>> To,
>> too.
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>> And ladies. Good afternoon and we want to thank you all so
much for being here this afternoon we're going to
reconvene the Seminole County Board of County commissioners
meeting from earlier today. This afternoon we have a public
hearing couple different items that were taking up. The first
thing that I would like to ask one of my colleagues is to make
a motion for Prince the publication time, the second
motion by Constantine second by Dre all those in favor say aye
ine opposed motion passes unanimously. Thank you. We are
going to go ahead and talk about what our rules for this
afternoon's public hearing are going to be there are a couple
different things. I'd like you to take note of if you want to
participate this afternoon. The way that we're going to
work through is the that our staff is going to present each
item for consideration. This afternoon with the
recommendation and then the board will have an opportunity
to ask questions of staff when the presentations that finished
after that the applicant for the item will have an
opportunity to make a presentation and the board will
have a chance then to ask questions once the presenter
has finished.
Members of the public who would like to participate and give
input on these items have 2 different ways of doing that if
you would like to make public comment. There's a yellow form
out in the lobby that we'd like to ask you to go ahead and
complete now, and turn it into MS. Can support the front desk.
If you did not want to make public comment and stand at the
podium, then we have a green form welcome to fill out.
This is your comment that will be passed down the dias for any
of the board members to read so it will be taken into
consideration, but not read publicly.
You'll have 3 minutes to on that for my sister remind you
to please Mark whether you support or oppose the item and
right items specifically that you want to comment on that
helps miss can to make sure that she calls the right name
at the right time for the right reason and that that helps keep
us on track.
Members of the public will only be allowed to get comment once
per item speakers when you come forward state your name and
address clearly for the record and whether you are for or
against you'll be given 3 minutes to speak unless you are
the official spokesperson for an H.O.A. or legally organized
group then you'll be given 6 minutes and that 6 minutes is
in lieu of other members of your organization speaking so
if you are representing and speaking on behalf of everyone
else in your neighborhood you get 6 minutes. Otherwise.
It takes 6 minutes, no one else in your neighborhood gets to
speak you have to take that up with them in the parking lot.
And according to the operating perceived policies and
procedures of the Seminole County Board of County
commissioners section 2.1 7, 5, public participation before the
board speaker shall limit their comments to the subject being
considered by the board. All public comments show avoid
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presented to the board. So if you show it to us be prepared
to leave it with the clerk.
Chair, you may be a k a
the clerk's office.
So all speakers once all the speakers are heard the
applicant will have an opportunity for rebuttal if
necessary then after that we will close public comment and
the matter will be put in the hands of the commission for
further discussion and a vote following a motion and the
second. Any commissioners who do not cast objecting vote will
then consider to voted in support of the item
regarding cause it to show public hearings there's a lot
of rules just to like get through before we can even get
to the meat of the afternoon. So this is regarding quasi
judicial public hearings, the board certainly welcomes all of
the comments that you bring this afternoon that the law
requires that the board's decision and a quasi judicial
action be supported by competent substantial evidence
presented to the board during the hearing on the application,
competent substantial evidence is such evidence has a
reasonable mind would accept is adequate to support a
conclusion there must be a factual basis in the record to
support opinion testimony from both expert and non expert
witnesses.
Persons presenting testimony may rely on factual information
and you're the person presenting the testimony this
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are you you may rely on factual information that you present
that is presented by our County staff that the applicant
present or on factual information included in the
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present written materials to the board for consideration
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clerk for inclusion in the board's record of proceeding an
official minutes.
Has any commissioner received any oral or written
communication regarding the closet, judicial items if so
please disclose the substance of the communication and
identify the person making the communication. Commissioner.
We've received phone calls e-mails lots of them and
meetings and it is all been submitted electronically.
>> Thank you Troy, thank you, madam chair shoes credit cards
ponitz phone calls as well as meetings with all the items
that's on a cause of the digitial like to speak to the
court.
So now thank you
madam chair, phone calls and e-mails all the items on the
agenda today. And they have been submitted electronically
through the clerk's office
submitted electronically number of e-mails specifically on item
32 Mustang.
>> We I too have had work ex parte communication with
citizens e-mails applicants and staff and has been slips
submitted electronically and pass and on the dias thank you.
All right. So far
first public hearing which is not cause additional all of
that was for died will be after this item item number 29,
we have with us today from the Port Authority Mister Andrew
Van Gail this is your budget presentation.
>> Good afternoon. Commissioners. My executive and
gale with me is chairman Matt CRISWELL Seminole County Port
Authority and Mister bills via our secretaries here
and
we're going to get you know get started I want to say it's been
really good working with you guys really consistent through
the years about the longest so far and but up there 17 years
doing this I just want to say were there any surprises that's
really cord, Joel and I like your approach and I just want
to thank you for making it easy for us to work with you all so
once again we're here to present our budget and under
hopefully receive your packages and and restaurant early line
by line and and I'm here for any questions on that
the Port Authority board of directors approve this budget
back in June. We think a solid reasonable conservative and
gets us to where we want to go so before we really get into
next year. You realize I had a few comments and under.
And accomplishments pointed out earlier, we are losing our
longtime attorney Mister coover so we've selected a new
attorney here for about over the land. Very kind associates
were looking forward to working with him.
Milestones for the year we make it an occupancy rate of one
100% for the entire year, so really proud of that.
I keep in our tenants in place and and very little receivables
recycle published completion of our 3 acre site we talked a lot
about that we've been the last 7 years working on
infrastructure drainage retention ponds master drainage
project that's all complete now so now we're in the building
phase. The Reid bill the face or our side is about ready to
go to start putting some buildings on it captures or
revenue.
We have a new investment strategy compliments of Mister
spidey that kind of open the door to us so we've been really
really fortunate too invest in local government investment
pools are doing doing well this year so that's a essentially
it's almost like having another facility that has revenue for
the Port Authority.
And we're also undergoing systematic review and valuation
of our business model to take you to a question or her.
He's helped this kind of look at things that in different
business approach and really thank you for that guidance on
there.
We're going to try to look at our future competitiveness with
private industry, the goal of increasing our revenues this
kind of stuff includes a market rate valuation study is under a
development strategies and worst reminder property
management software to try to we have produced some really
useful Analytics for more efficient and profitable
operation of the poor so we're moving it a little kind of a
new major we re revamping our leases with the new attorney
and essentially moving from a a commission vote on the court
started we were kind of out there and go nowhere kind of
stimulate business to the economy and and then bring it
manufactures a small businessman to Seminole County.
Now we matured in that respect where you know the operation is
change a little bit so we want to make sure that we're
consistently achieve in profitable operations were
saving money and were returning investment to the county.
So it's kind of a good exciting time to be able to see this
this growth pattern with the ports.
So with that out of this year to we did have some some money
we're able to bring back to you we have $300,000. That we've
set aside that will bring it to you in October. So that's kind
of our service fund contribution for the current
year.
So as we look to next year which will start to the October
one.
The budget today representing for fiscal year, 2023 2024.
The total budget is 5 million 285 thousand 986
dollars total budget.
Our predicted a budget operational revenue was
2 million 187 thousand 357 dollars and that's all that's
kind of represents about a 9% increase over current year last
year.
You get just realize you know more with their full occupancy,
but that's our budget numbers now so don't get on the revenue
side.
I spent your side, they're looking they're spending that
3 million 213 thousand 577 dollars now says an increase of
about 15% over last year.
And what we're running into of course are construction costs
rising construction costs may be really up to percent in most
cases so what we budget for a year ago. What engineers
estimates are coming in quite higher on capital improvement.
So it's it's kind of the fact alive today so we do a little
more expenditures.
In addition to the regular over expenses budget includes a kind
of a proven plan budget of 2 million 50 dollars and
$50,000 and that's for our our redevelopment projects we're
looking at building. 2 buildings to 6,000 square-foot
facilities we have plans for a 3rd larger 12,000 square foot
facility
and conservative trying to predict construction costs what
we have in the bank
with little or no finance and where we are anticipate
producing 2 buildings and the next a yearly started plans are
90% complete art actually so we're trying to get those
looking for cost estimates now
based on the Spanish managers in our budget play the
redevelopment project in the county for increasing costs all
around our service fund contribution that was budgeted
to the county for the next year is a $150,000 and that gives us
kind of still in the black and it's I think we can afford
right now there's always time to re-evaluate as the year goes
by that condition change of construction costs drop profits
come in higher, but right now that's in the budget and I hope
you you all got to look at. We're trying to modernize our
budget to so the package may look a little different.
It's pretty floored statues are requirements and with that
we're here for the question is where we respectfully request
the approval of our budget 2324.
>> For the Port Authority any questions for Mister Daniel
commissioners about.
>> Thank you both for being here today and I approached um
gone through and I understand that your capital improvements
are being fully funded within the budget certain verses going
out to the market and funny lenders you know historically
and I understand a year 18 months serving goes smoothly.
Here to space you have the 2 buildings up and running and I
understand your statements about maybe getting more closer
to market rates to incubate or type set up
historically and for some say thank you for giving the county
$300,000 in revenue back to offset the tax burden on our
citizens
historically in the I asked we've seen numbers approaching
a million dollars coming back to the taxpayer and so my
question is
based on your schedule right now to be done in the long term
financial strategy in budging say over the next 3 to 5 years
based on that you have any anticipation where we'll start
to see
revenue stream coming back to the county.
>> Yes, we do and then as far as that million dollars just
started about 2006 we've been in operation since the 70's,
72 and in which case there is 0 contribution for many years we
took some mutual funds. I think about 60,000 a year to come we
don't want to get back to 0 just a player. I don't know.
Story was not always a billion dollars there was a time I
think when we're finally build out I came aboard.
Wasn't said that was the need for capital improvements for
drainage for improvements, what you know there was worse,
you know the place well run, however had lived it's 2530
year life cycle. So I was that had pleasure of knowing Brady
million dollars but also trying to find 10 million dollars of
improvements are needed so.
Yes, I'm not sure how long it'll take to get to that level
because as we're looking I mention this plan we're also
doing some other metrics to see you know for example older ad
valorem tax contribution of the county is approaching million
dollars a year. So there's intangibles and other
factors that we're doing. Census employees there's nearly
a 1000 people work out there so with our you know with our new
studies were trying to figure out really what the economic
impact is under a burning question for. Yeah, it is most
likely in goods and services to say or surpassed that actual
number I venture to say there's closer to a 100 million dollars
produced and good services employment and other you know a
tax white of sales tax even early sales tax.
I would like to see our buildings get online, I've
always I've always felt really comfortable with over half a
million dollar contribution that could you know let us
operate and keep things up to a certain standard, especially
with the competition around us.
This board is to say well you guys there are competing with
private industry private industry didn't like that well
things have change. And for us to look at some of our
underused facilities we have still some vacant land that use
the surface and then it's really not producing what we
should out of it so you know the commission I talk about
some of our opportunities to put buildings and so.
>> I appreciate funding everything they're capital
improvements or you're at your revenue stream and so I think I
think that sort of answers. My question.
>> We do want to we do want to ensure more would like to we
got hit with super high our estimates on the side for
example, the engineer predicted a million came in at
1 Million 8. So I really project center better better
engineer to $400,000 or $800,000, it's just a hard time
right now that's that's a million dollars right there
that's been so you know I think I disappeared because of the
cost but
there's always questions on the board to we understand that you
want to return on your investment, 100%.
>> Right and I want to take it up to thank commissioner her
for her seat on that board. Several us of settlement board
through the years I think I was on the board we all start.
>> I accept the. I think is going to
>> and so thank you all very much and with that madam chair,
if there's no other choirs I'm prepared to make a motion.
>> I think commissioner her had her hand up to recognize I did.
>> Hi I'm also prepared to make a motion but I would like to
start by saying thank you to our incoming chairman Matt who
is also our outgoing chairman and it says something about a
board of directors when the outgoing chair wants to be the
chair again so it is a really well-run organization. Under
injuries leadership and Bill is in the audience who changed our
entire investment strategy has worked humiliating. Capital to
spend on these improvements, it it came to our attention that
has interest rates were rising, we're kind of sitting on the
sidelines. And that's changed. You can see the impact of the
budget but I would say that the project that Andrew described
is has not been done for a very long time and that is analyzing
where we are against market rate.
And where we are against standard market leases because
I leases are very old school language
and changing the entire way we look at this. One of the things
that we implemented this year was an annual increase to rent
which historically has not been done, it's been done every 2
years that changes use the same number and divided by 2 that
changes the increase. It's subtle but it matters and it's
actually easier on the business owner. So with that I will move
for smiles, all say, thank you to the board members that serve
out there's complete volunteers and committed to this and there
are several of them to earn the audience but I will move to
approve a second.
>> Motion by her second by zembower any other discussion.
All those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously, thank you thank you very much. We look forward
to the chat.
Thank you guys.
I don't think there was just to make sure their public comment
for that item I you we talked earlier and didn't have
anybody. There was not I do have just 2 for the next event.
