, 2, bear Lake road. Apopka
these are my 2 sons and Kate, my consultants
tonight they were OK what would you like to tell us. So to
answer some of your questions the sheds are still there.
When they purchased the home they were there so I did not
they were built by the 2 previous owners, I did not
place the shots there.
Once been there for 16 years the other one's been there for
almost 10 years.
They've never caused any train edge issues. I've lived there
for 3 years.
Especially with the storms that we had last year
in terms of this year. Foot setback. Request back because
they're 7 p down to the county property. I have to
very narrow 50 foot line fi
135 foot.
That's my request to see Sept
my house was built in 1959 and have a carport, I don't have
the crimes.
So I have a lot of their storage.
>> Questions this was a way of minister very narrowly tailor
question because what neighbors talking about neighbors beyond
just this couple talking about this. But we do have a letter
of opposition from from Mister ask you correct and it is Larry
pushes addresses water Park Florida.
I believe that's where he worked. I was right so it does
he live next to you you and you know, yes okay, haha I didn't
and that's just I understand the question and the answer is
that right. Thank you Sir.
>> Okay you questions, Mister chair, yes Sir
I've obviously had brought up the
to meet the required said that we wouldn't be here but
typically what we try to look for is
the minimum request and what you're asking for is the
maximum request. We think we've done as staff indicated we have
done some previous variances for the property that at least
gave us a foot buffer right off of the property line. So the
question is going to be is you know you're these are having to
be moved, yes, moving it to a foot.
The line is that.
>> This is that the question now I would be willing to do
that.
>> Yeah that's what I just my heart, I'm with granting the
maximum very understood. Yes understood. Yes and no I
would not that we've set a precedent but you know there is
there is some consistency on this lot better already.
We provided so.
>> We take it and furthermore that the sheds in question had
not even been moved yet so at this time we still have
the ability flexibility too move the sheds at know yes,
real detriment to yourself correct.
How far is the overhang off the back.
>> There is no upper hand I sure that it's lush to the back
to the roof and I printed some pictures pre if you if you want
them to want to do during his.
It's on my sons. We just and all submitted to the club so we
don't have.
>> I want to ask as we told you the food was OK and then turn
that he had a 2 foot overhang you're still over the county
property. So.
>> A top opponents Commission on.
We pushed me.
>> That's the rear. Yes, the UK. So there's there's a slight
we're going to we're not talking anything more than a
foot in sight.
Looks like 3 to 6 inches.
It's meant for him for the title of the for the sessions
they just to the questions for the applicant. You're fine.
I just said that they had another question 3 I think
we're good all right. Thank you very thank you have a seat
is there anyone to speak in support of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion.
>> A motion to approve the condition that in lieu of the 0
foot setback, it is a one foot setback. Minimum, however,
that needs to be worded Holly that the injury.
>> We have a motion to approve a one foot setback Metro.
We have a second any discussion
and you would like us to repeat the motion if that's possible.
Just ahead, some of his a motion to approve the request
but modified to a one foot setback Mo 0.
Okay and Mister head away from the second district.
We have no discussion all in favor of the motion say aye aye
posed motion carries us approved with a one foot
setback from the property line.
Now as for to you in the county to prove what one foot. You
might they might require survey. Seriously, yeah,
I'm okay.
I'm sure they did when they found out was on their
property. Yes, all right.
Okay, next item.
>> Item number 6 is a request for a 5 yard, I know the staff
reports a side street but it is a front yard. Setback variance
from 25 feet to 16 feet fun addition in the R one a single
family dwelling district and the Tanglewood section 3
subdivision located at 1875 me would road.
The proposed garage edition will be 624 square feet and
will encroach 9 feet into the required side Street South
setback there not been any prior variances for the subject
property and this concludes my presentation.
Questions for staff.
It's African president.
Come on down.
>> Please state your name and address what you record 1875 me
woodrow's winter Park. Same thing you like to add to the
county comments. So it's this will be in addition is just I'm
extending there's the House was built in and 1955, I believe
54. It's a family residence been in the family since then
since 19 56 AM and here's just a carport there that is the
original car ports were taking the existing structure and just
moving it out towards the end of the driveway, more to the to
the front of the House at auction it looks like at the
House to insist on that funky and you you actually be within
the setback and that is correct. Yes.
>> Is it going to be a carport know it's going to be a garage
is it going to be attached to the existing House.
>> Yes, because all we're we're not getting anything to that
structure. This there are then replacing that the beams and I
just want to ensure because that would it wouldn't be
allowed for a variance if it if that weren't the case I just
wanted to make sure to be clear thank you for the prom.
The question should a half.
But yes.
>> It's not clear to me, I'm it's obvious that you're going
to put the garage where the car port is now but he's the garage
going to stick out more from the House the car port does
now.
>> Where is it going yes, that's where the variance is
asking for because of the way this and you see the latest at
the setback runs through a it's kind of hard because the way
the line is drawn. Well, yes, I saw that I couldn't tell on
here where the existing carport is it's right where that 20
foot a foot is that his that's existing carport right now OK
got it so that actually tip of the existing carports it's
right on the edge of the setback.
