>> This is the 4/5/2023 Seminole County planning and
zoning Commission meeting my name is Chris the law can
chairman for taking a stand for the pledge of allegiance.
>> United States of America and to the Republic for which it
stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all.
>> This board is a seven-member board appointed by the Board of
County commissioners a corum has been established for
tonight's meeting,
public hearing items acted upon by this board are referred to
the Board of County commissioners for further
consideration.
Board members present tonight are up Chris a lot of ISO
commissioner Richard Sherman
commissioner Dan locus
commissioner Mike Lauren's commissioner, Stephen Smith and
commissioner, Tim Smith
stop presents night our Mary Moscow S planning and
development manager does member Raul senior assistant County
attorney.
Jim Potter, professional engineer development review,
Doug Robinson principal planner Kathy Hamill see your doctor
principal planner any so senior planner and station Henry clerk
to the PNC board.
Tonight's meeting will go as follows stop would use and I am
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to speak will then be heard.
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at out in the lobby.
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moving on to the first item on our agenda we're going to go to
prove publication. The minutes that serve the public shippers.
We usually do.
But the vocation.
We have a motion.
All in favor aye. Motion carries next approval. Approval
of minutes to have a motion. I make a motion to approve the
minutes from the previous meeting, second all in favor
aye minutes are approved. There are no technical review
items tonight so we'll move directly to public hearing
items item number one the West were injuries on.
>> Good evening in eastleigh with development services I
will be present in the West or treason
this request is for a rezone from a one agriculture, our one
a single-family dwelling for one lot single-family
residential lot on approximately 0.3 acres located
on the north side of West Orange Street approximately a
130 feet west of Warren Avenue.
What 21 was formally joined with last 2223 24. In 2006 the
property was subdivided by way of warranty deed without
seeking County approval to create a new personal
consisting of lot 21 and a portion of what 22.
The remainder of what 22 is combined with lots, 2324.
The creation of these 2 parcels created 2 nonconforming parcels
in order to legalize the parcel the applicant will first have
to rezone the property.
And the second step is for the applicant to apply for a
preliminary subdivision and the S P and a final plat
the subject property is currently zoned a one
agriculture with a lot size of 11,000 158 square feet and a
lot with the 80 feet which does not meet the lot size or with
for the current a one zoning designation or the surrounding
parcels zoned r-one which require a minimum lot size of
well, 11,700 square feet and the minimum lot with of 90
feet.
The subject property is within the San Lando Springs plat
track 53 sanlando springs Platt tracked 68 which is
1200 feet from the subject property is zoned R one a
staff has determined that since the subjects site as part of
the overall subdivision called sanlando springs which consists
of properties with the R one double A and R one a zoning
classification the request to rezone the property to R one a
is consistent with the surrounding area.
Utilities for the site are Seminole County water and the
homeowner would be required to install a septic tank.
Staff recommends Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a rezone from a one agriculture
to R one a single-family dwelling for 0.3 acres located
on the north side of West Warren Street in approximately
a 130 feet west of lore Avenue and that concludes my
presentation.
Good questions of staff.
The applicant present yes, yes.
So to prevent.
>> Jimmy ramps on one 31 o'clock in courts and for that.
I reached at nothing to this. I think everything was
presented very red line subway. A very good question for the
applicant.
Right is there anyone here would like to speak in favor of
this item
seeing none I do have one comment card here for position
Mark Pennington would you like to come up.
>> My name is Mark, thanks and a live on the other side of the
street address for the record of 400 West on we lived there
for 30 years.
This piece of property has been sold to 3 times in the past it
was something about the well and septic tank.
People on the block right there that are on Wells and if they
put a septic tank that we too close to their well.
That's been a problem in the past I really don't know.
What nobody's told us what they want to do you know we just
come to the mayor.
Nothing the
we pay for tulips
taxes and everything what you're going to get our
property to a smaller lot.
It's unknown we don't know what you know we do what they want
they can do that anyhow so you know
and I mean
the size lot may affect our taxes.
The wife told me what you know
the pros and cons are.
>> Coming in certain stopping to be addressing others plans
for septic team we have stressed the location of that
neighborhood as well. Yes so make for the record Mary
Moscow's planning development services so.
>> They septic and well would be reviewed by the Health
Department so we need to meet all of those with the violence.
So 8. You know this action before you tonight is just to
rezone the property. This is an existing lot. So, you know as
far as the size of the lot.
It's already been assessed at that size. So they're not
changing the size of the lot.
>> So unlikely to affect his property taxes that answer
there was never making up the building.
>> Well. I I you know the property appraiser does the
valuations but it is based on the property and the size of
not you know the surrounding areas.
Good thank you Sir.
Yes, I would like to come out a card with station.
My time or to me or your first the time runs out yeah. Could
be critical.
>> Hi, my name is Diane asked and I live around the corner
from where the property is going to be address for the
record was set to speak for 15 West citrus tree. Thank you,
I've been there for approximately 37 years.
And I've seen a lot of changes as far as the road used to be
dirt road.
And I walk my dog night and I'm so happy to be where I'm at
my children have homes to that are in different parts of the
city or veto in different parts of their homes are farther away
from the next home.
You know it's not like the new homes that the real close
together and as I walk, I'm very thankful for that. I like
that.
It's not a fancy House, it's it's I'm just very quaint
House, but it's it's nothing that's close to each other.
It's one thing when houses are.
And that's what I'm concerned about is I live on the other
side.
I like the way our homes are
they're pretty much the same exact distance between each
other.
So I hope you'll take that into consideration have it look the
same
where blacks are.
Thank you it's my first time.
>> Is there any other member of the audience that wishes to
speak in favor or opposition to this item
is that yes.
>> Well it's Wilson to 9, 1, 9, has been the court of Florida.
I'm speaking on behalf of the owner of the lot.
He plans to build a nice residential home. There are a
lot of currently got a fence on it it has a lot of Jackie stuff
back behind the fence that you can see it probably should be
eliminated anyway, so I think it's a method of cleaning up
that portion of the neighborhood and building an
outstanding home in that area.
Thank you Sir.