So our in our next item is actually can continued from.
Our June 27th meeting
and the if you wouldn't mind coming forward and presenting
mess.
>> Yes, good afternoon. Madam chair commissioners that
Robinson with the planning and development
and as the use use stated is this item is continue from the
6/27/2023 Board of County commissioners meeting it was
also a public hearing item that time.
What is to see it.
Yes,
since it was continue that will probably be a little bit more
brief this time.
The applicant is requesting a small scale future land use
amendment map amendment from planned development to plan
development and the rezone from PD plan development to PD plan
development in order to increase the number of
multifamily residential units from 300 to 680.
So this PD was originally approved in September of 2016,
to allow 300 multifamily units 40,000 square feet of retail
space 15,000 square feet of restaurant.
80,000 square feet of Class A office space and a 200 room
hotel.
So this map that shows the future land use on the left
which today is PD and the zoning on the right which is
also PD this was a region with initially.
The tbi future land use and was changed at that time to PD
so the applicant is now proposing an additional 380
multifamily units in place of that 200 key hotel in the
80,000 square feet of office space.
The currently in PD we currently still allow the
40,000 square feet of retail in the 15,000 square feet of
restaurant space.
We've also written the Deo that to allow that they could be
also have the maximum of the 80,000 square feet of office
space and hotel.
In exchange for every deduction to equivalent amount another
propose use of that that reduction is determined by a
traffic conversion. Matrix that's also included the
development order.
So now just to just bring you up to date on what's occurred
since our last meeting.
I'm going to talk a bit about the development order and
master development plan.
So we heard from the board. Some conversation about
workforce, units and EV capable you be ready electric vehicle,
keeping the parking of so those are 2 things that we went back
and worked on and then with the applicant in the development
order and master development plan.
There was also I believe some discussion of the planning and
zoning about the visibility of the parking structure from
international Parkway so there's conditions in the
development order which I'm happy to go over in detail it
year in year out if you consent to have me do that otherwise
I'm going to keep it short of that
you can call those things out individually so.
So so we have we have included conditions related to workforce
housing is actually condition for conditions in the
development order related to that and the restricted use
covenant and different things and that 7 or 8 or 10%.
Of of total units and then the electric vehicle charging
equipment has also been included
in the process of making his adjustments the applicant has
also requested to modify the master development plan to
allow
multi-family housing on lot 3. So in that mask on the plane
you can see on the screen is to actually 3 parcels one is to
the West has been fully developed with 290 multifamily
units
watt who is to the north they're wrong international
Parkway and my 3 is the smaller lot us 1.4 8 acres. That
originally was it was stated to have by Affleck and retail and
restaurant square footage.
They've come back and asked if they could also have
multifamily on that lot as well.
So
there's a condition that we've added related to
how the density would be calculated for either a
vertical horizontal mixed uses on that comes that's in the
development order
and then as well Steph is added some development order
conditions, mainly for consistency with the master
development plan,
particular to bike parking and also
parking standards that are tied to our new land development
code rewrite so those those standards have been adjusted to
mirror what's in our land over a proposed land development
code rewrite language.
So with that I'm going to continue so we'll go over all
the details but I will say that we did we did find is
consistent with their landed on the coding comprehensive plan.
As you know we've been working with them, I felt an order
conditions but we are recommending that the board of
County commissioners adopt the proposed ordinance enacting a
small scale future land use map amendment from plan development
to plan development and adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone
from plan development to plan development
and approve the Associated development order and master
development plan for
approximately 12 to 0 acres located on the West Side of
international Parkway approximately one half mile
north of County Road 4, 6, 8,
And that concludes my presentation and chairman happy
to answer any questions you may have and the applicant is with
us here today.
>> Okay, thank you very much any questions for Mister ts
commissioners MR.
>> Doug thank you very much, you know you're in my office at
the end of last week. You and some other staff and
and I voiced a concern that there seemed to be a flurry of
memos going back and forth and some changes on the Deo and and
it seemed to be a moving target
has anything changed since.
We has last.
>> Friday or Thursday. Thank you. Commissioner, yes, for
since the memos went out we haven't had any additional
changes. So what was a new rated in the memo with the
updated development order and master development plan still
stands as I'm here before you today.
>> OK, it just seem that that we had things going on at the
23rd hour. I was trying to wrestle with that which I
shared with you when you were in my office that
it didn't seem that we were we had a moving target. So you
feel.
And the right place at this point.
I do yes all right. Thank you. The question is to turn the
commissioner, thank you to a question so.
I guess it was a last meeting.
We didn't have a lot 3 any apartments and now they want
apartments on lot 3.
And I don't know what happened between last meeting in this
meeting to do that.
Can you explain that to us is that actually reduce the square
footage of the retail as well, I don't know what happened from
the last meeting to this meeting about changing staff
because I thought we would just
a little more definition not making changes and
I don't understand why we made all these changes. Yes, Sir,
or madam chair.
So just speak to that commissioner glory.
The.
>> That was so as we were updating the
parking requirements to be consistent with
the land development code rewrite which is a conversation
that we have the applicant.
They also
mention that they would like to have the flexibility
to do the multi-family on all 3 parcels so essentially came
back to an email
stating that with the master development plan updated to
reflect that change.
It's not on the MVP a message on. Thank you won't see much
there other than just a statement on the lot itself
saying presidential.
Use in addition to the retail and restaurant that were
already proposed so there wasn't any dialogue about
adding that until we received a message and the updated at
master development plan.
Subsequent to that
we we worked on the condition. I guess I should probably state
which condition is so that you can for a look at that. Well I
speak.
So it's condition W in the development order and I read
that out loud. So this is in response to receiving that
request to we've had presidential to lot 3. When
commercial entitlements are proposed to be vertically next
with multifamily residential integrated in the same building
acreage may be double counted for density intensity
calculations
horizontal mixed use may not double count acreage for
density intensity and must demonstrate sufficient acreage
for each propose use so that the density intensity maximums
are not exceeded
so I
mainly what
we're driving at here is that the verdict least act the
residential on top of the residential rat's restaurant
and retail uses. We would not have been not discount the land
out of the density which is currently set at 5620 units per
acre that's for the 680 units over the entire site, 12.2
acres.
>> So that W just read is not a deputy that I have.
>> OK and madam chair and also point out the development over
that actually is a long line is is has not none of those a
little bit more for we all we all time and on that
>> because I did read along with the word for word and it
it does match what I have in front of me but let's let's
pause for a moment
and if things are not matching online.
Then it's okay so let's let's put a pin in that for just a
moment if we could
and let's keep going and we'll come back to that when they had
a chance to review it so anything else that you can help
answer that is not related to that right now.
>> I guess I'm just elaborate on that a little bit more so I
can close out that I'm
I'm not quite sure why these 2 are not only that but I'm
pretty positive that it's
something didn't get uploaded into the into the legistar
perhaps.
>> Worry about that he's yeah less.
>> The and so that that was the reason that condition was added
says if the
we decided on that parcel they wanted to have a horizontal
mixed use in other words, restaurant next to
multi-family housing, we would subtract that
a portion of the land.
Out of the entire density calculation I don't know if I
need to elaborate on that for their bile stop there.
>> Okay any other questions for Mister Robinson.
Mister zembower follow.
>> Going back to when this when this applicant originally came
fast forward
and I think you spoke a little bit about this and I'm
wondering where this affordable workforce housing aspect.
I didn't see that was proposed initially and now it's being
proposed so the applicant make that proposal that they want to
do that.
>> No, the so following are the last meeting in June 27th.
We there was quite a conversation about and
including that that was something that staff put
forward to the applicant and then actually
we did initially put forward 20%. But we heard that probably
wasn't feasible and we have revised that down to 10%.
10% of the total units and presented that back to the to
the applicant. I didn't we didn't hear anything subsequent
to that saying that that wasn't acceptable. Okay. I our
director just reminded me of another condition that I'm
hoping is correct in your packet. If you don't mind I
speak to this as well and which one is condition. Why I'm in my
development order. It's a minimum of 20,000 square feet
of retail and restaurant space must be bill as part of the
plan development, however, office and or hotel uses maybe
bill in addition to or and of retail and restaurant he says
and we're doing great for the trip conversion matrix and the
condition be so
the intent was there was that time we do expect to see some
mix of uses
and this plan development
and so this was a minimum that we put forward for you
for your, you know your acceptance and discussion but
that's
what we thought was necessary to make sure that there's some
ground floor retail and restaurant and this
development.
>> Commissioner her wanted to recognize if you're down this
commissioner zembower so I think the discrepancy between
what you're looking at what we're looking at is we're
actually looking at a development order and the
electronic version and the paper version of the book and
you're looking at a memo that includes a development order
and they look different right so I'm I'm looking at what
you're looking at we're probably on the wrong page you
guys talk amongst yourselves but I just want to point out
that there are there are a lot of changes in this. The EV
parking was requested by this forward so they conceded to
that the workforce, spread housing was requested by this
board so they conceded to that we asked for 20 they gave us 10
the blocking the parking garage view was a I think already in
the next in terms of the initial
a concept that they had talked about that was of interest.
So that seems to have been added and LDC changes were ours
which we went in after the fact and are now governing to the
LDC changes that have not been passed yet which may or may not
be a good idea. But that's that's the reality of where we
are I would tell you that from my perspective and this is my
district.
I realize that have Tia is was the desire. I went back and
read all of the memos that got circulated by board members
around the history of hip te, I put this move to PD
years ago
and the
the concept of intense housing where intense housing already
is
on a 4 lane road with easy access to a highway if there's
ever a place to put it it's that's where it probably should
be
the parking garage has been an eyesore in that neighborhood,
I'm looking back there and George you guys started yelling
at me about that. But the minute I got on this board,
although I had nothing to do with parking garage, this would
resolve that view of the entrance to the community
and quite frankly I did see the change on that additional lot
that also faces international Parkway it doesn't back up to a
housing development so putting additional residential there
doesn't bother me either from the perspective that
the alternative is that it's going to be probably failed
retail.
Because there is not enough reason to go into an acre and a
half lot for specific retail outlet. There's retail across
the street, there's retail to the north and there's retail to
the South.
And so what's going to end up there is another to fast food
chains that I don't think is what we want there so I
actually like the revisions I think they accommodated us and
there's an ask in there that makes really good sense from a
planning perspective that's where I am.
>> Any other questions for Mister Robinson and I'm going
to turn to the county manager for some and the county
attorney for some direction. Thank you because I like to get
an accurate packet
we'll make sure everybody has everything they need I just
want make sure if there are any more questions for Mister
Robinson while he's up here that we take advantage of it.
All right I think for now.
Mister Robinson will have you take it, but stick close by
because we may need to call you back up. Thank you. Mister gray
if you somewhere at
>> figuring this out on the fry is as well and
we're back if you could come up, I think you could talk
about their sub, some supplemental information that
was submitted last week to use of your offices that was
actually submitted in put into. Mine is so just make sure
corrected with what was just discussed. It is we just their
fight is online it was so we're all. But page so I have Rebecca
show you exactly what page that was.
>> So that's the first. But it's the first time in 8 years
so it's
after the original that for the record about him and
development services director after the original agenda
printed we only distributed one memo with changes. And so we
distributed that memo hard copy and then there was also
attached to the agenda item and legistar after it was initially
published we attach it and then we publish and that this memo
that was distributed hard copy is also attached in fall as one
pdf to the legistar item should be the first attachment to
agenda item 30.
>> And would that be the yellow highlighted many exactly yes.
>> It's listed as a memo instead of a development order.
>> Yes, because that's the memo is an entire package which
includes the changes to the development or 40% of the
region recently published
understood thank you to this.
All right.
>> So we've confirmed that the information was published
online it may not be necessarily in the format that
we think we each of us would choose, but it's their online
as a part of the item and as the attorney's office okay with
us proceeding with that.
I mean are we putting ourselves in a situation.
Well, the document was distributed to all of the
commission offices from what I understand and it was emailed
to all of the commission offices, so it has been
distributed as of last Thursday around midday.
And with the public have had an opportunity to I think that's
quite honestly is more of a concern to me isn't that we
were only Cottle but that the public had I think the one
point was appointed. There
was it uploaded last Thursday was uploaded Monday.
Said yesterday. I mean it was an event in advance of the
meeting I would be comfortable with proceeding.
All right.
Welcome
you and good afternoon, madam chair, if you live you have
introduce yourself.
>> Yes, Tom Sullivan with the gray Robinson law firm on
behalf of the applicant. I think what I'm about to say
hopefully wow the a positive development just in terms of
getting clarity on what we're asking for in the end for
purposes of today. And I believe this was communicated
yesterday afternoon to the commission but we are are
respectfully requesting a continuance to year September
26 meeting.