That right edge.
So you're asking for additional 9 feet yet to come out into the
driveway understood more okay.
>> Any other questions, Mister chair to serve the public.
Well as you can that you may go back to Steph so just so this
is the engineer me the drive me crazy so
the 16 foot dimension is based on
the the 16 foot to mention is what we're using as to what we
need for the encroachment for the variance request.
A 16 foot to mention that showing there
which normally be perpendicular to the building line that will
make sure that we're not 14 and a half because somebody
measured.
Well with the structure
to make sense.
>> So so we measured right on the on the angle that is
sitting in now to the edge of the of the property line if you
will so I think I understand your question and I think it is
I think that 16 Friday is correct. But I'm not 16 foot is
measured along the building like a lot of the building line
to the front of that which means that
the perpendicular distance toward the measurement is to
the building offset many less than 16 feet, yes, and yes,
you may need to validate that make sure that the various that
we're proposing is correct.
>> If they need anything less than what was advertised,
they have to reapply for another variance.
>> But that's why I'm trying to avoid so. So we want to make
sure that I also code enforcement, you know if you've
already built. Yes, nothing is built nothing's OK so my
question is not trying to delay or that's a great question,
but you know if you if you use that dimension and that's what
we're using for the variants that you build it like that and
they come back and inspect it they're going to tell you that
you are 14 to 2 and a half feet longer than usual to the.
So I make sense again I was asking the question but so are
we.
So clarify this one says as the county.
>> Are you going to measure the variance on the angle of the
building were at the closest point close his point that
variance is going to be incorrect. You're going to have
to re advertise it to build it like that and come back so the
closest point to to wear since we since we measured the motion
to take it to the top of the line, we are in Detroit,
we're going to do some trick or treats.
We take take that one you just never gave up on that request,
but he of what we're saying yes, I think it's because he's
correct. It will not be built in the correct place the
building inspectors, first thing to do is without a
better.
And unfortunately could be right.
>> We can't fix this issue for you tonight because we can't
grant you more than you ask for your application.
Yes, so that if I'm looking at right are probably less which
would be the same this be more correct.
We can because it's going to be. Well he has to. Well that's
my next question is from that re advertise had a different
amount I don't know the process for that
if you start.
>> So not from. Catch by the way that was great West and
that's that's unfortunately the patient reportedly show that he
can show case it rises.
So that's my jam.
>> So then ask you a question whether discussing that.
So our information so in this case he's going to have to re
advertise it and come back to they have to reapply for
totally new variants ers that the continuation of this one as
he gladly pay the fees if we continue it can be amended
before the continuing that's.
>> We're in it is because NASA has more.
2 can be discontinued.
>> One without having to do all public.
We can work with.
>> 5 when so I guess here's my question for you, yes, let on
so technically what do you need us to do with it we'll continue
it.
He withdraws it he would probably mean you tell us point
of an issue.
I'd love to not pay $300 again and find out for you.
>> This is what you can do and state continue I am with that
we go live. I notice.
So OK with it when you to continue it means that they
don't have to do it but continue it stated that they
still have to do that it will cover it.
>> Such as when we get somebody who we don't think those are
properly and continue it.
So can we get a motion to continue it we're going to fire
notices summit.
All right a discussion.
All in favor of the motion say aye aye all right is Kerry's so
this is your chance to do your math higher mathematician you
know
and find out exactly what your variance is
a suggestion is if you're not sure you might even ask for
this into a little bit extra just wasn't to be positive.
So my question then would be his said, and I thought as he
stated that asked for 16 million, it's only 14,
it's just as bad as it faster 14 waits to know.
>> I always asked last. I always say
>> as for 16. And it's the only
okay, we're yes for a 16 foot variance okay and then ends up
not needing as much so you put it.
18 feet away from the House and says 16 from the street or
property line. Okay, okay said there's no penalty but you
can't move closer. We've got the right to the property line
and that's where the issue is I would suggest coming off the
court that house that put the stake.
Why would a part of that structure is going to be
and then figure out your property line is
we'll read some string and make it
perpendicular to the mayor and top that the distance will be
less than 16. I can guarantee that to you yeah, okay, okay,
how do I do this well.
I give the county staff and they will help you work through
it all right, we're just trying to save you a lot of a race I
appreciate that very much with all right okay John all right.
Next item.
>> Item number 7 is a request for the rear yard setback air
and this from 10 feet to 3 feet first shut in our won a single
family dwelling district and the Seminole terrace reply
subdivision located at 29, 46 division Street.
The proposed shed will be 100 square feet will encroach 7
feet require it set back on 1/24/2022, side yard, South
setback variance was approved from 10 feet to 3 feet for for
a different side.
And that concludes my presentation
when questions for staff.
The applicant present.
Good evening.
>> Please state your name and address I am Susan Davis 2,
9, 4, 6, division Street in Oviedo. Well some account.
So I'm sorry go ahead as well say would you like to tell.