>> Is there anyone else in the audience would like to speak in
favor or opposition to this item
seeing none we'll close the public public comment portion
of the meeting a meeting and give the applicant a chance for
rebuttal, if you'd like.
>> When asked if my name address again, Jimmy wraps on
one 31 o'clock in court Sanford, Florida
in regards to the Commons that's being made.
Both and not
the size of the House and the size of law this is a lot that
is I am
it's a joint into not the law right now so the space is there
we've got the ax in for anything that is out of the
norm in the neighborhood business said the space is
there. I'm intending to build a one family 1500 square foot
house. So it would not change the looks of the place in
regards to not no one information we had a meeting
and we had a public meeting in like a month ago and nobody
attended to meet and we stayed there for like 2 always so on
the information would be given their
as I said I'm not doing anything different spacing is
going to be the same is just going to be defies the empty
lawsuit in there right now and all he's doing this. But in the
House and that's all.
>> Any questions of the applicant yeah, I have a
question have you have you checked your ears setbacks and
just inches from the neighboring Wells to see if you
can put a septic tank in a well on the property.
>> Well, I know that said I know I haven't done that
because I mean that's that.
>> Or until your okay permits you I'm going to be a huge
still maybe run into a problem or that moving forward.
If it doesn't work as far as your septic tank, you will be.
This though the restriction the places once you have 0.2 5.
Present you concerned about that.
>> You should have enough space base in the size of the House
we should have enough space for the septic tank.
>> That
and it is city water says no well right.
Any other questions of the applicant.
If not then do we have any for discussion.
>> Ensure all recommend the Board of County commissioners
adopt the proposed ordinance and that the rezone from a one
a culture to our one nation family glowing 1.3 acres
located on the north side of West Orange Street in approx
330 feet west of school. Laura Avenue, a second.
>> The motion and second all in favor, aye opposed.
Just for the record this item has been scheduled for the
April 25th BCC meeting.
That motion carries let's move on to item number to our East
state Road 4.36 rezone
so let me give you the minute. You're commissioners, Doug
Robinson.
>> Plenty of development you leaving.
I'm here to speak about the request to rezone from office p
to retail commercial see one for a portion of the nixes teen
commercial site to continue as a restaurant use and reinstated
previously existing service with that so just to be clear
it's really about reinstating the drive-thru service window
in order to allow that we we've asked that the split zoning on
the property which is C one and O P be resolved.
So the restaurant drive-thru window were originally built
around 1990 the drive-thru window was closed throughout
2003 when the Japanese restaurant opened up. The
subject property has a commercial future land use
designation on the whole entire site as you can see on the left
side of the screen there. The intent of the commercial
future land use designation is to provide appropriate
locations for a variety of commercial uses including
retail sales restaurants, highway oriented businesses and
other commercial services.
The commercial designation permits a maximum intensity of
0.3 5 for floor area ratio.
The property currently access is off of the state Road 4.36
which is urban our principal arterial road has a very level
of service depend on the time of day direction. There are no
improvements. In plan for 4.36 throughout there are sidewalks
to the sites and sidewalks need to be built.
Also the utilities are already connected through Seminole
County for water and sewer to the site
regarding the buffers and landscaping the site would be
required to meet all land development code requirements
at the time it comes in for the final site plan for buffering
landscaping and so on.
Staff finds that the proposed see one zoning classification
is compatible with surrounding development in the area is
consistent with both the allowable use and intensity
provisions
for the commercial uses future land use designation
a virtual community meeting was held for this project on
February 14th 2023.
At 06:00PM the applicant reported that there were no
attendees
so that concludes my presentation and I want to say
staff recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
ordinance enacting a rezone from o P office to see one
retail commercial for portion of an existing commercial site
approximately 0.9 0 acres located on the south side of
the state Road 4.36 just east of Avery Lane and that
concludes my presentation, thank you, you know, I'm just
any member of the board have questions of staff.
>> Yeah, the 2, 2, parcels to the east on yeah saying towards
executive Park court. I think both restaurants also.
>> Yes, believe there's a love Raja I forget the name of the
other one okay to restaurants and then as you can see the
pain to the south. Not on the parcel in question, but to the
South and that that is the office executive office Park.
Office Park OK thank you I would like to also add real
quick. There's a pretty generous landscape buffer
already existing along the western portion of property,
roughly maybe 50 feet wide, I see that yes, thank you.
Other questions stop
as the applicant present.
Like the present.
Would you like to make a presentation.
No I don't think I have anything to it you can just a
dog that a great job.
Any questions of the applicant though we have up here. Okay,
do you want.
>> Very good is there any member of the audience would
like to speak in favor or opposition of the site have a
say oh well when it comes to the microphone.
You guys going to be okay.
>> All I live all morning shows a role and then that 7.11 a
relay. That's the 3rd House in 4.36 smacked right in the
middle what words they want to develop.
First things first have you guys ever seen the traffic in
that area.
I only have one way in one way out. I did my subdivision it's
not a very big subdivision not mean that you chart of what
36th want to get to my house.
Now how many businesses are going to be there. I don't yes
the whole place is full rest so once the more I mean once every
year I fight rats.
So what else we're going to put their tattoo parlors
the smoke shop, I don't know.
I don't see that more here, especially Seminole County
that's why no firm.
I think you've got to do a great job. I think community is
always involved.
I know from the com. That's why state his 1980.
I'm not to join the recall fracking that came back you are
you from New York City, Seoul anywhere.
When I knew in my backyard, I got a big nice backyard.
Nice pool. Graph it's not so when they knocked on the
street, what am I going to see
am I going to see anything I'm not going to see all the
restaurant's Fire Department for 36.
I mean I would hear that and I mean the Fire Department was
coming out which is which is fine and I'm very close to 4.36
but other trees going up, I know that most of us the sound
or read it because I hardly hear any traffic from 4 to 6.
The time Scott off I thought I did OK thank you.
Yeah, I feel this is the one game you got it, you got to
have it we have to end it.
>> Thank you are there any other members of the audience
would like to speak in favor and opposition of this item
seeing none we'll close public comment
with the applicant like a chance for rebuttal
to speak to that the Tropic or the trees are buffers.