You know, particularly in this, you know kind of the was not
the main reason they're the main reason is that there's
some issues outstanding issues in the development order we
received a couple different versions of this we work well
with your staff. We received a couple of versions of this last
week I think maybe 3 last week and it just doesn't feel like
we've kind of data every thing in that we need to do in terms
of what we want to propose and I think that's frankly
compounded a little bit by that diversions maybe of what what
you all are looking at I think it would be would be a good a
good is the prudent decision about a comeback 30 days or so
again we do specifically request a September 26 just we
can get this right and I think that would that make but that
would only make for better project there there's a couple
of issues that we really think requires some some further
refinement of that development order so that that obviously
that that officers, there's questions for that would be our
request. Today.
And commissioner has a question for you,
I'm prepared to move to approve.
>> For a date certain continuance to second.
Yeah, we need to make. The motion is to continue for a
date certain September 20 wasn't 6.
>> Without prejudice of the motion seconder will accept.
>> I commend the commissioner her made the motion to continue
to date certain commissioner Constantine seconded it
I don't think we have to deal with with or without prejudice
in this environment, we sure I have to think there's correct
okay, so what we need to make sure is that the public that is
here to maybe speaking understands that if the
comments this is just for me are the comments on the item or
the comments in the continuance
we don't know well theoretically the continuance
just you know became an option.
Are you commissioner her for point of clarification are you
making a motion to continue and administrative continuance on
the request of the sport are you making a motion to to
accept the applicants request for a continuance because the
processes are different.
>> I would make a motion to accept the applicants. Request
for a continuance it it was too to be pure to the process.
It is not our desire to continue this item it is the
applicant's desire to continue the item, although that may be
different given the 2 book I'm flexible on that point I would
also tell you that if there are people here that want to talk
about this today that we don't have to bring them back I would
not mind hearing the public input if that is appropriate,
but certainly want to be want to follow the process and the
rules.
>> The second or would concur with the fact that its citizens
are here want to talk about the issue they should but this is
the applicant's request.
>> So there's a motion and a second as to the question I
have is called rather we do administrative leave because if
it's the applicant request we have a policy for 48 hours.
And that's chilly reason why I'd rather follow a policy if
we're going by the applicant if we're not going by the Afghan
that's different.
That was why Ed I'm trying to expound on what I think you
have to say thank you I think there's confusion especially
actually in light of of.
>> So all the motion has stated seconder
I would troll restate the motion to be a request for a
continuance still day are the 2 to a continuance date certain.
For September 26.
>> There's a motion by commissioner her second second
by commissioner zembower any further discussion.
All those in favor say aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously since there were no requests to speak on the
continuance we will take up any one who is here and want to
speak on the item understanding that we're not taking up the
item today.
So I am George celery and Melissa Ritchie
Mister salary, welcome name and address for the record.
>> Yeah, George 5231 shoreline sure going want to.
Commissioner I would never. You are wonderful and I am a
little disappointed in the county attorney's opinion on
the check with my legal Advisors in Volusia County
because
say that you can change a public notice that we've all
looked at one day before meeting. It's a very scary
pressure. Some of the popcorn Belmont talk with them about it
and John McCain in particular so because that worries me that
anything that you put out there that can they can be changed at
the last minute 41 spot so I just have to disagree on that
point.
I did meet with that I don't know this for a job here back
in the back about a year ago to talk about this project
and again I think the cat's out of the bag as far as the eye
goes, however. I do think you know our version of 50 I
compare the lake Mary's on the other side of 46, the southern
side of this is very critical as far as looking forward to
when I worked hearing thought when we get all the
infrastructure and international for 50, I mean
sales tax revenues and stuff to pay for all that
to support offices in commercial.
So a couple of things and I talk about I have looked to see
if this is in there. But the construction of this is
supposed to be more of a concrete not like a Maui what
that just flames out we do have 2,400 apartments between 40
section 46 at and hopefully this will be the end of it if
we go this route. And I remember Matt was also
indicating that commercial we'd be on the ground floor like
gyms that the center's
and the restaurants things like that would be in there and that
we would also be saving some of those majestic trees, not a
metal can do that but the one cent line international.
We should be able to save some of those.
I do want to make a point I have talked with mad about
this.
Affordable workforce housing,
which makes it clear 10% I think it should be more than
that. Let me explain why from Seminole County's definition
workforce, housing is up to 140% of the average median
income for Seminole County according to the Seminole
counties and now that number is $67,000. So workforce, housing
is up to $93,000 until last year to you guys want to
qualify for it. I mean
from sham 0.15 making less than $93,000. You know you're barely
in the workforce housing category would you go over that
and so you've got to share of school, teachers firefighters,
people that we need to be able to live in these apartment
complexes. I think we need we need more than 10%. For that
93,000 unless category as far as rent hole, potential go so
we can get these folks in these apartments and stuff like that
even nurses that's part of our workforce housing, it talks
about those categories government employees and staff
so right now the way reaches only 10% have to say in that
category and everything else can be a lot higher so that's
what I have thank you very much, I appreciate it. Thank
you.
The next speaker.
>> Hi there. I'm yes, if you'd state your name and address for
the record yes, my name is Melissa Ritchie and my address
is 1400 encore please.
I am actually the property manager at the lore on Parkway
I have been the property manager there for the last
14 months, I also live on property.
So it is concerning to me to have this number of multifamily
housing units. First of all right my front yard, but
secondly, because if you look at the costar group.
It's a I'm sure most of you know with costar is but they
>> they show us how many units are being built how many are
construction how many are coming online. And in the 3
mile radius right now we have over 1000 units coming online.
We can take my community for example in 290 units on Monday
to 9% and budgeted to be 95.
We have been to Lake Mary that is less than a mile and a half
away that started.
Previous in their apartments in August of 20 22 there at 60%
occupied.
We have a problem we have so much product and not enough
people.
So that's my my main concern my second concern is parking I
like, I said I've been the property manager also live at a
low around highway for the last 14 months, the parking there it
is atrocious.
Yes, we have the eyesore which I think it's kind of nice but
at the parking garage and a pretty good he was. And yes,
we have residents that utilize that we do charge a premium for
that parking garage but at the same time we have been parking
that's where your guests, your friends, your family Park.
So imagine what that's going to look like with the addition of
600 additional apartments.
Whether you go vertical or not
and then you add in any kind of retail or restaurant, it will
be a nightmare. I just wanted to say that for the record I'm
completely opposed to having additional
multi-family housing.
Thank you you're welcome.
>> First person from the industry I've heard say already
have enough housing nations. Yeah speeches as well.
I'm gonna ask the applicant if they would like to come back up
and
have an opportunity to answer any questions that the board
may have or address any of the comments that are made by the
public because I feel like even though we're not taking it up
you did there were some specific comments made about
your project and so I'd like to give you the opportunity if
you'd like it
to comment.
>> Thank you, madam chair, again, Tom Sullivan for the
record I don't.
I think it's really necessary to to address those items today
to be honest that in mind. The fact that the board's
already decided to bring us back on the 26 I think will
will be prepared to get maybe a little bit more before response
to those. So yesterday the questions that we appreciate it
can especially if you're selling all right, thank you
very much. Thank you.
>> Our next item is the Howell branch estates rezone item
number 3122.
We did not vote on the continuance because we did is
they did OK.
Didn't yes we do.
>> My understanding doesn't get better haha and memory thing
takes its toll. So yes.
>> Good afternoon, joy Giles principal planner for the
planning and development Division, the applicant is
requesting approval of the House richest states frees them
from a one agriculture to R one BB single-family dwelling on
4.3 4 acres located on the East side of how Grant road
approximately a quarter mile north of a little bit Avenue.
The applicant proposes to develop the subject site as a
single family residential subdivision in compliance with
the R one BB zoning regulations with the minimum lot size of
5,000 square feet. The minimum lot with the 50 feet.
The subject property has a medium density residential
future land use designation which allows a maximum density
of 10 million units per net buildable acre.
The site is located within the Seminole County utility service
area will be required to connect to public utilities.
The requests that are one B visa. Any classification does
not require a plan for review. During the reason process there
for a time of women, I said the vision the development will be
evaluated for buffers
Stephens the request to be consistent with the Seminole
County comprehensive plan and compatible with the trend of
development, the area which also consists of the requested
our when babies only district as well as the par 3 multiple
family telling Sony district that allows for one story to
story 3 story apartment buildings, townhomes and
condominiums
due to the higher than average concentration of people in
vehicles er one BB zoning district is typically situated
where it's well serviced by public and commercial services
and have convenient access to the fares in collector streets.
This site will access and how Grant road which is classified
as an urban minor to your own Road and is approximately a
quarter mile north of the avenue provided a multitude.
A multitude of commercial service services
in compliance with Seminole County land development code
community meeting procedures, the applicant conducted a
community meeting on 5/25/2023.
The planning and zoning Commission met on 8/2/2023 and
voted unanimously to recommend approval of the request staff
recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
ordinance enacting a rezone from a one to one BB an
approximately 4.3 4 acres located on the East side of how
branch rude a quarter mile north of the avenue. Thank you.
Thank you any any questions for miss Giles.
>> We thank you stay close by and we'll call you back up we
have any other questions as the applicant here into the wish to
make a presentation to the east.
>> Good afternoon though mackay all to do is start to 9,
1, 3, 1, Pennsylvania Avenue Park Florida we've been working
with the joint staff on this for a few months for the staff
and we agree with everything. So I'm here to ask for your
support and to answer any questions for him.
>> Any questions for Mister mackay to thank you thank you.
We reserve the right to call you back if we need to
do we have any public comment on this item that we don't all
right will close public comment.
Public comment for this item
Larry.
>> Madam chair like to make a motion to adopt of those
ordinances act in rezone from a one agricultural
to all one BB sue family dwelling on 4.3 4 acres located
on the East side of how branch road approximately a quarter
mile north of the loom as present here today.
>> Second the motion by the large second base and Bauer,
any discussion.
All those in favor say aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously.
The next item is item number 32 Mustang way.
>> What is the applicant is requesting a that sees me the
applicant's requesting approval of the Mustang way resign from
a one agriculture to R one double a single family dwelling
on approximately 18 acres located east of knotty pines
way proximity quarter mile south of red bug Lake road.
The applicant proposes to develop the subject site as a
single family residential subdivision in compliance with
the R one double a zoning classification but the minimum
lot size of 11,700 square feet and the minimum lot with that
90 feet.
The subject property has a low density residential future land
use designation which allows for a maximum density of 4
dwelling units per net buildable acre.
As you can see from the density map that was provided in your
agenda package.
The site is surrounded by single family residential
subdivisions the property adjacent to the West and North
were developed in compliance with the R one double a zoning
classification and the development adjacent to the
east has it he's an inquest vacation, but the minimum lot
size of 9,000 square feet.
The property adjacent on the South the subject site
occurrences of water treatment plant is owned by Seminole
County.
The property continues flood and wetlands in the southern
portion of the site, a 15 foot minimum, 25 foot overall
average upland buffer will be required around wetlands and
all wetlands and or excuse me post development wetlands and
floodplain must be preserved in a conservation easement time
the final plat
the property is located within the Seminole County utility
service area.
Skipping
the summit County to to the service area will be required
to connect to public utilities, there's a 6 inch water main on
the East side of nodding pines way which is no longer which no
longer meets the current national fire protection
Association standards, therefore expansion of those
lines may require upsizing the line I'm not implying his way
to red bug Lake road.
The 18 acre site is comprised of 6 and develop Parcells none
of which have direct access to the county standard road.
5 of those parcels are vested and would qualify for a single
family residential building permit utilizing access.
The a 15 foot wide in gress egress easement known as
misting way however, the easement is not quite enough to
provide access that would meet the Seminole County engineering
Manuel standards for road within pavement for a
subdivision which is a minimum of 46 feet wide.
The applicant is proposing access from Notting pines way
more specifically excesses propose from last 16 of
senators know plat unit 2
also known as not in pines estates subdivision
and as you can see on the map overhead. The lot outlined in
red is the proposed tax.
The applicant proposes to replant and redevelop across 16
into a 60 foot wide access road with a 15 foot like that for on
the North and South.
The pressure
for is for the purpose of obviously creating a buffer for
lots 1517 and to prevent those 2 lots from becoming a corner
lots.
The requested a reason for a one to R one double A has been
evaluated for consistency with the Seminole County
comprehensive plan and land development code
under policy flu, 17.5 evaluation criteria, property
rights assertions step must determine if the request of use
is a reasonable use
of the property providing compatibility with abutting
properties and is consistent with the generally accepted
land use planning planning principles.
The requested our wind delays and in classification is
compatible to surrounding trend of development in the area
Tensing that back on for you
which consist of our one of the ways the inquest to patients
under a policy. Transportation policy Tra 2.2 17 local Street
connectivity the county show encourage redevelopment and
infill properties to access from existing local roads where
feasible and move can creating additional access points on
collector and arterial roadways.
The propose access from 9 pints way is consistent with the
aforementioned policy by creating connectivity with an
existing local road.