>> So we we can question. A year ago and you can see it
on this on the side yard. We I I absolutely loved it is
for guarding
so we decide we actually like the other one we live in a
small house less than 1400 square feet so we're trying to
maximize our space.
And
so just
I thought the other one can you know before the workbench and
there and and then in the corner we wanted to put pavers
and they get off pretty and could raised garden beds in
that corner. And so that's why we are back for for a variance
at 3 feet allows allow them to get the lawn mower you have
back there some hacks themselves able to maintain
behind the shed and printed out into the middle
that that 10 feet we have a well put it in them that would
put into them not all of our of the yard.
And when they have to take a lot of the natural vegetation
that my entire yard, it is. So I want to make sure that I
have a corner
to be able to maintain my must excel file.
>> What's on that side of the yard.
On the other than the next property was on that side.
I'm just really behind like know that the shed that is a
vacant yard vacant lot and they get says I've lived there for
27 years.
I can't tell from the Baker always
sometimes it shows treason or the House are lots of air
potato and just over ground. We love you.
Any questions for the applicant.
Is there anyone to speak in support of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion
motion to approve Mister second improve second any discussion
all in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed motion
carries it's approved.
All right next time.
And you know the should can I get you guys just to prove it
right on.
Yes, home is inside your back porch.
>> Neither would come over leaving Kathy Hamilton spoke
planner I'm going to be presenting their variance
request for this team. And the first one is going to be at
3.21 East Highland Street. This is a quest for rear or
side yard setback East area, 10 feet to 3 feet
in order to construct an 18 foot by 45 foot metal are the.
That is 7 feet into the required 10 foot East Side yard
setback.
There has been 2 prior variants is approved for the subject
property on in 2003 it was a rear yard setback in the side
yard setback to allow a 12 by 18 shed.
There's also additional information with this coffee
because they had to
how a home that was on the property.
When that shed was
proved that home now has been removed. So is the new home,
but I wanted the board to know that any variances that we
apply to a piece of property run with the land so even
though at one time that shed shouldn't have been the primary
use
because we knew that another house was going to be
constructed there that shed and the variances then run with the
land.
And that concludes my presentation they questions for
staff.
>> Mister chair and serve just saw it, I just want to click on
the U.S. serve a graphic that we have
they can go back one story, thank you the
various we're talking about is the 3 foot to the Red Square,
not the one that says proposed addition on the other side of
the U.S..
>> And now that survey is of the older House.
Since that House has been removed.
>> Okay, yeah that makes sense. Now. Yeah, you mentioned the
dimensions of the shed that shes not PT my whatever 10 says
30 by something so.
>> Correct, the shed that I'm talking about is on the other
side of the property located on the left side and the rear.
>> Big new questions, yes Sir, yes, I just wanted to put into
the record that I had a question for staff was inserted
40 earlier.
The applicant states that one of the neighbors joining their
property also has a similar car port structure.
>> However.
>> The research was done and there is no approved variance
where that car port.
>> And I know we have this come up a lot of where we have Apple
can see they're coming to our counter to the board saying
well my neighbor had to do this or you know I see the fences
they have in the place that I want to have them and it puts
us and kind of
a unique situation because
they are most likely
weren't allowed to be constructed like that and then
I think what what Thomas talk about them, what is our
responsibility when something comes to our attention and how
it's been handled is that code enforcement it's supposed to be
only complaint faces
unless it's a public safety issue Seminole County we do not
go in.
If we come up with something like this unless somebody
complains about it or to safety issue.
We do not address it.
>> And additionally
that at least personally I'm not handcuffed by influenced by
the president of surrounding properties.
A neighboring property.
His mission is having one of these cohorts but it hasn't
been approved by us then for me any obligation too.
And here to President is out the window.
Tennessee does reliance thing.
>> And so that's we we can help us time to get the confirmation
was this something that was approved by the count right.
>> Now we can still approve or deny on its own merits. But the
president think it's just not a part of the equation more
expected to say.
Any other questions for staff.
The applicant present.
Good evening.
>> Please state your name address Tammy Thomas 3 to one
East Highland Street.
Okay, what would you like to tell us.
>> We have we redid our house we had a fire. A couple years
ago, so it's brand new house. The shed where they're talking
about actually is even there anymore. But the carport that
we're trying to put in we had an RV there for awhile we had
live somewhere else in the RV why we were building the House.
So that's why we needed to have the RV right now.
We have a vote that we're keeping their and an RV but the
carport
is going to be like a nice car port, it matches are black
metal roof.
It's literally
the same roof as the House so we're just looking for
something to cover it.
And we have a permanent driveway. There. Yes, there's a
driveway that was permitted to putin.
>> Have you talked to your neighbor next door was that
yes, actually
>> the neighbor where it's going to be asked and he just
wanted to understand what we're trying to do so she did have a
concern the beginning. She came over explain to her. Why we
needed to put it there because that's where the driveway is
also we have underground gas tank to the other side of it so
that's really the only place that they can go. And once we
explained to her.
What it was she seemed to be fine with it she they thought
maybe we're building with a complete
structure
there was explain to her that it was just a carport just a
metal roof that was going to be covered and she seemed to be
fine. OK.