>> He's a he's a resident of these only 16 restaurant.
So whenever you change anything used to get anything done this
before these Japanese sushi
and he's finding has a very big buffer zone and have up the
property of my book but these over the about for some so he's
he's not going to continue to view from anybody yet really
the only 3 or 4 posts.
I think any product.
>> Okay, very good. Thank you thank you are there any other
questions of the applicants and work.
Then for discussion motion.
>> Unlike the motion to recommend the Board of County
commissioners adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone
from o P office to see one retail commercial on 0.9 acres,
located on the south side of state Road 4.36 just east of
Avery line.
>> All in favor aye opposed.
Seeing none the motion carries we move on to item number 3 Al
escenario rezone.
>> Any salute with development services senior planner this
request is for a rezone from a one agriculture to R one a
single-family dwelling for a approximate 9 lot single-family
residential subdivision
on approximately 6.4 7 acres located on a lot of old
Lockwood road approximately 558 feet south of fun run.
The applicant is requesting a rezone from day one ever
culture are wanting a single-family dwelling in order
to develop the subject property as a single family residential
subdivision the subject property has an excess seen low
density residential future land use designation which allows
and 4 dwelling units per net buildable acre.
The applicant is proposing approximately 9 lots and there
are approximately 1.6 acres of wetlands on site Seminole
County will be a service provider for water and sewer.
There's an existing 6 inch sanitary sewer pipe running
along the East side of old Lockwood road. However,
environmental services has determined there is not
sufficient sanitary sewer capacity and the county's
downstream systems for the subject property to develop in
the county is unable to provide capacity to sanitary sewer at
this time.
Until the county can increase the downstream capacity know
proposed development can be approved in the service area,
however, the applicant can proceed with the rezone and
develop with the intent to connect to the sanitary sewer,
but the applicant will not be issued certificates of
occupancy until downstream capacity becomes available.
The applicant has been put on notice of the sewer capacity
issues, environmental services, currently has a project
underway at downstream capacity, the county should
have sufficient capacity once the project is complete.
The proposed project is located within the big become
Loxahatchee River drainage Basin and has a limited
downstream capacity there for the site will have to be
designed to hold 25 year 24 hour storm event on site unless
a viable legal out fall this determined Stephens requests to
be consistent with the Seminole County land development code in
the surrounding area. There are several developments in close
proximity to the subject site with 70 foot with lots
ellingsworth was developed with 70 foot with single-family lots
and karlynn was developed as a planned development was 70 foot
white single-family lots. Staff recommends the Board of
County commissioners adopt the proposed ordinance enacting a
rezone from a one agriculture to R one a single-family
dwelling for 6.4 7 acres, located on old Lockwood road
approximately 558 feet South fun run that concludes my
presentation.
>> Yeah, any how how many years is the expansion of the sewer
system.
>> I I don't know for sure. They said maybe 6 months really
okay, sure it's going to I mean that's how it started okay,
you don't know my question thank you tour.
And especially to stop
is the applicant present.
>> Good evening, I'm Jeremy Anderson, becoming a kitchen
earring and a professional engineer on here on behalf of
the owners of the property.
I thank you miss a way for the presentation, I'm here to
answer any questions. But I'd like to like talk a little bit
about the intention. Donors and tension for the property.
They again they're the honor they bought the property over a
year ago they fell in love with a property, it's a beautiful
property that set up against the the statement that you know
the state lands there. Their overall intention is to create
kind of a homestead for the family, but again this is a
rezone request. So of course you know anything can happen in
the future. But that's that's their intention at this time is
really to create what is in line with the future land use
map which is like a low density type of a residential.
Subdivision so
is could you pull up the map please thank you
yes, so we we held a community meeting during this process as
well. There were 5 people in attendance at the meeting
representing for households. You I believe 3 of those
households were from Hampton the states which is right up
here immediately north of the property.
And then one person from white tail run, which is on the
northern north side of fun, run there.
White tail run a as a you know a lots that were approved at a
75 foot why lot and
and then the states has wider I believe in 90 foot wide minimum
lot.
Just to give you an idea of of like the low density kind of I
like a the intention here we're proposing 9 lots on the
property. If you look at the picture here for him in the
States there you can count the number of houses adjacent to
our property 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, to 13.
We're proposing not. So it certainly is and that concept
of a low density so we we I think MS. Only once again for
her presentation and we're here to answer them here to answer
the question. I have about the request. Thank you so much
questions of the applicant.
>> I have a couple comment cards for this I am I have to
wreak Rashid.
She could come up and state your name and address for the
record.
>> A tiny fraction of the I'm actually from a white guy
LeBron T 6, 6, 5, question please.
I don't think if you look at the drop plans for this
particular open which is being proposed.
We just mentioned the white children that 75 feet large,
but if you look at the
right fielder in the state and which is on one. A
classification
more than a 40% of their writing on actually is the
foundation it again so I was just looking at lunchtime today
and I noticed that 11 more were left alone cut off my deal and
if the vote with a vision forest on something like that
and that you've missed you the results that left 4 or in that
section.
So coming up too the 6.5 acre of the classic edition that's
being off for if you imagine if you put a squeeze 9 our skin.
That is a preseason secure fitting aboard ahead of it if
you know can't fight it could Mark all around. Let me let the
good faith in the proceedings next to equal Bach which is
just to follow. Off. This proposed development.
I can see do that that will have a very congested
situation.
The only because that a lot of any coach air.
One large that owned the city of the top 5 acre plus
and this would set up a preceding 4 goals
to be developed in the scene
way actually
and and especially some of these locks which up next to
the Khobar.
From my perspective as a team and I thought that these of
buffet think surely which kind of help are protecting the sea
kobach which more or less if you guys go on and on the
weekend. You see lot of a Mormon them enough. Families
using this robot, so I just want to let the board
become nice and off.
Thank you letter deal of being on the equal Bach which is just
south of this book was about 09:00AM and then keeping in
mind that this set of proceedings that pretty much
all the fighting could last only a D a work follow this
lead. Next.
