>> Good evening, everyone, this is the September 6 2023
Seminole County planning and zoning Commission meeting my
name is Curtis a lot and chairman for tonight's meeting
please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
>> Well, United States of America and to the Republic for
which it stands one nation.
>> This meme this board is a 7 member board appointed by the
Board of County commissioners, a crime has been established a
whole tonight's meeting
public hearing items acted upon by the sport before I refer to
the Board of County commissioners for further
consideration.
Members present tonight, our myself Chris Sullivan, vice
chairman commissioner deanne Lopez commissioner, Tim Smith,
I'm sorry Steve Smith,
Tim we're still waiting for and commissioner Walter front door.
Savvas and tonight, our academic director of
development services doesn't grow. Senior assistant County
attorney Vladimir Simon off the professional engineer
development review,
Tammy brush with PNC clerk.
And that concludes that.
Tonight's meeting will go as follows stoppel introduce each
item the applicant will present the item audience members
wishing to speak will then be heard
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call the for any slick.
That we can begin our agenda items, the first item on the
agenda is a physician approval of the publication.
Motion to second. All right all in favor, aye.
Approved the next item is approval of the minutes joy
have a motion to approve the second second on favor. I I
when that separate
but that will move on to our public hearing items, the bride
very rezone presented by Rebecca him.
>> Good evening for the record. I have my mom and services
director, I'm presenting on behalf of John Robinson who is
the project manager. For this item.
The first item on the agenda is the primary reason the
applicant is requesting a rezone from a one agricultural,
and a one and are wanting a single family. 2 islands are in
a single-family dwelling on approximately 6.3 3 acres
located west of rooster court approximately 250 feet north of
Ronald Reagan Boulevard.
The applicant proposes a residential development
consisting of 18 single-family dwelling units with a minimum
lot size of 9,000 square feet and a minimum lot winds at
building -75 feet.
The subject property has a low density residential future land
use designation which allows a maximum of 4 dwelling units per
acre the intent of the density residential future land use
designation is to provide appropriate locations, first
and are detached single-family residential homes.
The site is located in the city of Sanford utility service area
and is required to connect.
This item must be if approved the rezoning is proven to
improve and they can move forward with developing the
site it will be required to hold up to the entire 2524 hour
store event on-site depending on appropriate out fall
availability and downstream capacity will be determined at
final engineering if the zoning is approved.
The property proposes access onto Tech or drive along the
North property boundary. Tucker drive is classified as a
forward way and does not have improvements program and in the
county's 5 year capital improvement program. There are
no sidewalks along Tucker dry. So if the project is approved
the developer will be required to build a 5 foot sidewalk
along Tucker drive.
There are no open space requirements in the R one a
single-family residential zoning district and any buffers
that will be required will be determined at preliminary
subdivision plan approval.
The school impact analysis was conducted and the school
district found that there is capacity available to
accommodate that the proposed units
the applicant held a community meeting on Thursday 6/29/2023
yadkin indicated that 20 people approximately 20 people were in
attendance, a nearby property owners expressed concerns about
drainage loss of natural habitat, current and potential
traffic issues impact property values.
Staff finds that the requested rezone is compatible with
surrounding development and is consistent with that the
allowable uses and density provisions after low density
residential future land use designation staff also finds
the proposed zoning to be consistent with the conference
of plan.
One item I would like to know is if the rezoning is approved
the applicant is proposing to provide access to 2 lots to
agricultural acreage lots to the south of the proposed
property through their front pages
roadway internal to the subdivision which would be a
public road.
And so in order not to Korea landlocked situation for those
lost to the south so that is the zoning is approved and they
go through the subdivision process they would be plotting
a roadway that in those properties to the south would
have access to
and with that that concludes my presentation staff recommends
that the board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance and acting every zone from a one in our
when a single-family dwelling
2 are win a single family driver residential subdivision
on approximately 6.3 3 acres located west of first record
proximate Lee 200 feet north of North Ronald Reagan Boulevard.
We have an answer any questions questions that the applicant.
Staff.
>> I have a question of the sidewalk that they're going to
be required to put in will let go from baywood drive all the
way to Ronald Reagan.
No there is already a sidewalk on the South to talk and drive
just to the neighboring property on the East Side.
So just going to be extended from that point on to the West
End of the property.
Other questions of staff.
The applicant present yes.
>> Good evening off for the record Ken Fisher said
kermanshah nearing I am representing me owner we can on
this project, I'm going to be brief with my comments and I'm
going to reserve for a battle by just to clarify a couple of
things or to point him out again from our back ahead said.