Any questions you have.
Thank you, thank you.
>> Is there anyone to speak in support of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion Mister chair motion to approve the motion to
approve we have a second.
As they pointed to each other that Mister Hathaway seconds a
discussion
all in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed motion
cages approved.
And that the RV
next item.
>> The next item is at 3316 Sterling make court. It is a
request for rear yard setback variance from 25 feet 2.18
and-a-half feet
in order to construct a 325 square-foot louvered perky left
which will be which it is 6 and a half feet into the required
25 foot rear yard setback.
And now while lakes subdivision
approval from the Alpine lakes architectural review committee
and also I would like to what brings to the board's
attention. This is a very unusually shaped.
>> Life is not a typical square. So the House is also
oriented on the lot.
Fashion so how the actual.
The setbacks were done is trying to com common 8 both of
the unique situations. I am also that
the beer yard in which you're taking the variants from a bus.
Golf course.
And we have
so the neighborhood that's most impacted.
We have their football.
And that concludes my presentation to any questions
for staff.
I have become president.
Good evening. Sir.
>> Have a healthy collection of golf balls and golf course
located and sort out of the firing zone, not I was playing
the real, my swing know, I know, I'm staying behind him
hit the ball and the ball came backwards and hit in the leg.
Yeah, I don't want you out there that knows me. I've got
you
>> a couple of things that I brought along a first can you
state your name and after Christmas and I was 3360
Sterling record in Longwood
and
well, I brought for you to review
is pretty much what you're looking at right there.
The colonel is going on they of the property on the right hand
side of the pool and as you can see by the photograph there and
also by the front and the back of a on the back of what I've
given you
I look out at about 500 yards, a fair way so I don't have a
neighbor in my backyard, the sites that year and so, and
then off to the on the only neighbor I have is on the right
hand side of the property and he is an attorney and his
letter is on attaching the front.
And he states that he has no issues with the Devils yes side
of the property rights and a conservation zone I live on the
end of a cul-de-sac so I only have the one neighbor I barely
see in any way except where a plane took off so
and then what else of the AR see of course it had approved
this prior to deny they didn't have any idea 19 either as far
as the setback and how that was going to impact us on this
project, we're just stuff we're just looking for approval
tonight if I can get I think you and any questions for that.
>> Okay, thank you thank you to Israel and to speak in support
of the request.
Come on now.
Please state your name and address my first yeah, I'm dd
Albert said 1, 1, 9, should court long word.
>> We could so I am the project manager on this so we work on
it, we're not going to disturbing area we're going to
be on the existing deck, right Sir.
With that is already encroaching that
their papers that.
>> Is anyone else to speak in support of the request.
Israel want to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion
chair motion to approve.
Motion prove you have a second any discussion.
Well in favor of the motion say aye aye posed motion carries
just proved good luck.
>> Next item item is 7015 p can court is a request for side
Street East setback from 25 feet to 9 feet for a fence that
is on the clock on our lives and is located in the wynwood
subdivision
the request is to replace an existing privacy fence that was
constructed by a previous owner in the same footprint
encroaching 16 feet into the side streets setback.
The proposed privacy fence is 12 feet from the sidewalk and
22 feet from the edge of payment.
And this concludes my presentation and questions for
staff.
Casey Affleck and present.
Good evening.
Distrust applicant.
>> Please state your name address my name's Zach player,
I'm here with my wife Anya and we are the owners and residents
of 7, 0, 1, 5, the Concorde. I want to add an addition to it
being a a corner lot with 2 front Street setbacks with the
time of our property in 2020, there was a sprinkler system
installed that sprinkler system was clearly taken advantage of
by the prior owner it was installed inside the fence line
and really just along that fence line so by moving that
fence line back to what's required under the code we
would lose half your sprinkler system we just want to place
the fence as is the fence that was installed and we purchased
the property, we believe it was purchased or installed back in
2005. I wish I could say hurricane knocked down
unfortunately had a trespassing neighbor who ripped out and run
our property. But that's neither here nor there are just
want to replace the fence to thank you.
All right questions for the applicant
is make sure
they want to speak in support of the request.
Is there anyone to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion.
Mister chair who shun to approve
wasn't prove second any discussion.
>> All in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed motion
carries is approved good luck.
Talk about bad neighbors that a defense them.
Next item.
>> Next time, 2100 twin.
Flower Lane, this is a request for side Street setback.
A variance for 15 feet to 10 feet for privacy fence on a
corner lot in the riverbend
Cameron Heights subdivision request is construct a 6 foot
4.
Final fund that will buy the into the required 15 foot side
Street setback.
The riverbend at Cameron Heights, homeowners Association
has reaped we prove approve the request and they also have
letters of support that have been received by 4 of the
neighbors. This fence will be 10 feet from the sidewalk and
25 feet from the edge of payment.
I would also like for the board to know March of this year
there was a fence granted across the street from them
10 to 15 feet.
Any questions for staff.
>> Later in life like that was a dumb question but do best
question of the night.