>> I also have. Andrew first great start.
>> Yes, my name is Andrew burst right 2, 3, 4, 2, Brickell
place in Oviedo, which is Anthony states immediately
adjacent to the subject property.
2 things feel that.
We attended the public meeting that was held from your
representative and which they did present an actual plot plan
that they do intend to go forward with.
So I'm still trying to understand the concept of why
they would just go from a one-two with our when now.
Taking a second step it feels like I'm like you're trying to
subject or subvert the system and not being able to put the
plan now with the single step
secondly with an AR when a property without any sort of
restriction on right now.
The code allows for as little as 1100 square foot home
Hampton estates immediately Jason
was done as an R one. Approved by the county Board of
commissioners.
We have a minimum of 3400 square-foot homes in our
subdivision so putting any potential 1100 square foot home
immediately Jason will affect my property values
that and then they're not showing it here, but if you
were to look at the sub at this point plan that they're
proposing the majority of that reason I want to now be gone,
you have a road running down the side immediately adjacent
to the economy wilderness area which we fought to fight for
reform Party
and not turn into Holmes previously as well as at the
very eastern end of the property, they're talking about
turning into a human youngest pond.
Even though it has to hold quite a bit of water it still
will flow through our conservation area through to
the ECON River or it will spill into the Yukon wilderness area
which could cause flooding and other issues for the park.
I'm not in favor of this between affecting my property
values, drainage and as MS. So it was so point Lee said
that we have a sewer problem of which just up the street on a
look at what Lockwood there is a new my subdivision going in
which is going to feel over 200 homes.
Not to mention the analysis of school
or are the schools. Capacity were both carillon elementary
and technical school are already over capacity.
And now you're planning on putting more homes potentially
in this.
>> Are there any other members of the audience that would like
to speak in favor or opposition of this item.
Coming up Sir. Give us your name and address for the
record.
>> I'm Anthony and now I live at 2900 has to legacy point do
you see
I've been here for one year and one, the main attractions for
us to come to legacy was the ECON one side of the street.
My concern with the property just don't think the count go
than us, it is an existing pineapple leaves and natural
plan.
So I was sure that's going to be affected by ongoing
development.
And also and the impact studies at their side and done that
will be done.
The showers going to affect the wildlife across coming in from
the town with a sign.
So I would recommend that the very least some type of.
And Pat announces be down the guiding I want to thank you
both on the site but pretty got in and out water coming in from
deep those retention pond,
and also the fact that what happened wildlife with the
removal of most of the trees on the property.
>> I'm certain it does look like that will be required a
final engineering. Any other members of the public would
like to speak on this item
seeing none we'll close the public comment portion I would
the applicant like a chance for rebuttal.
>> Yeah Jeremy Anderson once again. Thank you for the
opportunity to speak once again. You know we did speak
with the community about the members here. Today during the
community meeting and they they did express their concern with
like the minimum household size of 1100 square feet. At that
time they do throughout a number that's probably wasn't
thought out a lot of like we're like 2300 square foot or so
home would be more with something they would be more
comfortable with and we respond back to them after speaking
honor that yeah we you know has no intention of developing a
house less than 2300 square feet. Again, so in regard to
the items, the storm water management and endangered
species and and flooding and so forth of purses explain that
that it will be handled during the event with the land
development regulations during the permitting process. Later
down the line. So I a you know, I'd like to just close saying
that the future land use map says everyone knows you're
better than I do I'm sure that is the vision of the county.
This is low density residential future land use which is you
know articulate the vision of the county at this particular
location.
The maximum dwelling units or 4 dwelling units per acre in this
future land use. We're proposing more like 1.6 6
dwelling units per acre so it's a fraction of of the density
that's allowed here. And once again, I'd like to just point
out that the staff explained that this request is consistent
with a comprehensive plan so what's a guy I do appreciate
the opportunity so thank you, I have one question okay.
>> I want to understand immediately to the north.
The zoning is our one. And you're immediately to the South
and then south to use this as a preservation. Why are you in
for our one. Why didn't you just do it you're only going to
say you saying you're only going to have 9 launch, you are
one. You've got plenty room to do only 9 launch just between
are one-in are one. There's a size difference okay, but you
still have plenty room and only doing my lot so why did you do
our one a.
>> That's a great question and I have a concept plan, I'm sure
of course is a rezoning request in sanaa to understand that the
plan may change, but the intention of of the owner is to
preserve large lot for the existing home there on the
water the pond. That's that's located
currently that lob proposing around 230 feet wide which was
so in order to get to the 9 we needed less than 90 feet.
I'd also like to point out that we did take a quick look at
this and the lots that are immediately adjacent to us
Hampton and those lots are a 130 feet deep.
Our laws are proposing are a 166 feet deep, so you know it's
a question of like what's better a 75 foot lot.
That's a 130. Excuse me 7, 5, losses 166 feet deep burn it
for a lot that's a 130 feet deep the areas are almost the
same. So
and if you aggregate the areas like the average the areas of
the 9 lots were like you know average of lightning over 90
feet for an average, but we are requesting 75 feet be cut for
that reason to create a large homestand for the honor in the
middle.
>> Well, I mean I appreciate what you say if it's 200 that's
230 feet wide it wouldn't take much to take a few feet out of
that
for the other 8 lots to be 90 feet instead of 75. OK thank
you okay, thank you.
>> I have one actually to it was going to be about the
subdivision plan if there was one why wasn't that being
presented to us.
>> From what I understand purses staffs to verify this,
but I believe that's this step following the rezoning.
>> It's not required. I'm just I'm just asking if it was
presented at the at the community meeting, why wouldn't
well I have it right here if you'd like to see a I think
it's been brought up. So I would like to see it. Yeah,
absolutely
yes for the record. Yeah. There's I think the 5.
>> That's why didn't. This is a conceptual plan. Has not been
engineer. This conceptual plans it is not an engineer, it's
showing in concept.
Storm water management. A tract of land there around the pond
to be preserved and the larger Homestead. Lot. They're lot 5
in the center.
And once again. You can usually look at the density you have to
the state says 26 homes, you know.