It's a question of this property is already zoned R one
mi and a small sliver of it is agricultural and as you know
agricultural is kind of a police car and hoping. And so
we're just trying to make it consistent, we're surrounded by
our one. So we will be consistent with the majority of
our sign that already zone and the properties around us.
And if you've got any other questions, I'm here and then
I'll just wait for all.
The key questions of the applicant.
We're in right now.
>> Is there any member of the audience would like to speak in
favor or against this item.
Getting some comment cards.
What's the use.
What's that.
We have a number of covid
the cards here. Those who have elected not to speak out costs
of throughout the board. So that they can read the
comments written
and let's begin with Michelle Everly
come up and state your name and address for the record.
Hello, I'm Michelle Everly I live at 09:00AM adventure
several.
I have lived in this neighborhood for possibly 45 of
my 63 years.
>> I have several concerns in the development of this
neighborhood. You guys have already talked about the
sidewalk that's a major concern because the majority of that
Lake back there does not have a side walk around and not only
the top or side. But the other side of it does not have a
sidewalk either. We have lots of small children
that walk that way to go to the box. We also have lots of
people that liked to walk their animals and staff and I feel
the increased traffic is going to become dangerous.
Number 2. The lake back there is not maintained the county
knows it. 4 times of the year.
The sewers are overgrown. The structure is crumbling
around it this far as the road in that area. And that kind of
saying if you've gone down that road, you'll notice that the
turn into this proposed neighborhood is quite the
angle.
And in the words for construction trucks and all
that kind of stuff to comes through there is going to be a
tight curve, it's going to destroy what little bit there
is.
Tucker does not even have curves the par going out past
the church.
We have no increased traffic
is no left time look timely what you get out of soccer to
go anywhere on for 27, nor is there a timely into some land.
If you're going to have to increase cars.
All those dreams, a very small out there along that thing I
were talking and small.
It isn't a flood zone, a
so what is going to happen when that little Lake flows into the
entrance of this new development
who's going to take care of that.
One what benefit to some of the state's residents does this
happen
that neighbor has been there for 60 years.
They do pass jobs on all the roads, the curbs all the
infrastructure.
What's going to come of that with the increased 30 to 40
cars a day not to mention all the construction and not
repeat.
They're 60 years old.
They really need a better road out of talk or if you're going
to have any more consider traffic.
That traffic is not just going to impact travel Tracker
because they're going to want to come out the other way and
go out the other entrances of Sunland we already have a cause
through problems with people coming through there for 4.27.
So this is adding to the danger nurse
because we have speed problems, we have multiple fences,
houses everything has been impacted. That's for
we really need the county to see that we need improvements
if this is to go through especially considering it's all
over a small amount for the grass to get out one for 27.
Thank you Mister really.
Next we have deep Brophy
my name's Dave Brophy I love that one 11 talker drive which
is right next to where you want to put that entrance.
All these homes in this area where former Navy calls my
father was a courier Navy person.
I have lived there are 11 years, it's a beautiful area,
people get along we do not need these additional homes we're
going to be you're going to take away some of my property
in the front.
You're going to there's highlighted woodpeckers should
be protected there are gopher tortoises there are ALS maybe
going if you care about today's fire meant but I've been
environmental also that I was 13 years old.
What you're doing is criminal. It is wrong please I beg of you
vote against this. There's plenty of room or for the world
to us. It's completely. There's and they've been tearing down
the trees first already lost their lives. I've had 10 and
was put on my card in my front yard, I don't know if this is
part of the people who are wanting to put this property
trying to scare me but I don't scare easily what you're doing
if you approve this.
I'm showing you.
It's not a good thing.
And God will be watching.
Thank you miss Brophy
next we have the list, a.
Justin Houston.
State your name and address for the record.
>> My name is Melissa Houston. I love that one '03 weight
strife, which is the road. That's right in front of the
Han Solo's bus ride the entrance to
ways is only one walk long.
And the entrance to this proposed neighborhood become
right near the end of our road. We are the keepers of the docks
and any time, there's one injured we take it to the
vastly pay for it we take care of the wildlife.
>> We already have a problem with
traffic going around that pond. We have a garbage problem all
the way around that pond, we are the ones that take care of
it. I don't want to see
you
anything coming in there.