They're seeing things describe differently in the agenda and
the agenda tonight, what's the difference as far as the code
defines things between offense and a privacy fence.
It's happened.
>> Because they can have a fence where you can see it.
Bill
with bores me to do that has city issue yeah after the
board, so you can actually see through them by the put aboard
on the front and the back and then you can actually see parts
to the board. So.
>> That would just like how the rules are different for
chain-link fences.
Any other questions for staff.
He's African president.
Please state your name and address, I'm Jaclyn what he had
2125, relieves my husband, Sean. We're here just pretty
much request saying that extra 5 foot to be added on to our
very for a variance to go from 10, that's up from 15 to 10
feet.
As the project manager already said. Let us know that the
variant that was approved was literally across the street
directly from us that's kind of hard to tell from the photos
that there is actually House there it's not like a plane
land it's not just there's a whole neck. The photos that I
submitted are actually other fences in the neighborhood that
would specifically the 2 neighbors that are directly
across from me and they've got and their variance approved.
And those letters of support were from neighbors. Right next
to next door to manage a son as well that they have no issues
with that so we're just hoping taking your approval today.
Any questions for the applicant.
Thank you thank you,
is there anyone to speak in support of the request.
We want to speak in opposition to it.
We have a motion
chair motion to approve.
We have a second.
We had a discussion.
>> All in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed.
A motion carries some proved good luck.
All right next item item.
>> When 16 countryside drive, this is a request for fence
high.
Variance fun, 6 and a half p to 8 feet for our privacy fence.
At the sweet water Oaks subdivision the request is to
bring into compliance, the construction of an 8 foot
privacy fence that received code violation.
When constructing without the appropriate permits.
A letter of support was received from the adjacent
property owner, a letter of support was also received from
the prior owner of one 14 countryside, drive to the
north. However, they no longer own or we're live on the
property, I also want the for 2.
We understand that the next item is a neighbor who is
asking for the same
request from the 6 and half to the 8 feet so
when she didn't take that into. Her we see at all times.
All right.
And this concludes my presentation and thank you
any questions for staff
is the applicant present.
Good evening.
Please state your name and address and mcallister, and 1,
1, 6, countryside drive Longwood Florida, you have a
question for you, yes, why the increase in height on the fence
great question.
>> We actually bought this property roughly around 6 years
ago we lived in Texas and had an 8 foot fence. We moved here
are fences and horrible condition be probably spend
more money in Dexter's to keep it together.
We have been saving to put up a fence. We wanted to 8 foot
fence in the front be kept at the original 6 foot in the back
as our neighborhood for placed with a white final fence is one
of continuity we also a very large oak trees back there by
quite a bit of privacy.
We unfortunately took some bad advice from some vents
contractors so we're just now here to make it correct.
See the sunset.
>> Unfortunately we hear that a lot too.
>> I it is been a mess and unfortunately you don't have to
have a license to build a fence or
>> normally when we.
So yeah request right variance or something
like the House is what roads higher than the the House or
something and it's causing the issue.
So the fences and by appearances highs what was
intended to be that's why I asked.
>> Yeah we also are the lowest elevation on our Street.
Everybody else it's higher than us. But 2 story house, the 1,
1, 4, countryside.
When we put our fence up those neighbors, we talked to they
supported it they sold the House last month they now live
on the other side of the neighborhood. We have spoken to
the new neighbors, they are in support of the past.
>> Hasler was saying is they told you was OK then they move
where they can see it.
>> The neighbors are also came with a
>> okay you have any questions for the applicant
was anything else you'd like to tell us.
>> My neighbor right next door to me is going to be speaking
next and she has the same exact cents from the same exact
company. We're both in the same situation. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you is there anyone to
speak in support of the request.
Haha
well I had to come up for a state your name and address and
recorded for the record.
That was a surprise to me.
Haha.
>> It was just the Cali aches for my base. And I am the
neighbor and I'm in support of offense and what's your address
when 18 countryside right okay, thank you, I actually picked
mine up first so start
so you need for me at this point or should just take a
bite you just have a seat behind it.
>> There's no questions is there anyone to speak in
support of the request.
One else is aiming to speak in opposition to the request.
The motion.
We can prove.
Well to prove that a second.
In discussion.
All in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed motion
carries is approved.
>> Now the item when 18 countryside drive with request
for fans high variants from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet by
privacy fence, and sweet water Oaks subdivision this request
is to bring into compliance, the construction of an 8 foot
privacy fence that receive a code violation. There were 3
letters of support. From the surrounding property owners.
One of them signed it moved away. But we hear that the new
neighbor also this morning.
That is all I have gained question for staff.
>> Chair of one question this search too.
I'm sorry I'm trying to fund a she
doesn't work as well as a thought.
We pull up the survey
on this one.
The just so I'm clear that this fence is already been
constructed.
Under the reason I ask is on the survey that we have the
yellow line which indicating as the limits of where the new
fence was installed.
Existing fence as it is
on the Jason line 0.15.
We believe is the previous applicant.