>> Any other questions of the applicant.
But we do in any other questions or the applicant
asked.
That all up.
>> For board discussion or motions
I'm opposed to this rezone I'm not buying this plan.
Anybody that would do this would have the watch the scene
the preservation area where the premium values are put the road
on the other side, they wouldn't do back to back so I
don't believe this is a real plan that they intended to
there's absolutely no reason that he can't do everything you
want to do in our one which is immediately to the north.
This doesn't have to be our one. I don't. This is like a
bait and switch to me and I don't like it. So I'm opposed
to this.
All make the motion to be opposed. But
what my fellow board members make any comments and you're
just opposed to the rezone is yes riposte to the rezoning
it was a classification should be our one. Not our 1, 8,
This could he could this site plan is not a commitment.
Okay. He can go back to our one and get more watch here.
I mean our one A and get more launch make them smaller.
The Heat the knowledge that I don't think they do bite to it,
but it requires a smaller House et cetera et cetera. So.
If he's willing only to 9 loss and are one would have been
sufficient.
He could have just asked for our 1, 8, done with it.
But he did so I'm suspicious of that suspicious suspicious of
his plan. It's not a good plan.
Takes the full value of the property, so I don't think it's
real.
That's just my opinion of course
if anybody else make a motion.
>> But there further discussion commissioners want no I'm fine.
>> All recommend the Board of County commissioners denied the
ordinance enacting a rezone from a one a culture to our one
a single-family dwelling or 6.4 7 acres located on old block
the road probably 5, 2, 158 feet south of born to run.
>> I'll second. Thank all in favor of the motion. I opposed
I
one opposed.
Commissioner Smith.
In that case. The motion passes. So this notion to
oppose the past.
The motion to recommend recommend by over.
Right we'll move on to item number 4 Atlantic drive,
small scale future land use map amendment and reason.
>> The applicant for Atlanta drive is some a little bit too
late coming to the hearing. So if you don't mind
presenting. Item number 5 with that
that's the end it on then to item number 5 city Church of
Orlando special exception, yes, Cathy Hamill development
services that can city church is requesting to amend a
special exception. That was for private school that was
approved by the Board of adjustment in 2017.
Any increases in buildings or uses that exceed 10%
require an amendment to the special exception, the
applicant is not increasing the number students as part of this
amendment, what they are doing is that they're including
they're wanting to expand about the 10% by including a new
worship center which is shared by the school repurposing a old
worship center has an indoor gymnasium multipurpose room and
also a cafeteria that also could be used as a multi Mister
him since these facilities are shared by both the church and
the school and there's also a new outdoor recreational feel.
Now Japan is re-designing the 5 traffic flow by closing off one
of the access points and expanding the Southern access
point. This will help especially when it comes to the
killing of the cars through the site. I'm having a down South.
Eliminates a lot of the traffic flow that's to the north of the
property.
The current and proposed amendment is consistent with
development in the air.
>> Area along orange Boulevard and Boulevard has a lot of
schools.
>> Daycares churches and neighborhood commercial uses
there will be minimal impacts to the surrounding areas since
Aaron increase the number students. And there will be
improvements to the traffic flow and that this expansion
will occur on the south side of the property which abuts a
water treatment facility and a communication tower site.
On February 16 they had a community meeting in which 10
citizens a tendon
we are recommending approval of the amendment subject to the
conditions and the staff report and development order
and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Questions of stock
is the applicant present.
>> Randy Morris strategies
through its 3.30. Wish first drive me to the floor. I'm here
also Damon Evans is your chair and if you're in a direct
questions regarding site plans this really is a site plan this
year and very different from your last year and this is what
we're going with what our provide so we're deals with the
change of the development or
and also deals with the change in the site plan which is you
know
we think somewhat minor an improvement significantly.
What was approved before also we have got to change here.
The pastor of the church and who runs the school and he has
a couple of members of the congregation with them here,
but the this is a new process, relatively new for all special
sessions used to be dealt with by the Board of adjustments as
you're probably aware of the original approval this was done
by the Board of adjustments.
And back in 2017. Everything's been going very well with the
school has a and brought into place and we are not what we're
I mean terrorism Orton say understands we're not asking
for an expansion of the school sizes what's already been
approved.
And so the number students will remain the same and kept at
that.
What I want to do is just to mention a couple of things.
One before I go on to this presentation want to thank you
all so much for back a year and a half ago your. Well both the
golf courses. If you want some of you are here on that.
I represented the the with the county was actually the
applicant that actually represent a property that's
been incredibly successful. If you've been talking to the
community out there want to better things that happen.
So joining from that back to this issue or just a thank you
for unfettered. Thank you. We did a community meeting we
get here from about about roughly 10 people who showed up
most but half of the more curious as to what was actually
happening.
Race issues of which the Deo directly deals with make sure
there is one of the Deo and she Asians were staff
primarily the main thing is for current here is yet because
this is a really unique pre K through 12.
You you and yes, a very small school at 500 students cap of
500.
What you've got is we've been a little bit of separation from
the students and they discovered this is a winter
game running run the school and expanding the grades to greater
being expanded every year.
And so the classroom spaces been increased.
New a new church facilities being built
and classrooms are going into that church facility on the
second floor.
So this will keep a separation from that the elementary kids
to the high school age kids and the classrooms are spread and
other buildings around the campus.
We can go into that detail to the extent you want to.
The second part of what's occurring is there's a slight
movement very slight movement on the sanctuary or so.
But most importantly about that church sanctuary facility,
the current one is a metal frame building.
This is a nonsectarian religious facility.
And there is music there is you know are quite a quite a quite
a bit of enthusiasm for more workers on that service time
that sound attenuation because it's a metal building does
carry out.
And can be heard across the campus which is 10 acres
and also potentially to be heard by some neighbors.
The new facility is being built to the south
is a choke on certain concrete construction going that will
keep that sound inside much better than the metal building
which will now be converted into a multipurpose use
facility for the students.