>> And how do you to the problems that don't want the
traffic, I have grandchildren with in my home, yeah, lots of
small children. I purchased that home 17 years ago, knowing
we checked out the neighborhood extensively we look at the
flood Plains, we looked at all of that that is a spring said
sorry I'm from Northside called upon, but it's considered too
late she here and and it's Frank said. So luckily even
with the big hurricanes that we had last year.
And the year before we have never had a flooding problem,
it's come up close to the edge.
It's my understanding that the drainage that supports that
system goes right where they're going to build
and and I
happened to work for and I mean city so I know what
I know the issues that other builders are causing.
>> That affect different places.
And over again.
>> I don't want to see that happen to a neighborhood
because a number of citizens.
I'm able to get flood insurance in the state of Florida where
they have paid dearly for it.
>> We'll get a few extra of moments here because we didn't
restart the clock and you can pay.
>> And so I just I don't want to see the floodplain
destroying people's homes because extra
but homes need to be crammed in the middle of a neighborhood.
And there are so many other places to build.
So many I and I don't understand why they want
access. Ronald Reagan.
As
kind of access if there's only going one way and now why does
it have to be on to the lesser maintain Street, then the Big 3
way that's already there.
I think that's okay. Thank you very much.
>> Tonight it's this is a quasi judicial hearing not here so
we'll need to stop that, Steven powder by saying that right.
>> State border live from the other half.
One 11 Tech arrive.
Right next door where this is going.
We have a problem with traffic coming through there. I had my
mailbox wide out twice
and
they use it for a cut through.
We've got
also in there.
We used to have a
another animal was in there is up
something really I was talking to Mister Bradbury was a lot
about it, here's tell me.
It should just seems like there should be another way to come
out and out.
Besides started right.
They cut through there they speed through there. They want
to go around the families they kept the corners that just gets
to be ridiculous.
And and that's my thoughts on it.
>> Charles Bennett.
My job in 6.21 kamiyah core.
I'm live there for the taking for years.
And I was raised just down the road on tangerine Avenue.
And the days, my 54 wedding anniversary too.
But I want to say that the property coming off a rooster
part Mister Bradbury so used to
that was a pond years ago as you go from digging in.
And when hurricane Donna came through that whole area was
flooded.
And this project if you put in my side dish and
charging on this
and then have a
the distance between the property they want to build a
59 feet of us you know,
and they shot a man is 15 feet above sea level. So you good 9
foot difference variance
and I'm concerned at all that water is going to flow from
that project and the Bradbury probably it used to give up on
this last hurricane we had.
My neighborhood right behind me and in front of
I think that still the Bradbury panic.
There was water standing all and there was a problem was.
And I'm afraid the storm that we're having
let me
that is going over film camera and our property
and also I believe that the trees that are in that
property.
Have a great win for major Hurricanes are we having.
Neither side Tucker and shot a land when the storms come
through.
And also if you build a retainer upon
on the property.
We still have like no name there.
And he has good for the show was that blows into the or too
late just that
as you all know to see storms we had last year with disaster.
At that water overflowed you're going to have a problem because
the water now going to go anywhere.
And it can happen again.
And also
that aid.
It is approved to build a project
which I hope they do have a wall should be built around for
that
we developed that would be inside there.
The ice.
And
I'm just concerned for the water.
We know it
that has been a very big issue.
And that's all I have to say thank you.
>> Bennett can you show us on the map or stop do we have a
better maybe view of this where you're asking for a while
except that where you said in in there.
And you pointed out
where do we need to we need something a little bit more
zoomed in the freezer
I mean it was a planned one.
>> Here
and there's a road.
Part of the Bradbury
here today.
We like to say when hurricane Ida and to all this area and
there was little water when the problem.
Well, getting in and out.
I feel that here and this. There.
>> Okay, so you'd like to see along the south side.
>> Come out with their own life in that area.
Thank you thank you.
Jack Wayne.
>> Good in a jet plane that was a 2 to 4 Flamingo drive.
One of those things is my first rodeo is as far as it goes so
please excuse to you know, and I found out about it this
evening. So I might as well as informed as a lot of these
folks are
I'm a 3rd generation Seminole County born and raised I worked
on my 21st year working for Seminole County serving the
public.
I hope to retire where I live I live in Sunland a live.
So right there South summit drive I live on for me to do
which is to allow on the other side.
Ideal and have had to deal with a lot of the cut to traffic is
a lot of the folks here as mentioned not only that my
property backs up to what is formally the free market
property. My dad lived there for that in my home for 25
years and he passed there and I moved in there about about 8
years ago.
That said I hope to retire there.