I mean it shows the existing fence that was there on the
survey about 3 feet into that property. So I just try to
figure out of that fence was replaced. Okay.
But yeah, I'm not trying to create friction between
neighbors I just want that sense is gone and the new fence
was put in on their property.
>> We're very great. We like to see that
they knew that that was a question to the action.
And I'm sorry I'm talking to staff and we've got people
talking, but it sure we've lost control.
>> Lost control that states. He questions the other
questions for staff.
Okay, anything you'd like to add you.
>> And he just a name and address the star has got a gay
and I'm at one 18 countryside right. We actually are and
where I'm honored to sack which are both pretty fired back
saying have become really looking for friends if you want
to find a mate but meant but outside of that my b*** up to
another neighborhood aim higher and lower their higher and up
until now you can see right into my master bedroom. I'm on
my back and my house is then as our windows and so there is
really no privacy the hurricane did knock it down. And we did
advise as well. But we did request that apparently pulled
I'm not sure what happened with that. This target was pulled.
But I would also advise that you didn't have to have a
pretty much asked for new ways if it was a fence is being
constructed over already existing fence. And that's one
of the reasons why they did correct the getting her back
was because there was supposed to give up.
We also put a gate in front of the easement so any utility for
them too for the utilities that that's there they should have
no shoes command FPL no longer needs remove my fence to go
back and get there not to mention say is it is to remove
my entire side of my panel to get into our you know get to
it. It's much easier accessible. Now.
Just so you know for the future intend they actually pull
permit, they're required to have the permit on site when
the work commences have learned so if you can't see it they
didn't pull it, I've learned a lot very very well known.
We're giving all the advice to our neighbors at this point.
Sullivan learn. Yes, 100% and that's actually where the
hurricane
have ripped out we've replaced. And we first purchased the
House be replaced a lot of that panels with the 6 and a half
cents but it so it must mean it just
and you can see this. I'm Patrick Lambie who by the way
is in support and his neighbors and support and also every once
and you know even people that are adjacent to our homes that
have come over and supported. So because first time since the
shoes to a question ship.
>> Is there anyone to speak in support of the request
to put it.
We stayed. 1, 1, 6, countryside R****.
I support just giving my yard back and I don't have to stare
her kids in the pool because of the scare my kids school
anymore. And our dogs don't bark at each other anymore.
It's really great for big dogs that they can see over 6 foot
fence.
>> The goal that underneath wall of the bar to the dollar
behind as you can miss it, but it knows that dog is there.
Yes.
Thank you, Andy.
>> We'll speak. There's just not her fence out they don't
like or at all and that will continue in the next week and I
was there.
It will speak in support of the request.
We want to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion.
Mister chair motion to approve.
Mission proved second any discussion.
All in favor of the motion say aye aye all opposed the Kerry
says approved. Right now is the time to stand up and say I
really don't like her fashion.
Okay the next item.
>> We have our last item on the agenda and this is for 06:57AM
even Parker road. It is a request for
a side yard. North setback variance from 10 feet to 3 and
a half feet.
A second variance from a side yard nor setback variance from
10 feet 2.9 P.
And variance request, a side yard nor setback variance from
10 feet to 3.8.
Of course, very quest for a side yard North set back there
and from 10 feet to 5.9 feet and a 5th variance for rear
yard setback from 10 feet to 9.9 feet for for shipping
container, storage structures and a one-out cultural
district.
Located at the mcneil's arms Villa subdivision
this request is to put into compliance. For shipping
containers that are encroaching into the side and rear yard
setback Sunday that receive a code violation for placement
without a building department and once
they found that then they realize that not just today not
going to building permit they didn't put them in to the right
patient and that we need to have variances
I would like for you to know that this property is unique in
the fact that it but the location of these.
>> 04:00AM.
>> Trailers what we call them now shipping containers.
Fees for containers. They are long. The Seminole wekiva trail
and then on the north side of the property is Seminole County
retention pond. So unfortunately, that makes them
very visible.
From both of those sections.
I would also asked the board in your consideration.
For the storage containers is for us to clarify that the use
of the storage containers should only be for personal
residential storage.
Will be some ways because we have had issues code
enforcement issues with people utilizing the structures
because they can be very I guess
unique ways you can use them for like living.
They make luxury houses that yes and so I think in this
case, the only way that they can be utilized. We we we can
even consider them being on this property is it. It's being
utilized as a shed and that it gets tied down
without a building permit and that and it is not used for
residential use
or commercial use.
With that industry.
He questions for staff
is that it is there public.
Wink it language.
>> That weekend it's been codified that we can use to
eliminating the commercial to residential the
where do we need to really spell out of the EU says it
can't be in the motion.
>> I think we could spell out the use that not not it can be
but what it is and we could hear from the applicant what
his,
you know what how he's going to utilize these structures.
And then we can further clarify that these structures will be
only used for personal storage, our typical residential
personal storage.
>> We've done similar things of regular heads.
Well, I guess my question would be is.