Additionally there is a the site currently has a retention
pond
of which is where the kind of the play area for the children
and then there's also an activity area on that retention
pond is the drive on the soils are strict very good and dry
very quickly even after major storm that you drive in and day
to 2 days maximum and a storm of amber for now is to 2 inches
or so of rain are now.
So that's what we play right now so in the new facility
which were on the southern portion of that for sure you're
looking at a in a paid parking lot the retention pond is going
to be a multiple of what we're proposing to you all is is in
the D a a retention pond that would be also allow
recreational activity to further about the size of a
soccer field.
And we're proposing that the lighted with limitations on the
lighting.
To a time limitation to 10 o'clock
and also we're doing something that you all will see before
you at some point I believe and the next year or the next few
months or next year we're doing to our skies
which the dark skies will allow us to have she was letting
everyone campus will remove the current highlighting the size
of the current buildings were shot right into the backyard.
And we'll be putting in a shoe box lines we 16 feet high.
And follow the dark sky procedure.
So we're advancing what we're doing some work and some
require an addition. We're not this is where they was going to
speak David loves are gone forever.
But today wasn't talk a little bit about the in resonate rest
of the site and how the movements occur that was kind
of the neighbors are more cares about that and then most other
things when we did the community meeting and so
addressing the press currently
is using 3, 3, entrances
it really should be should be too. But is using 3 as a
historically have been happening because the new
church has been built.
So in working with your staff we came up with a closing one
entrance
and then pushing the entrances as far as we could do to the
north and south and separation
orange Avenue.
And it's so good David you would if you also get your
address introduce yourself for the record. If you go through
how the ingress and egress works and how the traffic
circulation works. I think this seems to be the bigger issue.
>> All right David Evans Evans engineering 7, 1, 9, Avenue
Orlando, 3 to 83 here on behalf of the applicant. And yes,
Randy said what I what we brought today upon this board
needs of the same board took to the committee meeting February
is the just in special exception plan that was
approved by the Board of County commissioners. This was just a
reference plan to kind of show you what what we did have here
and what was proposed at the time
obviously not the sanctuary in the parking area back and the
front wasn't constructed. So we're here to modify the
special exception plan to be more consistent with what they
need and like Randy said there's some changes to that to
last for some recreation areas and a bigger pond that they
didn't have on the original plan so basically an orange
avenue for it for access purposes today. There's an
access on the north side which is a one-way access into the
school facility which is the classroom and that great
building here. They come in they either exit by doing a
u-turn around this parking lot where they go straight South
and they come out entrance that currently exist on the South
into the property in addition to that. There was actually
existing today. Driveway here so there's a total of 3 that
exist on arms Boulevard today. The idea too
reduce that impact and we work with the county developing
issuing staff and transportation staff in order
to come up with this plan is too keep the North entrance but
turned that into a two-way interests don't have enough
assumes that the slide maybe around that. So we got the
North entrance here with the now to entrance in and out
still accessing the existing school, I'm not on the North
East corner we still have a circular pattern through the
parking lot on the back of the building.
Then we added
full access with a left turn lane dedicated for a Southern
entrance as far south as we can get in order to justify the
spacing between existing development on the West Side of
orange and put in a left turn lane because I was one of the
requirements that we talked about with the county during
the process of the special exception had several meetings
with them and then went over that with them and this is kind
of the plan we came up with that entrance now conserve the
sanctuary on its own while the North entrance conserve the
school facility on its own as well. There's a circular
pattern now that they can come in and drop off and pick up and
then exit again on that South entrance for the worship
center. And there's also off also process access between the
2 uses which would be the school on the North and the
worship center sanctuary on the south side.
>> Enter the Southside officer is where there's a cell tower
there that's right adjacent to the centers where and then just
south of that on on the property line border is the
county. Northwest water services plant.
So interesting that when you look at that, you know you're
in see one part of it that day. I don't have a deal in front of
me unfortunately, but when you look at that year's one part of
the deals with fencing we just above the entrance ways now
let's talk a little bit of fencing
currently to the north of us is residential
to the east of us is residential to the south of us
is a small portion residential, mostly the water plant and its
all time.
So dealing with those areas are residential. Some of the border
line with this we work out at final site plan with staff.
Some of that is a brick wall.
So we obviously want to put a fence up against a brick wall.
Some of that is fencing that already exist by current
neighbors that I'm good condition. We don't want to put
a fence up against the fence.
But there is other areas where the fencing is not being has
not been maintained or has aged orders not there.
We've agreed to fix whatever it is we fix revenues. Defects
basically site plan. So bordering those areas
residential.
Obviously we're in the areas that are not residential the
county already has a secure facility which is if you all
been out there and see the site.
He's got a lot more over the top of all that, I mean it's
it's pretty it is, but it's secure and the was there so
we're that's one of the the issues we have to work with
staff on the site plan.
Additionally one of their good forget to mention to see where
the retention pond is that would be as certain outdoor
recreational feel about the sides are really just to use
that also is a a storage facility that we're putting in
of 2 sure you know the court meant for and any other items
the school may need for storage there there's no activity going
on there there's no repair activity going on there.
Most of what happened in such a might be replaced or you know
gasoline might be put on hold. But no no no mechanical.
Repairs will be done there except for the minor ones
summer to you is your home you might replace your. Why
prisoner car so that's the kind of that's the other
restrictions will see in the video.
So with that I just want to thank obviously staff of their
good work on this project
which we launched last year and we ask for your approval,
any questions you have.
>> It's going to confirm that the limitation on lighting on
the athletic field at 09:00PM not 10.
09:00PM et.
Any other questions for the applicant.
>> John one did you have any concerns about the 15.
Conditions that was recommended by the staff.
She's with that all concerns.
>> We know we could weaken car complete with a recommendation
of staff
and and you recognize also that that site plan Walter do some
work out on a couple of things. But
the integrity of the site plan injury and the Deo weaken
player.
>> When's the upgrade of orange ave supposed to be a start to
our jab itself, that's supposed to be a
improved here sometime in the future.
>> Jimmy Carter. Sorry, public works engineering.