Steph is determined that the request is consistent with the
comprehensive plan and compatible with the overall
trend of development in the area
in compliance with the Seminole County a late development co
community meeting procedures, the applicant to content a
community meeting on 2/6/2023.
The planning and zoning Commission met on me 3rd 2023.
And voted unanimously to recommend denial of the
request, the commission did express said
based on findings that the R one double a zoning district is
not consistent with the trend of development in the area and
did recommend a reason to RC one which is a minimum of one
acre Watts
staff recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
ordinance is connecting a rezone from a one to one double
A on approximately 18 acres located on the East side of
knotty pines way approximately a quarter mile south of red bug
Lake road.
Any questions for miss Giles.
>> Thank you very much is the applicant here and she was to
make a presentation.
Just share my name is Rebecca Wilson here on behalf of the
property owners to 15 North Eola drive much of what was in
my presentation has already been covered by staff so I will
go through it.
As quickly as possible. Do I have a clicker
we we've gone over the education and just one thing I
want to point out of this aerial is is a great place to
do that has has it staff stated there are wetlands on the
southern portion of this property. We are not requesting
any impact to those wet ones we understand that we have to stay
out of those and we also have to comply with the water
management district in FEMA when it comes to any potential
impacts to any of of the floodplain and you'll see that
as the properties were developed post both to the east
and the west of us their coldest sacks and development
ended right along that was one line and we would propose to do
the same thing.
The future land use map is really clear. This is low
density residential property. It is low density residential
all the way around it except for the land that is owned
by the county. Which is why the recommendation from that your
planning and zoning board is rather a curious to me because
I don't see anywhere near us that there's a requirement for
one acre lots.
This is the the request we currently have a one zoning
much like the project just before us and we are requesting
I believe the only zoning district that is compatible
with the L Dr.
This is something that the joint wendover just showing
that our request is compatible not just in the zoning tight,
but also in the required last frontage and lot size. It is
exactly the same as the loss to the north of us and to the west
of us and it's slightly larger than the lots that are to the
east of us.
This just goes through how this rezoning is consistent with the
county's comprehensive plan and it also goes through some of
the findings that are in the staff report about
compatibility one of the things that that is is is probably
most interesting about this side is the need for us to gain
access to it. So we went through and looked and just
trying to figure out how this property found itself in this
situation with out with out
access onto a public right of way we've outlined there how
over the years the county has vacated right of ways that lead
down to this piece of property and in fact when the the
properties to the north and to the east of us were developed.
They that developer requested an abandonment looks like they
gave back so the county drainage and utilities and then
eventually vacated that easement also so that the
portions of the right of way are now people's people's
backyards.
We are not seeking access. 3. The Mustang way we agree
that Mustang way is a 15 foot easement that was meant to
serve the property. It were developed.
As is I believe staff said that there could be 5 vested units
and that's what that 15 foot easement that runs across than
both the northern portion of some of our neighbors.
Properties would support.
Instead we are as you know because it's the next item on
the agenda that we are requesting to connect to not in
Heinz which is a catch. Ali right of way with land that we
have purchased in requesting a reply to County standards when
it wasn't cheap for my clients to go out and
House just to have it eventually become right of way.
And we also work out looking to particularly pick a fight with
any of our neighbors. So before doing that we've tried to gain
access. In many different ways we spoke with your County staff
about trying to connect through the South. But as you can see
that would go through the wetlands and Howell branch
Creek. So we are we are not trying to impact wetlands in
that manner we also tried to connect to the east Side that
is there is land there, but it is that the H.O.A. owns the
land we would have to use to connect and there's also
another private property owner in between there's also a storm
water are these men over much of that property. So it really
left us with the only option and that was to connect to the
West.
And that just sort of goes through all of that once again.
Why I'll just leave it at this we we agree with the staff
report. You know one of the things that we did not show and
at the planning and zoning meeting and may be to our
detriment was the type of concept plan, we're looking at
as a as a as a lawyer I don't like my clients to share these
because we're coming in for a straight rezoning so nothing
showed and this concept plan are you all promising us we
would be able to achieve and vice versa nothing in this
concept plan are we promise saying this is exactly the way
we would do it because as you know this is the first step in
this process and we have to do our final engineering and come
back through the preliminary and then final planning process
but generally if you were we would have gone through all of
this if we didn't think we have and a piece of property that
that was building and so we think that this would be around
33 single family lots that significantly lower. They and 4
units an acre on 18 acres. Remember also is in your staff
report last year your staff rode by as to its definition of
net buildable that building the news wetlands. We've got a
couple couple acres of wetlands net buildable also removes
storm water and right away that is needed to those to those are
things we don't know until we get further in the process.
But again we think it's going to be closer to the 33
single-family lots. I want to do a little magic for already
vested for 5 and we're tearing down one House, you know that's
really 27, new homes compared to what is already in this area
so with that I just we agree with the staff report and I'm
happy to answer any questions you all have and she I just
like to eifert who need to address any concerns from the
neighbors, absolutely
any questions for miss Wilson.
This state correspondent thank you.
All right, we have members of the public who wish to speak
to.
>> We do we have several salted first 3 so what what what do I
just let you all know miss Kuntz will call 3 names that
time and if you would kindly as she calls your name make your
way to the to the wall to the lineup. So that we can make
sure that we've got we're trying to be as efficient as we
can happen folks come down. So listen listen for your name
and that the falling of freight.
>> All right first step is Larry Smith Monica Lewis
followed by George Karl.
Well Larry Smith is a little bit to 74 not going to wait
and.
>> To actually a certified building contractor issue here
in the state of Florida and I have to say to actually go back
and was I'm sorry, I forgot the name but for going back on that
as it stands it serves. For words, 5 are allowed currently.
Second comment she made was trying to get back to work and
say what we purchase a house and knocked down so we can
access his property.
I'm sorry I give doesn't prove that down as always a guarantee
as a gamble.
Gemmell one trying to purchase House tomorrow should our
history.
For 30 minutes, partisan future. She said 33 houses that
translates to 66 cars.
More on our Street.
At the end of our Street we all know owner school.
The other day I had to wait an extra minutes of my life
because people don't listen or watch signs saying no turn
around if you don't live in the neighborhood uses for RNA was
as one of them was just about to buy.
My question is is
and I don't know if he moves would lose the
the future for plans for hurricane Ian actually kind of
a sugar so the 100 year floodplain last year is no
longer in effect.
So I see what you use a new projection on the plans.
Here when they come now, you know world I want to see what
the
what to expect is for the plan lesions be for these 33 ounces
and with the water displacement years
also know that helped free was reached last year when he came
through.
White House on the back of a retention area and I watched a
bank on this could encourage on my property.
So you know what I'm getting at is I just want to see what the
funding is what water projects and on 33 Alice is more when
you need that property was right I move neighborhoods,
you know I understand that. So 1, 2, years of a job and I
seen several engineers you're wrong too.
So I just like to show this is basically I'm just looking at
when you go into your neighborhood you can really is
now you want to add 66, Fort Carson, 33 more houses
destroyed the existing community and knock down the
aisles all again will miss well look at it so I appreciate it
every day thank you thank you.
>> My name is Monica Lewis said 6519 pines way I live next door
to the House that would be really torn down to make an
entrance to the plan subdivision
I have a beautiful forest behind my house right now never
did I think that a few owners of that they can land behind me
would want to tear down a house in our neighborhood and we're
going to have a quiet street.
It's not our fault other development around their vacant
land was approved.
The owners of that they can land have less its Mustang way
to access their property.
Red bug Lake road is already heavily congested
we don't need more vehicles on it let alone the vehicles going
through our neighborhood.
The last thing we need is more concrete and asphalt because
rain doesn't drains through it.
And we've already had flooding in our area.
There's enough to development in Seminole County right now
believe the land zone that the way it is
consider buying the land for the Seminole forever program
don't let a few landowners real in our quiet neighborhood.
Thank you.
>> And Melanie, if you a call the next 3 names. Well this
gentleman, I'm sorry Leonard dicey I'm sorry I failed to
incorrectly and Mike and Lisa Maroney
>> Sir if you'd state your name and address for the record.
>> Good afternoon. My name is George Karl I live with my wife
and 1017 not and pines way and have lived there since 1982
when the development was first planted in 81.
We strongly object
to the rezone so they're not thinking of the excuse me of
the Mustang way property and trying to use not and pines as
the access.
This links, the 2 issues together
and has been stated
repeated to the access to this prop property.
It's dated in their teens as Mustang why the county didn't
do want to think it was in their teens.
So I'm looking at the fact that the Seminole County Board of
County commissioners approved not and pines way
in the plat for Sarah smell unit to February 5th.
1981 and we've looked at it. For 42 years as a stable
forever document which gave our neighborhood. Many benefits
has encouraged
investment and reinvestment in there Combs through home
IMPROVEMENT allows children to walk to and from red ball gown
but preschool safely.
What Mister traffic because of the original plot and design
and the community.
Thanks for your patience for what may or may not be built.
Next to our home or in our community.
Having these
whole and stable condition seems to be the essence
chapter 35.
Subdivision regulations par, one section 35.1
graphic, which encourages development sound and stable
areas in the unincorporated
Seminole County
graft be of that dogged him document requires improvements
and whatnot to become a burden and the citizens taxpayers that
already resigned in the area.
If the rezoning is approved how can the county say they support
this chapter.
What about the direct impact
when the homeowners on either side of one of 13 to 7.16.
What about homeowners equity 19 pardons way.
What about the confidence we share with other neighbors.
Prove a lot of property and class.
Request, the Board of County commissioners tonight rezoning
a Mustang way pretty as recommended by the whining
agency in planning zoning Commission one 5/3/2023.
That also denied a reply to access 19 points way thank you
thank you very much.
>> Sir if you'd state your name and address for the record.
My name is Leonard easy nobody ever gets my last name.
I lose 6 by 9 finds a way my wife Monica was up there just a
little bit ago. Again, she said the House they want to tear
down is right next door to us. We have the woods right behind
us we've been there for a number of years we really enjoy
it.
On our Street is 43 houses.
The neighborhood you can actually Mister 65,000 that's a
108 houses.
Most of those people use our Street to access remote Lake
road.
Where there's a lake.
So we do get a lot of traffic in the morning and afternoon
just doing that but most of the time in the evenings were able
to take nice walks on a quiet street.
With not a lot of cars we have a call the SEC on the end,
the only people to come down they are usually people who
live down there.
But they're going to be turning right next and going into this
new subdivision right next to my house.
If they do it if you allow it and we're going to have
construction for probably a year.
We're more.
Construction vehicles up and down our Street tearing up our
Street
and is it was mentioned before is probably a new pipeline to
one of the police or into the air which was mentioned that
the planning and zoning.
Meeting
we've already had water come up through a manhole covers during
Hurricanes
because of its can't can't handle it.
And we want to put more more houses into that.
And it was talked about in his own commission that they would
tie in the sewer and drainage into ours.
I kind of thought maybe they do it all come out of Mustang
waited dot road.
To alleviate putting more houses onto onto our already
taxed to.
We don't want this to go on.
Mister chairman German and the zoning and planning Commission
recommended RC 1, 1, acre lots.
If you did decide to do it.
I guess said in my opinion would be the best way to go.
I don't want to see any of that done myself.
But it's not my decision
they recommended complete denial.
That's what I recommend to.
>> That's needed. I do worry a little bit 1041 not entice way
that was my wife Lisa.
I don't know a lot of history about this property that they
want to redevelop
but I do understand that it was unfair and cultural.
They can build a few House back to.
So that's what I was just happened.
Every day the week non pines way like people says it's very
congested in the morning, it's hard to get out our Street.
The
car traffic and in the 60 cars to that not all the same time
we understand. But over a period of time than one inch
rising up going down the street
and I would I live next to the right away that would be a
completely different it is right now
I understand people have rights property rights.
Important.
But our property rights and no less important that neighbor's
property rights and I can understand why it's good idea
to allow someone to turn a quiet street in 2 of this
year's tree.
They can build houses there.
Well then do what's allowed to vote.
That's about all I have to say.
>> Thank you very much, Tony would you call the next 3 games
all this. It comes down to the system.
>> And then our lender
that's paying and Joseph Hurley
and to everyone here in Ames.
>> And one I didn't have the numbers that I'm Allen to the
name and I think that
>> we we don't do that but thank you if if you'd like to
someone else would like to speak about them to fill out a
form.
>> You're not just the right and its lease of a rainy I live
at 1041. I think
and we already live where said there's no comes in and makes
to turn to get to the lake so we're already dealing with that
I am a teacher to got half a day to come here. And it it is
difficult to get out just even in the morning this morning,
someone had the traffic guard. The Lady I've talked to before
she said I have no control she said no one will respect even
the children will listen to me. Some man was out there talking
to her this morning so that it never caused any go ahead and
start the timer free condoms sorry.