What I do ask this question for every should
requests that we get
someone gets a repo
I put that bill has nothing to do with this but somebody we
approve a shed whether it's a variance or not
you notice that makes a setback doesn't matter. They get
approved put a shed if they decide to run power to it does
that put us into a new threshold does that change the
the from storage to
a different classification for says the gentleman earlier
today we have to work should be spelled out as a workshop.
>> Gives
the structure, the ability to do a change of use. And that's
that's why we care since some time saying well no we will not
support electrical or water because that allows it to be
converted into living space.
>> The question for staff yes, yes,
seeing as how the code enforcement violation was
merely about the setback
of the shipping containers and not the presence of the
shipping containers themselves.
The conclusion I draw from this is that
it is permissible for
these shipping containers to be used on a residential property
in this way is that correct.
>> I cannot read the full code enforcement.
One section I don't know
the code enforcement inspector inspection was the fact that
they were utilizing them for something that wasn't allowed
when it gets to us we're the remedy and helping them
legalize the structure so
we've had.
>> One other in the 12 years I've been on the board had one
other shipping container and I think that was last year.
>> West was first asked a yes, it's not something that's come
up a lot but over the years so provision to allow them because
was there.
We denied that because location.
It was or it was like an outdoor stuff right you are
bound by the Rotary member. I think the using the and the
neighbors. Back to.
>> This is one that they are already converting it over to
his sons apartments in the back edge and
that was not that was the code violation was that they're
utilizing it for
I'm living structure. And so that was
one team we didn't know about that until we got more
information and so when it came to us we told him you cannot we
approved this as living quarters. We do have something
that's called the atu but it would not it would not qualify
for the atu so we told them you can't utilize that. So when
they came in he said that he wanted to have it. Story age
and then he was trying to go into wanting to have a home
office but home office is supposed to be within your home
as a home office so we really had to go back and forth with
him on the word edge. What he wanted to utilize which I think
is very important for us, especially in situations like
this to clarify what this variance is for this variance
is for the setbacks for the structures that are being
utilized for storage.
You're just not doing carp launched yes, we approved this
variance
and then we don't clarify but as for what it's for
and new questions for staff.
>> Hayes the applicant present this serve come on down
please state your name and address.
>> My name is Michael aoun with mh design build services on
here on behalf half of the applicant. I Tonga Inc
and my my personal address is 1567 Trevor teen terror central
Florida, the address and question 6, 5, 7, even Park
road.
The reason I'm here today is actually to get a permit for
these storage containers
that he intends to use for personal storage, the original
code violation was for that.
Vicki Hathaway the inspector come by.
I guess, and
notice that they were there.
And there were no permits for
I've been working with city staff trying to get through the
whole process of
you know showing them the engineer drawings and how we
intend to tie them down they're already sitting on railroad
ties. They were that way since they were installed.
You know we work with them and drainage and where all the
utilities are located.
This is the last one of the last steps in the process is
getting a variance otherwise we will have to move them.
The reason we're asking is as she stated. The law is a very
unique shape.
What's the drainage or sorry the retention pond to the
north.
And then.
I guess to the
South West or East. I'm sorry is the
Seminole County trail.
And then obviously easy even Park road is the other
boundary.
I will say that they are not as visible as she had mentioned.
Let you go around to the side and look
you can I did submit some photos, I don't know if they
were given to you or not I was a little bit late.
I'm I'm happy to e-mail them if need be.
>> Wolf right did you say electrical team.
>> No there's no utilities, no water, no electrical just
orange.
When the question for Africans, representative.
He said the the
storage containers are and skits.
>> You're looking at obviously from a permitting perspective
on it for them down for building permit. Yes approval
to my question is is it it goes back to something I said
earlier tonight was that obviously our goal is to.
Well the minimum, you know variance in this case, the one
candidate or you know 2 of them are 3.8 3.5 1 of those plus a
foot from the property line. Can that can pay to remove so
that we can be consistent and summer on 3 and a half feet as
the setback. Variance.
>> We can try for that but if you look at the actual surveys
you can pull that up
no I am looking at the survey that there's a discrepancy in
how the property line actually go-ers is where the surveyors
placed it defense
goes one direction and then the property line kind of takes a
particular sure which Cardinal direction, but it does actually
move away to dangle.
>> I see the measure out the fence, not property line right.
It's consistent. This and stop the fence which was belong to
the county. Yes.
>> As far as I know when he purchased the House this is
stood that's was referring from what I'm looking at survey,
the 0.9 feet is to do property line not the fence correct.
So again what I'm asking is that so we don't get the
maximum.
You know 10 foot, you know you're less than a foot.
You know we can get that trailer can be moved to contain
and we want to call it can be moved so you know that were
maybe in that consistent 3 and a half to 3.8 range that the
other 2 are in.
I don't think that we can get that done
trying to take note so I understand is that you know
like like I said, I mean we're 29 is basically right on top of
the property on there. And it's the other 2 are almost 4 foot
approximately so if we could move the other one so that
they're consistent, you know, I feel like I've accomplished
something.
>> So on that we have a number on one into both of those would
be 3 and a half feet.