That has been moved back. I do not believe that this
portion of orange Boulevard will be improved it's more
towards the North that that's what you're about. It will be 2
words. The last I heard June of 2024 is
the belief. Start date of construction at least the
anticipated that that that is a moving target at this point.
Everything's a moving target. I'm just you know we keep we
keep.
>> Adding and adding to the traffic over there and I just
have a little bit of concern about it. Although this is not
adding to traffic, I'm Ryan that we're not I understand.
>> But actually they were
it is that you're not picking a fight with several County
school board if you are from owners Wilson elementary were
containing all of our traffic consecutive passes on site.
That's where the the issues occur on a site that is not
working very well obviously Wilson elementary for up.
So if anything we do is improve the current flow.
And and the
and no capacities are changing in terms of use that's the most
critical thing and that's what we try to emphasize also at the
community here.
Madam chairman if I may reserving time for a bottle of
the other or in certain questions you may have after
public comment certainly thank you so much and thank you all
thank you.
>> We. Any members of the public would like to speak in
the burn opposition mobster state your name and address for
the record.
>> Good evening, Howard Weiner 1, 6, 2, 6, and have a new menu
Jason's to the property.
Sounds like everybody's cover their bases fairly well I've
been to the other meetings.
Everything's moving along fast. There's one thing I as a
personal thing to be especially about the security or the
fencing along property lines of the homeowners. What was done
to get to yes permission originally was they just put
in.
Bush's and left offense their defense is about a 3 for 4 foot
fence. That's pretty much right into the ground. There is no
security between my property canned
the church school so I'm pushing the one pushing for
this fence. Necessarily that big beautiful block brick fence
with Serbia teen who are in the top of it, I just like to have
a substantial fence for security because this is more
than anything I don't think we'll ever get rid of the noise
are going to move out a soccer field in our backyard, more or
less so
I don't think the trees are going to help that either it's
going to be what it is there that is my problem my issue is
more or less the security between us and the schools
school to us. That's my only concern and
about it other that looks like. Well I thank you and thank you.
>> Anyone else any other member of the audience would like to
speak in favor or opposition to this request.
No seeing none we'll close the public comment portion and with
the applicant like an opportunity to her about on to
address the phones issue.
>> The good news is that if you have a 4 foot fence, currently
there will replace it with a six-foot fence will do that
during a service to make sure we can afford
and to remind you also, this is a private private school,
this is not a public charter school.
Most of the children that the governor attended our
scholarship children.
I for one from a lever hope you are too that they should have
the same recreational opportunities that you find in
any other
charter school or public school many of the same kind of
exercise. So that's the purpose of this we're not seeing
organized play here or anything else. There's well we actually
thought about putting to good idea we thought about playing
basketball for F and I actually kind of internally argue with
the team about that you know allowed a basketball court
comey a lot louder and soccer field.
So just the fact that all in mind about your response to
that we will replace that fencing again we make a
commitment to staff that will fix wherever we
can with some kind of balance you know, obviously it's it's
difficult this many property owners, this different type of
fencing that's occurring all over.
Any other questions of the applicant.
>> Any board discussion there are question of staff actually
I see that
we in the development order says that a 6 month extension
may be granted.
By the Board of adjustments if a development permit hasn't
been pulled doing to change but to the planning and zoning
Commission. We do that's an air. Thank you.
And for discussion or motion. I question Mary
Mary when you guys right.
>> These recommended motions if you will
it's it I want to be clear we're not just approving the
amendment to the special exception. We're recommending
approved all of the development order you've proposed as well
as the proposed conceptual site plan correct yes, well I wish
you guys would write the motions of that way in the
future it done that before and sometimes in the board doesn't
really understand what we're really approving and I want to
make sure it's clear.
We we can make that adjustment think okay well that being said
all all amend your motion and make a motion to approve the
request for amendment to a special exception for the
expansion of private school in the want to Sony district to
include recommendation of the proposed development or and
conceptual site plan
subject to staff's recommendation conditions now
second the motion.
>> Okay all in favor. Aye opposed.
The motion passes your caviar be OK now to item number 4
Atlantic drive.
>> Good evening. Any so senior planner with development
services.
This request is for a small scale future land use map
amendment from industrial to planned development and the
reason for M one industrial to PD plan development for propose
a self storage development on approximately 1.4 2 acres
located on the southwest corner of Atlantic drive and us
highway 1792.
The applicant is requesting a small scale future land use map
amendment in rezone
order to develop the subject property as a self storage
facility with a maximum floor area area of 1.45.
The gross floor area of 89,481 square feet and a maximum
height, the 45 feet.
The subject property consists of one parcel where the little
500 Kurt previously operated. There's an existing billboard
on the southeast corner of the site which will remain and the
proposed building will be built to maintain clear visibility
of the existing billboard that has shown on the master
development plan.
The subject properties, current industrial future land use
designation reflects a trend of development at the time a
future land use map was originally adopted in 1977.
The intent of the industrial future land use designation is
to provide appropriate locations for a variety of
heavy commercial and industrial land uses oriented towards
wholesale distribution. Sturridge manufacturing and
other industrial uses.
In more recent years other policy concepts have been added
to the comprehensive plan that may have implications on the
subject property.
The mixed use development future land use designation
that was adopted in 2008 and the Oxford placed overlay that
was adopted in 2018 have been applied to nearby properties
along us 1792 us highway some to 92 excuse me
both classifications were intended to encourage mixed use
pedestrian or in the development along us highway 79
2 corridor in addition, the subject property lies within
the urban centers and corridors overlay adopted in 2016 to
support the central Florida, regional growth vision, how
shall we grow
with the intended purposes of encouraging walkable
development patterns and providing for affordable
housing. Mixed use development on the subject site is not
feasible due to the size of the site.
In addition a mixed use development with retail and
multifamily would require more off-street parking in the pool,
those use of self storage.
All those, although the subject site is located within the
center in corridors overlay staff finds the proposed
amendment is in keeping with the trend of development in the
area and compatible with the surrounding land uses the
property, small size acreage presents a few challenges
regarding land development code requirements related to
landscape buffers setbacks the floor area ratio. The applicant
has agreed to the following site condition designs in order
to mitigate any impacts surrounding uses and
properties.