I will say that I didn't know I saw this I did earlier meeting
about 2 years ago because we keep having this ever constant
situation where it had a minute the Lady that they bought the
House from she never would have sold out in under false
pretenses so I think that it's important to know
the purpose of to me for some the teacher.
>> I used to be restored and that calming to its body mind
and spirit.
We're live in the 3 little pigs with the world we constantly
have this threat that this house is going to get those
down and they're going to put this thoroughfare.
Can we take
I told you before I'm a cancer survivor, I know we have other
things to survivors and that the murder was to take this on
an ongoing basis. This isn't right.
Constantly prepping for this. Without there's no need to
rezone it keeps getting sugarcoated right. He agrees on
something I think they're allowed 45 estate homes is what
I heard at some point I don't know and they're going to go
out some other way they are not going out not in kind. Not in
kind his cause it's applied in subdivision but decided mean
can be changed at any time.
I don't think so I just not getting it for give me on the
need to teacher.
We have that I did some Division, I don't see any
purpose of this coming here, I mean we've got 2 things 14
evidently said today, some people talk about the final
plat for was 16, it's a home it is final.
There's no was going there.
The reason I don't know do they need a reason for these for
Biden state homes that are going out Mustang way.
I don't know, but I just have to say I can't keep coming here
and be visiting.
And I hope that like was said earlier you will do the right
thing like it was your neighborhood.
>> I'm Joe really 1017 1902 a
okay 41 years ago we original homeowners with the young
families at that time been moved to new homes. This a
quiet cul-de-sac Street called I 90 pounds way at the time.
We asked about what about this land east of us which was
developed all the way to got road we were told of course.
It may be developed in the future sure, but with such
access.
What could only be done through through the high dive to the
land was and develop so dire wasn't that was not served as
the
was a reasonable way for access to any of this land.
So over the years most of us as most of the land that was
developed with new homes in this area.
These owners of the land being discussed today
with approval of Seminole County this nice with a piece
of land with access to my state way as to new housing
developments tricks to shape first Park and then how 3 par.
The owners of this land had every opportunity to adapt and
there and a range for wider access.
From dog row.
But instead, they chose to keep the only access to the rustic
retreat with my staying way remaining a single lane road.
So we are now being threatened to fire rezoning which would
inevitably lead to demolishing a perfectly fine House on our
Street to gain access to a new housing development. What would
turn out from a safe quiet cul-de-sac Street into an
access road.
These landowners made their bed when they settle for Mustang
way to be the only access to their land will surely just
device keeping the president a one zoning. So it's only fair
and logical that this rezoning request be rejected. Thank you
thank you.
>> This case if you would read the names again the red last
time so that everyone will have an opportunity to speak and
stuff like that all under, but his waived his right to say and
then Aires pets, fame and Tom Burke is the last day
are either of those other individual any of those it
okay, Mister Burke.
So just so we don't have anyone upset at the end was one of the
names that was called are you here and are you waving your
time.
>> I think they're both in the back.
>> You don't you fill out a form that you do not wish to
speak.
Okay, thank you I appreciate I just want to make sure that at
the end someone doesn't say no and I didn't get my chance.
Great thank you Mister Arnold.
>> My name is over I live at 1036 not and finds a way.
I think you've heard every reason possible that we don't
want this plan to rezone
I love the corner, all know Creek and that impacts so we
have a light at the end of not and pines and the people of the
other subdivision come right around my car and off the
streets. And so we have 2 subdivisions using mounting
fines. In the morning during rush hour. But if you've ever
been on the road the road during rush hour and during the
pandemic there was no rush hour it was a wonderful. So anyway,
I the only thing I can say is please don't approve this is
just such a good neighborhood of the 35 years.
>> And really don't want to change. Thank you, thank you
very much.
>> So there was one of from his written public comment missed
tackle out pass that on the dias for commissioners to read
is there anyone else here who would like to speak on this
item neglected to fill out a form and would like to be
acknowledged.
We are seeing no hands I will close public comment
and with the applicant like to address any of the items that
were brought up.
>> Thank you chair, just a couple of things first I I I
was incorrect when I said that storm water comes out of the
net density I mean yes
that and all of the land is actually flood Plains and
wanted to correct that statement in with regard to the
utility connections, those were discussed at planning and
zoning we have our civil engineer share with us if you
don't have any specific questions about connectivity
and I understand that that the neighborhood is is concerned
about traffic and in fact, the propose number of units is so
small that the code your code doesn't require that we do a
traffic analysis at this time that is that County Road and
we're happy when we come back if this is approved tonight
with the psp to show how the traffic works. There is a
traffic light to the north where people are able to access
through here. And again we are proposing homes that are what a
lot of the same size and dimensions that exist in this
neighborhood now. And what I was a little surprised because
I don't but there's that I have not witnessed this that when I
knew that area back there and it does not appear to be
beautiful Woods. It appears to be an attractive nuisance for
people to go back there and do things we would all prefer
they not do back in those Woods so we would respectfully
request the rezoning and I believe the next item is the
discussion on the 3 plat and all right any questions for
the applicant point any questions for staff.
>> I do I do have a couple of questions for staff there there
Sunday, some clarification and then this trials feel free to
answer our far punt to miss hammock
I think every time we have
and then fell type development like this there's always an
opportunity for it's a very emotional situation, you've got
neighborhoods that are incredibly establishing
wonderful and you all are I've spent years living there.
And so sometimes it's hard to separate the emotion from what
is legally binding and so if we could just have some some
conversation and some education around why.
This is why does it have to be rezoned can you just explain.
We have current zoning there is an underlying future land use
that is already been designated for this property. So walk us
through how you get from if you own a piece of property and has
a future land use that doesn't have have a zoning that is
consistent with that future land use what the process is
because that's why we're here right.
>> That is correct yes, so the existing future land use is low
density residential which allows a maximum of 40 million
units per buildable acre
under that land use we have several different zonings that
would fall under that category for B 2 B of a permitted use.
The a one agriculture zoning classification is what we've
come to consider am holding pattern if you you may have
heard that in the past. It's undeveloped property, but
because of the land use that has potential to be developed
into a more
a property with a greater density
obviously the reason for the request of the access is
because this would be the only viable access for a subdivision
for development of a subdivision.
>> And would a subdivision even include 5 houses
a subdivision could include 5 houses it could be a small
subdivision if
if the owner were to take this property as it stands now with
the 6 parcels and they wanted to divide it up into.
No more units but different lot lines they would have to go
through the subdivision process and they would still have to
find access that is correct because the current tax,
even if we work to limit the number of houses we would still
have to somehow find access for this property. Yes that is
correct.
>> Because I think there's there's a conception that if we
just leave it the way it is and believe it with 5 units that
then we would be OK to use that 15 foot.
>> Yes, so so if they were to leave all of the parcels has is
now with the existing personal lines. It's 5 of these parcels
are are vested for building permits they would have to
utilize Mustang way as their access. It is a 15 foot wide
access. However at building permits the property owner
would have to show that there would be a total of 20 feet and
obstructed for a fire truck to get down that access. So that
had to be 2 additional T so that any unit thing.
And yeah, I'm not sure the correct terminology but for a
fire truck there are overhangs and such that they would have
to have 20 feet and obstructed access. However, if the
property owners wanted to change the property mines as a
subdivision yes, they would have to find a different means
for access, okay.
>> And then one of the other things that I'm perplexed about
as well is low density future land use of low density
residential allows for what type of zoning classifications
I know it's 4 units per acre, but tell me what the zoning
classifications act that would be single-family residential so
there's a range of a zoning classifications under that I
can actually read the list to you if you would like would you
put it up on the screen for us, yes.
And you know, I'm going to ask it is and that baby and.
>> So here is where you see our low density residential future
land use and if you go across that states the maximum cooling
units affordable units per acre.
Next to that you see all of the permitted zoning
classifications we have our one which is a minimum lot size of
5,000 square feet.
I want a r one double A which is being requested state 11,700
square feet and then it goes up from there are when triple-a I
won quite Triple A a one.
And also our C one which is a one acre minimum and PD okay
all right, thank you.
>> The other thing that I heard actually read a lot and the
e-mails was related to school traffic.
And as a recovering school board member. I will tell you
that week that separate and apart from whatever happens
today, we can take up the issue of parents pulling in and
partnering with the sheriff's office and having enforcement
there that we have done that all and I see people nodding
their heads, try me try me I know that listen we've done it
in other neighborhoods because this is not a problem that's
unique to this neighborhood and I I'm sure commissioner dallari
says this is his district will be happy to work with chairman
Krause we can make that something that separate and
apart from this that that is a priority. If it's a continued
problem in your neighborhood so I'll make that commitment to
you.
I think that's all I have are there any other questions or
comments commissioner.
>> Just a couple of the other things that were addressed and
and
so you can see in there the request could be for a smaller
lot size, but the lot size is consistent with the neighbors
around it.
I do think they're dead can stick a couple of the concerns
that I heard that I think are really really important and
that is this is a county Road.
And we're in order to build
thirtysomething houses there's going to be trucks up and down
that and you know I have this happen all the time in my feet
very buildable district.
That road is going to become a potentially troublesome
and at which point would we be required to either resurface or
rephrase that road. I really do think that if if we go down
this past that has to be in play for us because it will
impact the road. And then the second piece that I heard now I
suspect that's going to be for same person answering this
question science of all just address the second one to get
on the record.
What I heard was
from one of the the neighbors was that we saw water coming up
at some point through the manhole covers the pipeline is
not big enough to handle what we have there now
my understanding is that in order to put this additional
housing in that that pipeline would be rebuilt which would
also dig up the road. So I think the redo of the road is
is incumbent in here. But I just want to make sure it's not
a portion of the road, not the road right in front of the
House and I want real clarity around that and I want
confirmation that whatever is being done with regard to that
pipe does fix the problem on the road that exists for the
neighbors that are already there in addition to
accommodating the next neighborhood.
Anyone want to drive from staff want to address those comments
from commissioner.
>> I'll just add if if this gets approved to move forward
once it goes the next step I think once it goes through the
development review process it would have to meet all County
codes which would
taking account the utilities, the roads and all of that so
this there's still several hurdles that it would have to
go through and approvals that it would have to
have before they would be issued a permit.
Commissioner dallari
thank you madam chair.
Before we get started I'd like to commend the residence.
>> I think through this whole process and as we've been
working on this for the past couple years.
But you can bury a patient. He lost a very respectful.
We also agreed to disagree.
I think you should be commended for that.
I also want to thank the applicant for their hard work
and trying to make this work.
He's saying that
these private its existing in the staff presentation.
It says that
the subject
is comprised of 6 undeveloped parcels 5 of those parties
with qualify for single-family residential permits utilizing
the existing
utilizing the access.
Which is the 15 foot.
Ingress and egress known as much team way.
I really do believe that you know we're not taking anybody's
property rights away.
I also believe that rights to that site
he's very well documented its Mustang way
too,
take an existing plant
and to change it, I think would be wrong
and I really believe that we should
deny this
because they do have access to their property on Mustang way
and that's been like that for
I have not tracked all the records put been like that for
many many years.
And there is no reason to change it now there's no reason
to change the existing plant. On
19 pine ways and not find a way
and I believe the
consistency of giving them access to their property on
Mustang way to be the right thing to do
does any of the discussion of to detain it otherwise it would
make a motion second.
>> I didn't make the motion. I'm going to last for a motion
and second when we got to share. Kerry, thank you.
Yeah, we're yeah we did.
Commissioner dallari appreciate your willingness to move
forward is there any other discussion or any questions
related to that.
Commissioner of this just so
again, I don't have all of the history here, but.
>> The land was their first with these very broad zoning
requirements and all of the development that happened
around this piece of property happened to it too.
So these landowners at some point it became encircled by
subdivisions that everyone else has the luxury of living in in
our previous hearing we heard
the person that runs an apartment complex don't want an
apartment complex next door to my apartment complex and and
this is who do not waiting your concerns to this because this
is a lot different because quite honestly I think we
failed somewhere in the history of this with regard to access
to property that somehow
became and circled and circled by wetland a road that you can
access and and then need build what looks like half acre
quarter acre lots all the way around it what
who's going want to live on an acre House back there.
>> Commissioner disagree with you its staff saying it did
they do have access.
>> I'm just really don't have accessed for comparable lot
size, but they have access for the property that they have so
are you saying that you would build 33 houses back there.
Say what I said was we staff report.
>> And they're saying that they would give a building permit
for the 5 lives that they have access that some say.
>> And I just I find that to be incompatible with all the other
building that happened around here that is that we have to
that's the challenge.
>> That's around so are there any other questions for staff
or any other dialogue that we want to have around us.
>> And chairman says no to dialogue
like to make a motion to deny the adoption of the ordinance
enacting a rezone from a one agriculture to R one double a
single family dwelling on approximately 18 acres where
Kidd on located east of 90 not in pine way approximately one
quarter acre south of red bug Lake road as presented here in
the back.