>> Can you can you put the map up a switch when you're talking
that's that's yes that's you're correct. What you just said
thank you
container number 2 instead of being a less than a foot from
the property line that he could be adjusted so that is 3,
3, and a half foot from the property consistent with one.
Slightly less than 3.
>> And then on number I mean I second that emotion but I mean
that the yeah yeah from discussions, standpoint pull
your motion now because how long are these trailers than
that.
>> As far as I know he hired me
the same exact date.
These I was hired in March
to to handle this and as far as I know, I'm not he says they
were put in January. I don't really know so this year yes.
>> Regular writer on the trail. But I haven't gotten that done
that particular section allows I don't remember them from
asking your big we'll see that high over the fence, you know
oh yeah.
>> Can allow have photos of sorry haha
any further than this.
>> He had missed that too.
There's too much.
This is the view from the trail.
He made it clear to the K put it out there and you need you
to e-mail it to them. I did email to Jalen okay, but you
guys can best.
Was it the hike you want
wanting to wear the normal Cuban that these are the high Q
3, 4,
This is the view from the from the road
from Eden Park road.
>> Right there is I'm not really in a row sites, not
really the issue is the trailside.
>> A break in this is if you go into his property may be
25 feet, I would say
that's the view right there of the
number one into containers.
This was the regulation photo ID taken.
Do this for the
you know walking down the trail, what you see.
I actually had to stop and turn.
You know take the photo.
This is what it looks like as you walk into is driveway.
And that's it.
I'm happy to move whichever one it was one or 2 haven't
move it to the 3 and a half you think.
>> The owner would be open to painting them some type of
neutral color made that blended a little better than dressed
for it.
I don't see why he would be
to soften the look of it.
Like a green you can just do it.
>> Just make them more that's exactly what I was thinking
actually
well okay
going green.
Sherwin-williams paint coach, yeah, I don't have a targeting
yeah, some type of the Reno have enhanced you can actually
use going green because they they have a
and for that don't you can't use that again I don't want to
specify as percent right it will be chosen as a young green
green light.
I just worry.
>> As tall or 3 that have it would be hard to solve that
with trees or anything he was not a lot of room he had
intended to paint them anyway. I think they were they were all
going to be painted green at some point in time. But.
>> When this happened he just basically left a mess is
because he didn't want to get more trouble.
I did. Yeah.
What are you looking to get to the phantom anyway, maybe a
little those men are like what is filled them up and they have
to you know, where they spend their life and saw there and
they tend to corrode badly, especially on top which then
eventually leak.
That's why there's an empty everywhere you nothing.
>> We couldn't find in your application. Your client did he
tell you what he is storing.
>> And he did not in these containers, he did not.
Because there can be
fire codes depending on stored in there that we can have
building department when they do the inspections. Said that's
the problem.
Okay, any other questions.
Is there anyone else to speak in support of the request.
We want to speak in opposition to the request.
We have a motion.
Motion to approve
on the condition.
>> Request number to the side yard North setback variance
from 10 to 0.9.
He changed from 10 feet to 3.5 feet.
The second condition would be that the
storage containers are used for residential storage.
And the 3rd condition would be that the owner
with fly exterior paint.
That would match the surrounding Wednesday.
That be sufficient. Yes please amended and that work for you,
yes, it does all right.
>> Wilson's second any discussion
all in favor of the motion say aye aye those it carries
unanimous. Good luck to you so you got to 3.
3 and a half feet and number 2 we have residential store in
only the rest of the building department tells him he has to
do their work on Monday.
The size, yeah, and and we have finally a neutral some type of
the colors can make it blend in better a site and your your own
County staff may be. Maybe they have a color palette for yes,
so it can be used to hide your cell phone towers.
>> If the homeowner does store.
What heroes in the shipping containers that are not
residential storage say from a business or something.
>> How would we be a new L it becomes a code enforcement
issues, not our issue at that point they have to notify
reported that they're going to inspection on the windows to
create the condition, they don't have the ability at all
why there's liability issue up there also has to get the
government has said don't do it.
>> This is actually we're through this process for
telling them you can also store.
Residents of we've had with the board in the past asked people.
>> What are you doing any use what you've stored in with your
business
which areas are these construction materials that
your story for us just to it.
>> You don't you don't store your neighborhood annual
fireworks displays to be loaded into storage containers and
issues say this over to the cells are probably in the next.
Yeah, great and build back and delay use them.
>> Yes, yes that that's what's happening to you as a kind of
searches pops up to okay
last time we had his minutes. I know they were sent out last.
Oh yes, she did and
we have any
we do want to tie the 2 together I'm going to want to
gather unless you have an issue we need to change a little.
There was one typo that I did the U.S. and the correction
invite you which one was it was for last month, correct.
Okay it's already think all right so as they were received
by us or that
the corrected the wins the Senate okay so we can do them
all.
We have a motion to accept them all.
We have second second all right and discussion all in favor of
the motion say aye aye it carries
you're all kind of.
I feel sure to go to the order.
So you can store.
Over the just keeps different by use of some rain we need it.
And
enough rain.
Ice is dry though right.
Well the emotion for that.