I understand changes to happen. I you know chances are back you
know 70 years ago when our neighborhood. The bill I'm sure
people are opposed to it.
You know people that live somewhere I understand as the
gentleman said the proposed property to understand this a
few feet above everything else.
The backyards of a lot of the houses the backup. Across the
street from my house they have a drainage ditch with code
words that run under the road and they drain into the woods
behind my house.
Well this past storm, I have water coming up in almost to my
house.
You know, I'm no meteorologist or whatever but people to say
things are getting worse or it's getting hotter. The storms
are getting worse at that storms 100 a 100 years.
My opinion what's changing is the amount of construction and
development.
The key putin places the water can do it's going to find a
place to go.
And we keep building places, you know, you know it's just
I hate to see it. And the like, I said at the beginning,
I'm not as informed and and to you know on the topic is a lot
of folks here but I do live there. I want to stay living
there. I understand other people have to have a place to
live but we've got to do it with the concern the
consideration of the people that have been living there for
years and hope to live there for years. And if it doesn't
stop or it doesn't get brought to the attention now when
you can't cross a corner turned one without something else you
know coming up
hopefully next time I stand here of a little more informed,
but you know it's one of those that put my name on the car
note and they called me what I do now, but you know
thank you for your time, thank you very much.
Lisa Dunlap.
We've got some love.
The show tests on.
This was a met and decided to to decide you want to speak.
Every of
Amanda that 4, 1, to occur.
I live close to Ronald Reagan.
My concern with the traffic.
We've had
like everybody said about the cut for they fly.
They find for Ronald Reagan, they fly out to go to Italy.
My parents could it be able to and from my house.
My neighbors had a motorcycle and we are
neighbor across the street had a car hit a tree.
Numerous mailboxes flatten
we go on the lake no name.
Like if you're on coming home, you have to stop
the ongoing car.
Go around there's no clearance
and what they've said before about the.
They you know they the new project only dog,
which is all cleaned fallen whose love of all.
The lake no name
nothing little from the grass that will cut the trees.
The road like a lot of people
to come through the air that they want to build.
And also you know, I've seen the water rise up, but
so that's my concerns.
It's going to be more attractive can get out.
You know without some kind of a you know having to strain to
get past the polls.
The front of the neighborhood.
Well, the people who knew Jones.
So that every morning.
Well that's what I want thank you very much.
James frankly that you like to speak.
>> And it's going to James are playing a bit through 5 took a
drive.
Yeah, my wife or my concern really is a lot of the traffic
that goes through there like everybody else is saying it's
already a problem yet and more homes we're going to scoot back
through even faster and
we're talking about it and get that we couldn't stop it too.
Perhaps have a wall built because our property boats out
right to the area where they're going to be building at.
My one of my concerns is the you know the actual homes,
extra families kids friends, whatever travel on the backside
of our fences, I mean it's nothing from the just come
through and you know start causing chaos.
Yeah, as well as for if you build up the land the water got
to go somewhere our yard already kind of floods a little
bit like
it's not extremely bad, but it definitely does get some water
in a in the extra building is going to add extra water and
therefore it already comes up to our back porch.
I'm afraid with that it's actually going to come in the
House.
So yeah, those are pretty much my concerns as far as you know
just the the traffic and foot traffic. The potential of what
could be there so this ash guys please consider that when
you're deciding on this thing.
>> Can you point us of Tucker is W*** in Kirby there can you
point us to where your property is.
Yeah.
That's also as you come around the top side, there.
Ours is the right word says site just underneath it.
Carol capital men to speak.
>> Hi Carol Kaplan 1, 1, 1, or someone drive to do with
everything everybody said my comment is we just recently we
got our Park
and Lake got enhanced by the county, we haven't even had a
chance to enjoy that.
And now you're bringing wanting to make changes to to our
neighborhood. My concern is that what is a prize value of
the new homes going to be lived right down our property value.
I think going to be had housing is it going to be apartments.
And those are my questions thank you.
Would you like to come up and speak.
>> My name is Kurt parish one 14 South certainly and drive.
But if you look at the map.
You see Camilla
the next Street over his right eye.
You might think
they want to affect me that much.
But there and mentioning that's your traffic,
everybody touch here
from 1792.
They come down they end up getting a talker.
Showing the math.
17 around great.
We have to come down to great here to do a u-turn
visibility,
to left.
It is not good.
I my main concern is the traffic and like everybody else
the water in the neighborhood.
I think it traffic study would need to be done and my opinion
because there's no light and there's no grass.