The first is outdoor storage will be per head which is a
condition of development order.
The building will include architectural trend design on
questions of the parapet as shown on the architectural
renderings submitted by the applicant and will be placed in
the development development order as exhibit C landscape
Hedges will shield the air conditioning units from the
public right of way
8 out of 10 parking spaces on site will utilize permeable
favor paving services
extra landscaping will be provided in the pond area
outside of the 25 foot landscape buffer along the East
portion of the site.
Entrance Bay doors to access to storage units will not be
visible from state Road. Excuse me us highway 1792 and
will only be facing Atlantic drive
and last electric electric vehicle charging stations will
be provided for 2 parking spaces for the site on
pervious pavement.
The applicant has varying from the off-street parking
requirements under section, 30.1 2 to one. Manufacturing
concerns and where houses for one space for each 1000 square
feet of building plus one space for each to employees on the
largest shift. The applicant has provided a parking
justification study showing that the parking calculations
of one space for each 10,000 square feet of building plus
one space for each to employees on the largest shift is
adequate parking for the self storage use the applicant has
justified based on the it code 1, 5, 1, for many warehouses
that the use would generate a low traffic impact
for the it code one 51 for many warehouse, the use during peak
hours in the AM and PM is estimated at a maximum 8
vehicles entering the site 8 vehicles exiting the site.
The applicant for the proposed site is providing 10 parking
spaces for the 89,481 building.
The site is located in the city of Altamonte Springs water
service area but it's located outside of the city of L to
months sanitary service.
Service area and by the fall within the county's sanitary
sewer service area.
Therefore County utilities is the best option to provide
those services water and sewer capacity is available from the
county to serve the proposed development.
The city of Altamonte Springs has no objection to the county
providing unified service to the site and has provided a
letter to the applicant to that effect
there's an existing city own 6 inch water main located in the
in a public utility easement that runs through the property,
the utility easement and water main will be relocated to the
West side of the subject property at the time final
engineering the city of Altamonte Springs has agreed to
the relocation of the water main.
The proposed site appears to out fall to fdot Florida
Department of Transportation which would require drainage
connection permit at the time of final engineering
insight will most likely have to hold the entire 25 year 24
hour storm event on site without this church.
And the applicant is proposing buffers along the North and
East boundaries of the site the applicant proposes a reduction
in the buffer with along the north from 25 feet to 12 feet
with the 5 foot high metal fence and the East buffer as 25
feet wide facing us highway, 1792.
A community a community meeting was held but did not have any
attendees and the proposed project supports the objectives
of the PD zoning designation and that it provides the
required minimum, 25% open space and provides adequate
buffering to maintain compatibility between the
nearest rights of way to the north and the east of the site.
Staff recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a small scale future land use map
amendment from industrial to planned development and adopt
the ordinance enacting a rezone from M one industrial to PD
plan development and approve the Associated development
order and master development plan for 1.4 2 acres located.
On the southwest corner of Atlantic drive and us highway,
1792 and that concludes my presentation, you know
questions stop you.
As the applicant present president yes. I have is is the
height from a story standpoint and a building like this in
that area.
It is your other buildings that are high that it. Yes or is
there a bite
requirement a maximum yeah of 45 feet for the parapet that
will be the highest point. But from the building it will
be 40 feet okay, thank you you're welcome
anything else. So the applicant okay.
I think
Houston.
>> Good evening. I'm my name is Sam Somali I am with Florida
engineer. My address is in 27 South Orange Avenue Orlando,
Florida.
Thank you for the opportunity to present to you this evening.
I don't know if I'll go through a full presentation because
your staff already addressed a lot of the things on the site I
may just show you
somebody in doing so the project just to say you get an
idea of what's going to be developed that with me tonight
I have the it's cardamone with Nouvel development they are
local. Developer who has done numerous portage self storage
facilities, locally and in different states and also the
cut that then farmer with farmer architecture.
>> Haha.
>> We think I have some brand means maybe a 3rd horse like
this.
Just one item I wanted to highlight. I think you know we
are asking for some flexibility on the buffer on the north
side, I just wanted to show you what's existing today. Actually
the parking for than 500 isn't that right away.
So what we are proposing really is going to be a significant
improvement we've got to move all that parking and we're
going to provide 12 and a half foot landscape buffer internal
to our site so just wanted to highlight that that that will
be a significant improvement over what you see today in
terms of
additional buffering and landscaping
I had a presentation which discussed, you know the trips.
The square footage and all of these items, but what I'm going
to do is just highlight few things and then if you have
questions about the specific things I can come back and
address them.
So this is an endearing of the site looking South. So this
would be the front elevation from Atlantic Boulevard.
This here is looking Southwest. So if you're standing at the
corner looking Southwest. This is the building which
you'll see.
And this is looking West, let's say from 1792.
And this is looking Northwest. Kind of like from when the
signs are to the south of the property, so just wanted to
give you an idea of how the building would lock and I'm
available to address any questions we concur with the
staff recommendations we've worked very hard with your
staff of men working on this for over a year now
we've had a lot of meetings a lot of back and forth making
sure that the architecture you know would be a good fit.
Making sure provide adequate landscaping and buffering in
all the items and right now so that is no drainage system.
So this new development will have to meet the requirements
that is it possible that we may have to hold the 25 year storm.
But that's an open question we're going to get into it
during the design process with the engineers and that whatever
it is we will need the county and fdot any qualms thank you
questions of the applicant.
>> Is there any a member of the public would like to speak in
favor or opposition to this item
seeing none we can close the public comment portion
and I guess we don't need an apparently they're so gorgeous
question our motion.
I'll make a motion.
>> To recommend the Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a small scale future land use map
amendment from industrial to planned development and act the
ordinance enacting a rezone from M one to PD
and approve the Associated development order and master
development plan for approximately 1.4 2 acres
located on
on the low located on the located on the southwest corner
of Atlantic drive and South us highway 17.
>> I was second the motion all in favor aye opposed.
So the mask motion passes.
We have to close in business mayor you have anything for the
word nothing to report.
And we will adjourn.