>> So motion by commissioner dallari a second by
commissioner Constantine any further discussion.
All those in favor say aye aye any opposed no.
All right so the motion fails 2 to 3.
So is there a and substitute motion. Madam chair, yes.
>> You know again.
As well stated by many of us here.
You know the unfortunate thing this is an emotional thing.
This is a development as
been here 42 plus years.
I know many of you been around this area for quite some time,
including commissioner Constantine I can
the recall is as a high school student when the subdivision we
came out of the ground.
Friends in that area that we used to be able to write a
horse's back and forth can't do it anymore because now
subdivisions
and so we talk about compatibility but really what
this really boils down to is.
They have the legal right to the future land use.
They're not asking for text amendment they're not asking
for a minor or major Matt.
They they've been encircled it been closed out.
And this notion.
As we move forward in time in this County.
As in the field Kurz and redevelopment occurs that we
would never touch a plaid well that's been done numerous times
in this County already in order to accommodate additional
development or different development going for
commercial residential and and back and forth
and so I get it and nobody likes all that we all want to
have what we have but the reality is they have a legal
right to develop the property under the county's plan and
that's all they're asking for. So with that said madam chair,
I will move to consider rezone from a one agriculture to R one
double A for single family residential subdivision
approximately 18 acres located east of nanning finds weigh
approximately a quarter mile south of red bug Lake road.
>> There's a motion by commissioner zembower second
second by commissioner her their discussion commissioner
Constantine.
>> Under debate.
No one's denying that they have the opportunity to develop the
property.
I supported the denial because I felt the R one double A was
not the right so many.
If you look at what the
planning and zoning board did denial.
They also suggest that if you are going to develop this.
In any other thing it would be our C one.
I would just request that if you all want to go forward with
this.
But instead of zooming R one double A
that you go with RC one I think that gives more comfort to the
the people that live there it would it would cause less
stress on the roads. We're talking about a 33 units were
talking about if it's the average of 10 units are 10
trips per day.
Take out the one House that's 320 additional trips per day.
I'm not the 66 cars but we're talking about trips now
and I feel that this would be a much better.
Wage develop that property, nobody's taking away, anybody's
property rights.
They have the opportunity to develop it. And it would be
developed under the R one. Under the low density
residential as our C one so I'm asking
the then to 3 members that have voted against commissioner
Dolores motion to reconsider the R one double A and go with
our C one.
>> Was the motion or what I would what I would say I
appreciate that commissioner is if you want to be consistent
with what's around it just puts consistency in place in the
reality is they can ask for much more dense or under the
current future land use and they're not so the reality is
this would put it in and lock step
with what's around you. It's not going to be bigger and
smaller 20 extent of what already exists and that the
neighborhood.
I can't speak or planning and zoning board with it but our
staff analysis has been consistent since day one,
it's still consistent. And so
although appreciate that the motion or would not change the
motion.
We have 2 commissioner dallari thank you.
>> When people buy into a subdivision they actually
and the same with the Platte isn't requirements of that
plant
that is inherent
understanding of what that future development is
to actually change the plat not in pine.
I think it's wrong.
We changed twice before, but not to this extent.
And I think that you're doing if we do this we're setting a
precedent stent that
other subdivisions need to be concerned.
>> Any other discussion.
Sure just for clarification say the current land use allow 6
homes back there.
That is correct and there's
and there's currently how many acres there's 18 acres and so
under commissioner Constantine suggestion, how many homes
would be allowed.
>> Under are so well is that the problem still lies that
under our C one we still have the access issue.
So without access. Even a reason to RC one would not
allow
sure any future development.
So so it's I guess what is the term red herring so us doing
that doesn't actually grant the entitlement to the property
that exists that that's correct its personal lines were to
change under an approved RC one so you can use to come. She's
sure of that.
>> I think it's the mic you come to the K.
>> So under R C one of the zoning could change but the
parcel configuration could not change and still access and are
busting way easements they would have to have a new access
in order to change the parcel lines
for even RC one.
>> I did not suggest that they would not still have to go
through Nottingham pines way
I voted against Sir, I voted for the denial, I'm just giving
an alternative to the R one double A and the 33 units it
would be less aggressive for the current
housing development while still allowing them to develop their
property. So I'll ask the question again.
>> Under that suggestion how many homes could be built back
there assuming the access point on to Nottingham.
>> I'm going to just a moment because we don't have a
complete calculation for flood warning and wetlands.
I'm just going to estimate if there were 3 acres of
floodplain wetlands and then we would also subtract internal
right of way.
So let's see possibly
maybe 13 or 14 homes.
Somewhere around there.
I'm trying to compromise.
>> Commissioner zembower and I would point out and this may be
a question for civil engineer.
This is what's being requested. There's no guarantee they can
build 33 homes until they do their civil engineering until
they go through Saint Johns water management Hill, they
meet all the other criteria and other governmental bodies.
They want a Max of 33 this could very well come back as
3027 28 depending on we know what their their permitting
goes through Saint John's and the water and we all know it
was mentioned by even the residents with hurricane Ian.
The water management districts are taking a much closer look
at this.
So they they may not get even near what they're requesting
this is just the first step that has to come back to us
again for reconsideration on the final plat.
>> Chairman yes, the challenge that I'm having is that you're
restricting this land owner to less than half so I'm by
eyeball on a very small screen counting up the number of lots
next to it which is about half of the with a lot of property
that we have here there's wetlands there too
with the you're just holding it to a different standard.
So I I would concur with the motion or that I I
I find under the findings of law which I'm supposed to be
inviting that I I I concur with the motion still.
So I.
>> What I'm I'm hearing. I think what I'm hearing is the
main objection from the nearby residences the access to the
property. And if there was any way to have Mustang way or some
other creative which I believe has already been explored
extensively from the briefings that I've been a part of.
I don't see how changing the applicant's request for zoning
of R one double A to anything else.
Change is what the main objection is.
So there's a motion a second. All those in favor say aye aye
any opposed ios motion passes 3 to 2.
And can I just that.
I don't know how we got here but Curry never do that again.
>> Just because a massive piece of land in the middle of
subdivisions all the way around it with no consideration for
the road.
>> Commissioners, well, and that's a very good point.
And I've heard and when I first got on this commission. I've
heard commissioner Carey say numerous times.
This is another one of those examples where
for whatever reason
3040 50 years ago things were slip through the cracks access.
2 parcels of property and that it's incumbent upon us. As we
move through development phases that were very very cognizant.
Well what our actions will do to adjoining property insurer
that if we're up and running right away or of any needs
months we don't put somebody in this kind of predicament
because the end of the day. That's that's what happened
here.
It was activity from. And this elected board on this
particular one the previous ones with guidance from staff.
Allowed access not to be
game to this property.
And that's unfortunate.
>> So item number 14 is a non public hearing items part of
the consent agenda. And that's the the final plat for the
center's mill subdivision and that.
>> And is that was approved not approved this morning.
>> It was that's why we're doing. Yeah, so at this is a
request for approval of the final plat for lot 16 center
small unit to subdivision containing an access road on
0.26 acres. Sundar one double-a located on the East side of 19
Hines way a quarter mile south of red bug Lake road the
applicant is requesting approval of this reply lot 16
to provide access to the Mustang way rezone property.
Any questions for
Mister Ailes the chairman I have one speaker and this is a
non public hearing item it's can said please because it was
not that's right couldn't speak this morning, it was a little
okay, I had some Tom Burke.
Mister Burke you spoke earlier.
All right, thank you for the fight for finding that I
appreciate that
if you have a form that you would like to sell out you're
welcome to do that but we don't have people shout out from the
audience if you'd like to bring a form to miss cans should be
happy to take it from your mind.
No Sir thank you.
So we have any questions for miss Giles and I heard none.
Their emotion.
>> Food for the final plat for lot 16 Sutter's Mill, you know
to some of the same access road on 0.2 6 acres zoned R one
double a located on the East side of 95 where Proxima
quarter mile South. A red bug Lake road.
>> Second there's a motion by commissioner zembower second by
commissioner her any discussion. All those in favor
say aye aye any opposed nato's motion passes 3 to 2.
We're moving on to our County attorney's report and any of
you who would like to say welcome to stay but if you'd
like to go we just ask that you leave by at least we can have
on her next item. Madam chair, yes, 85.
Let's wait just a moment.
Yes I think that would let these folks leave so that we
can
I don't want to disrupt anything that you have to say
you don't have kept there's no County, I'm there for. So I
know that we are taking up under the county manager's
report the item from earlier today, yes, so would you mind.
I can do CS and.
>> I appreciate that we we did verify the email that the
chairman said to us regarding Altamonte the city of Altamonte
Springs and that was a letter regarding their city roads.
Not the county roads that we're recommending. We have also
talked to all the reached out to all the city's Sanford and
Oviedo got back to us that they have no problem with the
changes. That fdot is making to counter has.
We haven't heard from all of them, but again dot has sent
them the same letter that they sent us with the changes that
they were recommended to the cities. They are working they
would work with metroplan fdot if they have any changes or
objections. So staff our staff has no objections with the
changes that are being proposed for Seminole County Road.
So therefore staff is recommending approval to the to
the changes that were presented this morning and then if you
approve those cool for those 2 Metro plan.
>> And he put it commissioner Constantine I was just to make
a motion okay.
Any questions any questions I can motion by commissioner
Constantine second by commissioner zembower
all those in favor say aye aye any opposed to a motion passes
4 to one.
>> And that's just the last thing I have is that I was
accepted into leadership Seminole and I started
orientation last Thursday I sweated all day Friday. The
Girl Scout camp, I can't pronounce it Callie Callie
thank you
and I'm I'm looking forward to that to that journey this year.
So I'm just want to update the board on that end to accept it
was very close. It was I'm excited to learn the community
but then to the nonprofits and the local businesses to some
looking forward to that experience.
>> Thank you very much of anything else so we can if you
would like to take a quick break before district
Commission reports that we can power through it is a minute
we've got to the board what would you prefer
I'll try to go through 5 to break up break yet in anybody
any district Commission report starting with district 2.
How convenient.
>> So make sure everybody receive a copy of senator
Rubio's
letter to the EPA under the shared by his office will be
following up
with them too and sure we get some kind of response to that
chair of men's letter that we sent from this board.
I move for a letter and resolution appreciation to mark
West some who served on the contract and mortars the
contract for many years Marcus move out of the county so he
must relinquish his seat.
I would also like to point and replacement Mister Joe strong
of services to replace seat held by Mister West until
December 2023.
Want to see them rotates the district 3.
MPO we cover that I think pretty much already today at to
get staff briefings on that, I'm sorry medical examiners
nothing on MPO I think we covered that as well today is
so outside of that I do
want to thank everybody for
us getting through this new movement with our new County
manager and our new County attorney think and trust we're
all experiencing a lot of good things happening. So just
wanted to show that some thank you all.
>> Would you like to put your motion out for the yeah
appointments, it's American.
The commissioner zembower motions commissioner
Constantine seconds the order in which we do things here
really doesn't matter. All those in favor say aye aye any
but yes missed as their specially late in the day.
>> Yes, resolution and there are 6 ministers strong us.
>> Great thank you all that I was a unanimous yes for
commissioners hours. Motions
alright next we have district 3.
>> Thank you and so we can do in the right order I will
request a motion of 4 and that I will make a motion to thank
Mister William wills
who served in the park and preservation
advisory committee I believe now for 9 years.
So make a motion of appreciation and in the same
motion make a motion to appoint miss Jeanne Ellis in to replace
him.
>> Some second motion by commissioner Constantine second
by commissioner zembower all those in favor say aye aye any
opposed motion passes unanimously.
>> Thank you all so I just wanted to congratulate has
since you know we we have a number of great
charity organizations in this County, one of which that we
have supported the sharing center had there.
Like a share the light gala this past week that I believe I
saw a commissioner dallari also want to congratulate them on
that.
On August 25th our County manager will be speaking to the
group that he barely made a guy in the leadership Seminole and
the coffee conversation. At 08:00AM is that correct
Commish a mess or County manager yes and then on the
29th through the 31st of August. I will be attending the
opioid solutions leadership network exchange. For the 4
Naco and on the 31st same day of the so with the opioid cast
the state opioid task force that will be meeting for the
first time.
I also wanted to congratulate because it's something that has
become
this and then it is
become so popular as well as some meaningful. On September
9th at 06:30AM the tunnel for 2 towers 55 K will be running at
cranes roost once again we'll see theirs.
And that's that's my report, thank you district 5.
>> So I shared earlier a few powerpoint decks from the
central Florida Expressway authority one was with regard
to the customer experience. I just wanted to share that and
then I also shared that with Andrea WB to get here she comes
that's the new name.
They do a tremendous job of using dashboards and reporting
out on the customer experience within their organizations and
so now that we have folks here that have time to dedicate to
that I'm just sharing the information and what I'm
sharing with them. I also shared with you.