I just add the least
maybe you should drive either take a look at the intersection
try to come out attacker.
It said Ronald Reagan has got a lot of fans traffic and they
she to come out of nowhere because visibility is so low.
I think
for sure it sure would even agree to become much better
Street in the grass from but
I guess there's pounds purchasing land.
Tigers is they're on their French that I believe
so anyway thank you for your time.
>> Are there any other members.
The audience would like to speak in favor or opposition to
this item.
>> My name is Nelson Fernandez and I look forward to Cherokee
Lane. So far away from a lot of this but I'm not because I use
Tucker when I come in from Ronald Reagan have lived in
some of the states since 1985 ahead here much like this
gentleman. So it's been a long time, but nevertheless, my
fence has been demolished 4 times in that time period.
My mailbox like many folks in here has been demolished.
Oh and for those of you that are asking for walls as the
people who live in rounds of the Sunland circle. How the
young people from the apartment. That we're also
misled on jump the fences and just kind of walk through
people's backyards, so you know fences are wonderful was are
wonderful. If they're used properly and people respect
that. So beyond that
I've just seen too many cars raced down. Sunland the future
King land is basically 2 houses that sit everything else is
Cherokee circle.
People use that to get back to get 2 of 4.27.
I've seen it when there is a lot of fast little Japanese
cars, I've seen it when the older folks
driving nice and easy as the motorcycle guys doing 60 have
also know that the lake dot intersection with Cherokee way
I saw a guy get killed on a motorcycle there many years
ago. So
my concern because I'm away from that is is the traffic.
I also would say and I apologize because I missed the
first 10 minutes of this
who in their right mind would put a subdivision in the middle
of a subdivision and not have access to the main highway that
makes no sense to me whatsoever that is illogical that makes no
sense that is not to be partisan landed states in the
States what some of these folks here like my neighbor when I
first moved in there was a veteran most of them were all
naval Air station people, you know now as those folks and
passed on and now their children are getting it
earlier. OK that's probably going to be called what Brad
various states are Bradbury whatever so why did they come
out in our neighborhood which is bad enough already.
>> To access that could erode 2 to 2 world already. So those
are my my comments and thank you for your patience.
>> You could go ahead and we can kind of Q against the law
will be up next.
My name is Jaime Tricia was only one of 6 from drive in
Sanford.
What actually all these do was to build it is all this stuff.
The we're trying to do in this zone, e
they got in this respect all these people
on top of that you know these people. This area of those Bell
build on 1963.
And my mother-in-law she lives like 2 houses from Moss she
been doing almost 65 years.
Right now on walls on the bron driveby still have a problem
and the drainage of the water sometimes is the heavy rain
causes of some kind of law.
I don't understand you know, I know that every the Florida is
growing. Do all the Dow overall though the bill is they want to
build the houses or something but it doesn't make sense,
you know did build like almost 52 units of something in all
it's going to be totally
too many traffic said too many people's and he's going to be
causing chaos in the area.
As a person want to sell their job was something we should
consider these people to stay in this area, you know these
you know sell it to that less like you know divided just too.
Let's get a great, you know something you know just lets
people moment.
I know at the end, you know they've got to win, but
it's not right, you know.
Thank you Sir.
Research found that I'm sorry I don't know your name.
>> Hi my name is Tony Costa. And I love that one '07 weeks
drive which is
right on the lake, no name which is actually Lakewood
mayor
and I have a 6 year-old daughter, the lights to honor
by around the pond. And there's enough traffic already that
goes through from Ronald Reagan all the way through. Tucker
drive and down to the neighborhood and to a U.S.
1792. Like they're saying before.
Tucker drive to Ronald Reagan is only a right-hand turn.
So if those houses are built there.
All those people leaving for work are going to it's just
going to back up all the way to brown Street.
>> Which is the first Street right off of Tucker.
That's all going back up with what
all of the people trying to get out
to Ronald Reagan to go to work in the morning. There's a lot
of kids that walk around the pond around Tucker and they
were to get to the bus. Those kids with people coming and
going. Those kids.
My possibly get run over by people trying to get in and out
trying to get to work.
A while that free world was demolished and all that
property is now vacant.
And it was never developed.
What it is an isolated area. Why can they just develop
different world areas, there's so much there used to be
they're going to put shops in there and a lot of House,
I know doesn't have anything to do with free world, but but
instead develop and in our neighborhood they can develop.