You know the board the second deck that I shared with you is
the more important Jack and that's with regard to the
extension from 4.17 to the Sanford airport.
And it is important to note that we did move it from
concept feasibility and Mo mobility, the board did vote to
move it to PD and E
it is also important if you look at any slide that you look
at the viability slide which indicates that the
financing projections. The viability only works if this
board makes a financial contribution. They do not want
to be said that we never knew that it was a surprise when it
comes back here so that is the way with that I will officially
turn all of that management over to the county manager to
bring back to the board as you work with the executive
director down at CFX to make sure that we're just kept in
staff every turn of the corner
I would also tell you that there was public comment that
was very legitimate and that is that there are a lot of new
subdivisions that are either.
In the past that have not been determined, but the potential
passing those potential past change.
As time goes by, but I'm just be cognizant of the fact that
there with the vacant land is we're approving new
subdivisions out there and we can't not do that and so this
is a balancing act that is beyond comprehension but it was
moved on by the board unanimously.
So that's that is the good news.
On August 17th, I attended the school supply donation that was
the donations were gathered by our library staff and our fire
staff and we rolled up the truck and dropped off a whole
bunch of stuff to tools for schools, which is a division of
the foundation for Seminole County public schools we had a
couple of board members out there and it was it was a great
day. Firefighters are always a hit everywhere they go I think
I have learned that into my house when they pick my
mother-in-law.
They do a phenomenal job with that that I think that wraps up
my report of a district one.
>> Thank you madam chair, we got him a new credit or reading
about this year's hurricane season.
And also spoke to being one of the the past president of
Newark up in DC is a big issue that's pending out there like
to ask a county manager to look at it.
EV vehicles becoming so prevalent.
The evacuation of the state I just want to make sure that
we're prepared for that note, here's I know this grant
opportunity to D C
for temporary EV charging and I'd like to have a staff to the
county manager report back to us so that we can be a little
more informed and or be prepared. A case of emergency
that you know how do we deploy
temporary EV charging out there. So that the state can
evacuate either North or whichever direction. They're
going.
>> So I attended a meeting at the emergency operations center
with our partners to do the right to not progress anymore
to do what I want to thank and as Stephen Lerner Allen Harris
what's not able to attend he was not well, and Stephen
Lerner actually brought that up as an agenda item, they're
working on that. I want that's actually a member for TV to.
There is a real concern that when when and if and evacuating
situation from South Florida, hers that folks who do come
North. If you are driving electric vehicles will run out
of juice juice. They run out of gas that run out of electricity
right about and Central Florida. And we don't such as
we love to provide them shelter, we don't want them to
have to stay long so they they are talking about what those
the mitigation efforts might be so.
>> For sure madam chair, I think there is an avenue up in
DC to get Grant funding to do something what that is I don't
know
but I think that staff to the county manager should explore
that can be put back it's just something that we can do to
help
with that would be great if we could yeah I think that's and
my reporting that's great.
>> It's just good to know that they are they're already on it
we've got such a great team they already have on their
radar.
So the agenda has 2, 3, 5, 1, 2, 4,
>> I got to look at the lollypop to the
>> so I move not to do that. So I got a couple items for my
district airport and then a couple things I want to address
from the chairman's report.
>> Took a field trip to Dave's hot chicken there's already one
in Altamonte Springs, but this new store just opened in Lake
Mary and I will tell you Dave's hot chicken is hot and the the
the even it was hot. It was delicious I highly recommend
the macaroni and cheese. So welcome to Scott Strom and
his team for opening up that new location.
I had a meeting with a gabby melts from the Seminole so
water conservation districts, they are still incredibly
engaged and wanting to offer all hands on deck with
education, particularly around private Wells and so I know
Darren and his team are going to be talking with them about
ways that we can continue to incorporate them and make sure
that we're utilizing every available resource that we have
to continue to communicate.
I had an opportunity to go down to the bright line station and
talk with the folks down there. Christine keep over and I'm
just all of the elements and opportunities that are there
with bright line. They have done an amazing job and I know
that so many of us are excited about that service beginning.
Did a little video for the Orlando economic partnership
talking about why Orlando is such a great place and why
Seminole County and is excited to be a part of the Orlando
region and why we are great for economic development and all
the other things that they told me to say in the video and and
it was it it was great. Thank you to our St. TV team. Putting
that together.
The 2 things that
maybe the remark time-consuming or corn or not depending on how
much we'll talk about it but code enforcement continues to
be a challenge for my district and I hear anecdotally that may
be challenges and other districts as well and there and
I talked to captain Purcell
and I've talked with a couple of members of our team we we
are a mult it's and it's like an octopus because we've got
agencies and departments handling different types of
code violations and I have a situation in my district right
now where there's an an animal issue so we've got animal
services involved there is a building structure permit
issues of the building Department is involved there
are. It's there's trash and debris and other various and
sundry things that the sheriff's office is involved in
and that the building Department issues go to a
special magistrate, the other code issues go to this to the
code board and and all the while the
offender the part of the property owner is having to go
to all these did and I just feel like in all of that not
only are we doing our citizens a disservice. But this cannot
be working for our teams. So would the board be
interested and having our staff work with the sheriff's office
and and perhaps bring back
for a work session or some type of discussion. So that we can
give direction on if there are things that need to change in
the way that we handle things I feel like.
I feel like we're a mess commissioner.
>> Okay a resounding yes to include the possibility of
using the special magistrate throughout the entire process.
So that we're not bifurcated into a committee.
Etcetera I I really do feel like that process is a
disservice to
the citizens that live around the folks that are violating.
I have heard over and over again I can't enforce that I've
asked the question how do you want me to rewrite it so that
you can enforce. I'm stuck in the battle between 2 sets of
lawyers that say yes you can enforce it no, we can't enforce
it, it's not a problem we'd like to talk him into complying
before it's not good and it's just not fair to the people
that live around it. I have multiple of them that I've met
wrestled with and I've actually now just taken the citizens
under my wing because I feel horribly responsible for them
because really we're not making progress so it has been I think
one of the more.
The greatest opportunities for improvement that I've seen
since we've been here since I've been here which is over.
>> Yes, yes and yes.
I've been complaining about since the day I arrived here,
I'm glad that I have fellow commissioners that are
beginning to see the light of this issue
and I think it's really a deeper problem than what has
already been mentioned I think we really need to take a real
long look at.
What this board believes code enforcement should be doing
vs
what the state regulations have changed over the last couple
years with legislation on what we can or cannot do.
And then we we really need to take a good long. Look at
is this something we want to keep
under the umbrella of the sheriff or does it come back to
the county I understand all the reasons why we went to the
sheriff back and
the late 90's early 2 thousands. So I think you've
got to include the sheriff is part of the conversation and
his folks
because part of it from the issue of gun sit on these
on the hearings
and dealt with what everybody else is do here with part of
the problem is consistency across the districts.
One I've quickly learned his
one code enforcement officer may enforce and commissioner
Lockhart district is not being enforced in my district and
then there's all kinds of excuses why
and I get
and we really want compliance, we're not really looking to
put people in jail or fine them or take their homes we just
want compliance. And it just seems to be an uphill battle
nonstop. I'm dealing with food trucks in my in my district
right now and I'm being told was the king of food trucks and
now they've been exempted both state and I'm like I don't know
as the county Attorney's Office to look into that so hopefully
I will get some information on that.
So there's all kinds of the having it's it's it is because
building Department has to get involved for this and I mean
maybe we take a hard look at other jurisdictions and what
they're really doing what works what doesn't work.
It's it's mind boggling
commissioner Constantine and you know it's interesting
because
I can recall when I first got here commissioner glory was
complaining about it,
I know I have. Now here. Commissioner zembower
commissioner locko I mean we all we all there's got to be a
better way.
You know with brilliant mind down near the end and his
staff.
I think we'll let them come back with some recommendations.
>> I you know I have served in different jurisdictions where
it was a lot simpler and I've got an issue in my district
right now the has gone on and on and they have
used every opportunity to bypass the whole process so
that the other neighbors are just furious, and they can't
get a can't do anything and it's at least 9 months has been
going on so
there there's there's got to be a different, you know, I'm just
gonna say this year there are other jurisdictions do it
differently and let's at least see if there's other
opportunities.
>> We at Ford we have 5 is the reason why should research okay
so I think there's consensus. And then the last thing,
I'm just I want to update you on from the chairman's
perspective is we had a conversation about the
canvassing board here publicly many many months ago.
I I worked with the chief judge at the time was just direct
sailor and worked with the county Attorney's Office and
sent a letter and that message to the judge the judge wrote
the letter everything was done the way that we believe we were
advised by legal to do it. We have some folks in the
community who are not happy with the decisions that were
made
including the fact that one of us has chosen not to serve on
the canvassing board and and so I realized I did not come back
to you publicly and tell you that my decision was to not
serve on the canvassing board for a variety of reasons I
really was considering doing it. But
it would preclude as you all know me from from being
involved in any one is on the ballot. But also any
initiatives and not knowing what may be coming down the
pike in terms of
a petition drives and and people in the community who may
want to put something on the ballot and 24. I felt like I
needed to be able to do my job as a commissioner and not
hamstring myself on the canvassing board so we're on
the cusp of the charter review and Ron that right exactly I'm
so I with the county manager's have permission appointed
Trisha Johnson to serve as my representative on the
canvassing board and Trish actually said thank you that
that if it didn't she didn't say all find your tires,
he was excited, she is.
So the thought process is that we would still have someone who
is very incredibly capable and reliable and of an arm of
Seminole County government represented on that board.
There the other appointment, what is a member of the state
Attorney's office. So I thought that might not be a bad idea to
just go ahead and have someone from the state Attorney's
Office on the board and I did reappoint with the permission
and blessing of the supervisor of elections. And as many Kia
to serve again on the canvassing board. She is a
longtime member of this community who is volunteers and
many different capacities and she was willing to do it again.
Despite some of the troubles and things that she encountered
the last time she felt like. It was her civic duty to
continue to serve in that capacity if we were willing to
I was willing to reappoint her. So the judge appointed her
person and an alternate and and so that is that was all set
your office I believe there's a letter that was sent but I
didn't bring it back to you publicly and I and I feel badly
that I did not do that so it was not something that this
board votes on it it's
right call.
So so if you hear rumblings in the community that that was my
decision and
and I think we have a meeting set up with some of the
community members who have concerns so that we can sit
down and go through the statute and share with them.
Why we feel it was done appropriately so that is that
item and I'm sure sure my file can a manager.
So chair last year if you don't mind. Yes, I think that it that
way super appropriate
any that that's all I have for my district important
chairman's a report we have commissioner zembower.
>> Thank you and and and I just want to make sure I thought
bringing up to code enforcement is great, I thought that might
be under new business we want to bring up for future agenda
items but regardless.
>> Because I didn't talk about something I need to talk about
in my district or pull you had a second shot at it. I was
trying to be judicious and equal treatment under the law
didn't want to take 2 shots.
The future agenda item may be.
So earlier today we had a discussion that I'm very
uncomfortable with about.
And this has been an ongoing problem with
how things are placed on our website for public and help the
public gets access to that.
I am not comfortable
that we're changing documents today ahead of the meeting
for for for the public's intake.
It may be a 100% legal it may be right, it may be defendable
but I think in all fairness we've all talked about how we
need to be as transparent as we possibly can
getting something on
a website on Monday. For Tuesday meeting
when human nature for most part where these people are engaged.
They're looking for stuff.
You know the week before during the weekend when they have time
away from their children or whatever they've got is sitting
in front of their lazy boy watching the news or whatever.
I think we need to really come up with some
reasonable timeframe
something gets on there. Especially when it comes to
for the development on the orders under the guys of I
think that we're going to solve the problem we really should be
looking at nomenclature there
because most of these folks hearing that are involved and
concerned about development.
There are for development. Well look at all to a memo is
because sometimes we have memos that are 8 memos deep which can
be 20 pages long.
So just a thought I think we need to look at that.
Outside of that I think we're doing much better with things
on the agenda from a timeframe
so that's good still not comfortable having dialog going
back and forth 3 days before hearing, but
all my
so from the cross hairs to do that during the weekend.
If I'm if I'm honest
just a thought under which all starts orbit.
I'm just not comfortable.
We put that on the day before.
>> Well, and I think what you're bringing up is something
that we need to talk about I don't know that needs to be an
agenda item that comes to the board. But certainly we can
give direction to the county manager in the county attorney
to look into that and come back with what you think is
appropriate that I'm not sure I agree commissioner Larry
I agree with.
>> Look you in the commission's in there and that's the reason
why I believe we had to call safe.
That if you want to the continuance it had to be 48
hours beforehand
I'm glad that this board as it continues and that the
applicant
and I think that that was one way being transparent with the
with the citizens because things are happening.
The day before.
I think you're both spot on the team to figure out what the
right processes.
>> So I guess the
we will do a little bit of an autopsy on that and not
situation.
Was there not an opportunity to pull the item.
So we didn't have to continue it. He didn't have to continue
it. If the Ducks are in a row we continued to date certain.
It is that the problem staff can request an. Well because
there was no to it unit was continued to a date certain
which was today.
>> So there had to be a formal action item by the board to
continue it again or would have to be re advertised which is.
I could have been re advertised.
So we actually address that and 2.8 5 more policies and
procedures and and there isn't
in cases of an emergency or extenuating circumstances.
The board can determine to that items to be continued, but we
and under administrative continuances
the county manager the board on the recommendation of the
county manager the recommendation of the county
attorney or on its own may determine that circumstances
exist which make the continuation of a public
hearing on the agenda item in the best interest of the public
and I think that's what commissioner dallari directed
the action he got us to that point right. I'm looking to you
guys to get us to that point the staff to get us to that
point so we're not trying to figure it out on the run right
and and the fact is that stuff you know this. We're coming in
hot this item and changes were being made up until the last
minute I also say that we cannot hold staff accountable
to we've got to have a date certain and you got to have the
stuff in 2 weeks ahead and then be negotiating with these
people up until 2 minutes beforehand
so great were in this next great that we're in this man.
>> 6 and so if we're going to live to that and we can't get
aggravated that something it's continue to for not setting up
the briefings in time for not reading the stuff in time if
we're saying oh one more thing.
We got on that.
>> No that's right and the reason I raise that was
well the broken I was watching an initial hearing was
continued for Canada before the hot spot.
But the fact that we were talking about affordable
housing.
Workforce,
at the end of the week before the hearing that have been
raised a month earlier we'll be on the like this was an issue
why or why this flurry of memos going back and forth we keep
change obviously something's happening.
>> So so I'll give you my take on that I think that that it I
don't think that's as easy to figure out as we all think you
don't just you know do the I dream of Jeannie thing and do
all the financials and all of the bill I just think that
stuff take some time.
And so I think we have to be careful when we're setting
something for date certain we need to get concurrence that
and maybe we need to have a process where we say we're
going to latest date certain to axe, but that means you have to
have your ducks in a row by why which is the 2 weeks beforehand
were not spelling that out ahead of time you would think
everybody knows but listen. I do got on the other side of
this podium, more often than I'm on this side of the podium
and I lose track of the deadlines of everybody else is
so because they're not all consistent with some people
that you turn stuff in a day at a time.
All right so I think there's consensus to tackle that peace
and they're back in stock and 30 and do you want to way and
we'd love it if you'd like to picture. So in this case
unfortunately.
>> They did not give us the master development plan until
after the agenda had published and so and then of course there
were changes on that master development plan. So I did ask
their consultants should we just continue this to just
continue and they said no they didn't want to continue it.
We did email the memo on Thursday. So I'm not sure why
he wasn't a polluted and I want to throw anybody under the bus.
>> The boss bad. That's our issue we can we can handle that
can I just add one thing and this and I totally concur with
all the just add it to X y and Z this is the that we're that
we're finding one thing that I have I noticed here that and
said you know, I've worked in many jurisdictions here in
central Florida. We pose are published our agenda in my
opinion way earlier than for the meeting and that just so
for you for for for reference after today. We meet on
Thursday to go over the next agenda and then we publish it
and so we have 10 days of it out there with any changes that
and what the what the current situation what was happening to
people which of staff would change stuff would come from
your offices are applicants we would change that we would just
keep uploading it right and so one of the things that we have
all talked about is is shorten that time frame to the public.
But all work with all of you on it, but we will bring that
we're reviewing it will bring all that back to you for what
our recommendation would be because I think it's very
confusing just working in other jurisdictions I know how things
change and so I have even told our staff is that once a
certain date is published anything changes to that agenda
will have to be done at the meeting so it's in public.
You all will get a copy of it up beforehand of course,
but everything is done. And you know and so transparent that we
will add that you know to to our list and also data real
quick on the code enforcement thing I also noticed that this
is what are the only jurisdiction that I've worked
with that it is spread out in so many places, I know
commissioner her and I just recently had a conversation and
this we've gotten a few things and so I will definitely add
that to to the list for us to review and we will be reporting
that back to you in a work session, how we can
streamline what our recommendations and will
include all the partners that are currently in that as we go
through that again.
>> The test. Thank you so I would add to that list that's
what he can my detail that's really important and that is we
need consistency around and whatever those changes when you
say you all will get them.
The mail, it's paper on the dias its paper at the offices,
it's loaded into an.
I'm doing my best we're trying to go electronic and I'm using
the board books and it is working, I will tell you this
is easier than the binders absolutely but you guys have to
be consistent about where you load stuff, right. No I'd last
minute adds need maybe not to be feathered and added in the
title Ling needs to be the same just like you do when you're
building your file folder so you know where to find stuff
right. It is the inconsistency is is causing that dynamic.
The interesting thing is today. You have the problem on paper
and I have the problem one here right.
So that that's good we lined up today on.
>> It will get better. All right. And we do have a public
comment. I don't know if there's any else anything else.
The board would like to discuss before we move on to public
comment.
Yes, okay, I'm I'm gonna go ahead and and read the roles
for public comment. In accordance with operating
policies and procedures of the Seminole County Board of County
commissioners section 2.1 7, 5, public participation before the
board speakers. Show avoid personal attacks are abusive
language and redundancy disrespectful Ridder relevant
or slanderous remarks or disrupts disruptive behavior
may subject to the individual to removal from the board
chambers and the chairman may curtail repetitious for
comment. If you. 3 minutes and if you would please us your
name and address for the record.
>> Well hello to everyone in the world, madam chair, David
Smith, 2424 orange Avenue Sanford, Florida.
>> I'm here today to address issues concerning the midway
community and the dire need for the community's ability to be
so determined making decisions what we have an impact on his
future now midway has the ability to be independent the
independent the source and provides drinking water to its
own residents, however, current efforts to reaching this goal
are you on the line by me with coalition private nonprofit
organization with the collaboration of corporate
entities and elected officials recent various water crises
facing Seminole County residents from leaving Mary to
Sanford to see what Springs Mississippi from midway to have
a more time you controlling these natural resources is
greater now than ever before coming with the coalition is
also in serious open to the issues surrounding stormwater
and wastewater management and has used its influence to
facilitate the health Department's recent pay study
on waste water. Management and that has led to the reporting
of incomplete and misleading data new way to collision
stronger president has a conflict of interest in
influencing this desire for meat ways conversion to sewage
do of his connection to rental properties on septic systems
that are not included for multi-family dwellings it is
unclear exactly when County go maybe even authorize such a
survey as it was completely unsolicited about a new way
residents. Neither the Health Department know our actual own
district commissioner has given any indication that they know
actually approved ask for these acts and unique and that was
that request. This saying the nonprofit organization has also
exercising the Constitution level of collusion with elected
officials and the county including Seminole County
Sheriff's office and single County school board to
undermine the community's voice, some advice to the sex
offender Colin, thanks to come. He didn't need to wait I am
asking I will be OCC to do the following one provide more
direct support to the midway Canaan community water
Association asked you to the sultan city recognized by the
residents of midway and the state of Florida in regards to
his efforts to complete autonomy in exercising of what
the right word to the more comprehensive switch for septic
study conducted by the CWA in 2018 from inside. The world and
wishes of many way around issues as well as exploring
ecologically effective alternatives to waste and
stormwater management. 3 revisit the 2020, maybe they
sing study in the interest of finding solutions that are best
for stormwater management without regard to the interests
of private developers we need to consider the building
moratorium from the area to we have a conclusive evidence as
to what the long-term effects of such activity would have on
the way as opposed to building more storm water infrastructure
management just waltz in flooding due to over
development and finally before we do the sex offender posed to
protect our children and those most wrong move from pedophiles
and sexual predators.
>> Well timed.
We have a challenge to talk to Mister Duncan.
Hln's Anna Duncan.
>> Feel about 6, 2, 0, 0, 9, 2, Oviedo, Florida.
They passed a tiny Applegate hear it I get
>> thank you big set out to down the walls, see that eye
and she was like that was the last Lady, my mom high before
she retired from the House to find this a big center. They
said that the guys. I'm doing a constitution now we. He has you
not do my central Florida Constitution day every year so
he said. Commissioner Constantine for taking part of
the few times.
>> I mean this later but just as he has my gun really looking
at the cdbg funding because people been about
you know some conflicts between you and the city of Sanford.
And I never see the money go to black people anyway even those
opposed to this never seen in the communities.
I want to update on the sex offenders.
That's code 2, 0, 0, 5, dash 4, 1, like I don't hear about it
if I don't bring it up. I think you've got ship funds and also
a room or the conservation district, the county Commission
used to fund it to write 2006 or something I think that would
be cool. I usually don't agree with commissioner zembower
about much but I do agree with him that day about looking into
the sheriff's Department have and so much control over things
like code enforcement animal control and all of that and
speaking of code enforcement I think you guys got to take into
consideration that there's different cultural aspects in
different parts of the county and you know so just because
it's a coast and doesn't mean we really mind that engine
Avery and I don't want us to let people keep their cars in
the backyard in Geneva over so you might do it in Heathrow,
you know I did
again like the comment we just want compliance, it just
sounded really like
the tater ish you know, and you know like a real constitutional
is so I don't expect nobody to come out to the ranch,
something that we just want compliance because we're going
to have an issue. That's just code enforcement thing I also
think my own. I was reading in here real quick right you guys
are going to authorize the sheriff's office to go for a
Grande Dame going to authorize the shares to sound a lot of
paperwork afterwards. Well guys you guys got this year for the
budget of hundreds of millions of dollars as things begin in
some offices at the federal level you guys he don't have
for me and so we need you guys to do your part which is the
check and balance and not just decided it should but they
actually oversee what's going on
with that guy can go to school what I can do so what I can do
the City Council I can't go to the sheriff wants the money and
hold him accountable. So I depend on you guys to do that
and that guys over everything from animal control to school
safety. So that's a big ask of you guys so you know. Those
topics today have a good one.
>> Also at times Mister Don inquiry yeah, I don't know I
sure was.
>> Real quick, I want to make sure I heard what I think I
heard some again about the cdbg funds.
>> I am getting calls about conflicts between you guys like
you guys and tell and some people like if they come and
request cdbg funding from the county to tell them is that
they stand same for you guys can do it so go to the city and
that's not only are its correctness is correct correct.
Yeah, no not you or whoever told you that yeah and that is
not legal the last, whether it's legal or not tell you why
into the issue and I would say I'm going to dig into the issue
and I'm coming back in August.
>> So how about we do this how about we let our let Mister
great because you have several different things in there and
that probably in a may be partially accurate like there's
some truth to some things that you're sharing her from from
your perspective and I think they we need to address them,
I'm not sure that this is the best form because I don't think
we have all the answers but I know that between our County
Attorney's office in the county manager's office. We can help
make sure that you get what you need so that your your research
and whatever it is you're digging into we can we can
help.
>> We get that for you. I would do things with people. I was
really worried about cbd when we come out to you by the way,
my friends.
Giddy up.
>> All right, thank you age. We appreciate you being here as
always.
>> So I would just say to get a little bit more specific I I do
think we need to provide maybe public clarity short on the
cdbg Sanford versus the county because it is a change in how
we have operated and the nonprofits part I'm not happy
about it.
And quite honestly, I don't know how we could have done it
wrong for all of those years I brought this up and said I'm
not sure that I truly buy into the new methodology just
because I I can't believe we're in violation for all those
years. So I just I struggle with that myself. I do think we
need an update on the sex offenders I do want you to know
that work has been done behind the scenes but we have not
updated here and we probably do that is a very difficult
subject to publicly update on because we don't want to give
enough direction so that they know how to maneuver past it,
but we will do our best to do that.
>> And I also just say that the sex offender issue is not just
impacting midway. It's not it's district related to the entire
County. Why the entire County we took the issue up County
wide with.
>> Maps etcetera in my district, you just let me know
no down that happen. And then the last thing is. I don't
think the sheriff and animal control so just for the record
the sheriff does not run animal control. We do not make
decisions as to whether or not he surveys get done by the
Health Department
and the natural resource for water for midway that water's
coming out of Sanford's water treatment plants, it's not a
natural resource to midway. It's an access point so just in
the for the record clarifying I don't usually do this with
public speakers and I love you guys were not having a debate
but I want to get the record clear.
Any other public comment.
Now I have one more right high have offered to meet with the
midway Canaan water group multiple times, I've been stood
up Trice have stopped offering if you want to fix that.
I'm here any time they want to meet with me Fisher's MR.
>> I tried for 2 years and 9 in 2018 2019 myself
was it was probably different folks back.
I think it was
changes
>> anything else for the good of the order.
Anything else from the county attorney the county manager
Norman alright with that we will be adjourned at 4.14.