I just we will area
and also offer drainage the pond is getting overrun with
with education and any more of that drainage it's just a nut
filled up on too much and just the the infrastructure is
there's not much there for drainage
we can to thank you.
>> Any other member of the audience would like to speak
for.
Go ahead and just bring your comic art, but.
>> Robert for president over one more sunny and dry.
Not necessarily opposed to the project if we could have
project bill you have to wear extend out from a bureau
waiting for you for Easter.
Traffic as it is already fairly bad with people coming through
I have a wife 2 small children.
Here are some of my neighbors as well.
I do enjoy play around.
One yards and everything else unfortunately we do see quite a
bit of people that are coming through from 79 to the Ronald
Reagan and vice versa.
Not necessarily disregard for life but disregard for the
speed.
For people coming through 5060 miles an hour through there.
I have seen myself personally quite a few wrecks right that
intersections within the neighborhood as well.
Unfortunately, I think with
a new subdivision coming in from right there and having it
runs through our neighborhood
with the benefit us in any way
that I can see what is that going to do for any you know
drivers or anything else for wanting to come through our how
we get there. Your reaction to speeding and everything else
too.
Certainly oppose the project being built to see if we can
find a way to go somewhere you know outside of our
neighborhood as it is would be you know for folks before we
can do anything.
>> Want to finish speaking work with Tammy to get a comment.
No I'm I'm Carol so I'm Carol Sierra I live in one of 9 Brown
drive is actually the second House right off a talker.
And we already have an issue I have 2 small daughters my
daughter graduate from high school and they're in middle
school right now and it's already an issue when they walk
to get their boss. The committee.
They don't have a sidewalk.
At the curve right what you guys want to build.
There is nowhere this kids
could walk through it unless they're walking on the grass
for people's properties.
They have had to run home because cars as only and how
and we already have an issue like people said of coming in
and out of Tucker because of Ronald Reagan I myself get out
of there. At any time of the hour and you cannot this ABC
any cars in coming.
Let it on feel secure enough to press on that gas and go
without knowing it will cause him to come out of nowhere and
hit you.
Now the concern is as a parent they already have only one pass
to Greenwood
that one bus makes the Liberty that one stop and the boss is
full.
If you put in your house is how would you accommodate.
So fulfill those kids going to the same school
and writing and that bus.
When we add bus.
I know that we probably are not going to be able to fight this.
But the biggest concern is these children. A lot of people
are leaving fortune buying family members are moving in
with small children because this is a great community to
raise your kids.
But if you build this and we can no longer walk safely walk
our dogs enjoy the community.
How can you fit this and with my people.
My other biggest concern is that any little storm that
passes by
on one '09.
Brown and 86 houses from being a runaway in down we lose
power.
Do I feel safe enough now not being with power in my house
and having additional homes that I no longer know. It is
going to be section people not to discriminate.
People have to live cases.
But I want the property 10 years ago because I feel safe
and the crime rate is backing down
by adding that
and not fixing any of the issues that we currently have
is going to do with the service for taxpayers.
The other issue that we have a neighbor an hour.
He has a dump truck.
Every time he drives an, I kid you not 3 miles 4 miles an hour
to park is on track at home.
My home rattles
so is that what I'm going to have to live with until this
development is built.
Am I going to have to forfeit my kids playing in my yard
because now I do not trust.
These cars coming in and out of Tucker.
Think about that.
Thank you.
I'll be very brief.
>> Basically I just name and address on sorry Brian Shaw,
one South someone drive.
I just want to reiterate what a couple other people have
already said about speeding cars and the traffic to our
neighborhood.
It's absolutely out of control, I myself have called the police
probably 15 times in the last 6 months over speeding cars
people cutting Donuts
it's just it's that we don't need more people in that
neighborhood. We don't we really don't I know that it's a
good thing to have more people moving into Seminole County.
But please not they're not there. I mean we can't even get
Seminole County to come out and fix the potholes in that.
I mean there's giant holes.
There was a hole on summerland drive that was about this big
that the
what they do to fix it. They came out and cut the big square
and that we have a big square like this that's that.
It's ridiculous I mean we can't even get.
Our roads fixed and you guys want to spend money on building
a
you know we just don't we don't need it.
Somewhere else
I'm all for it, but in that area I just I can't I just our
neighborhood needs attention to itself before we.
You can even think about doing something else like that
that's a thank you Sir.
>> Why does everyone else you'd like to speak in favor or
opposition to this man would you like to come up.
And when she finished became please work with Tammy to a lot
of comment card for the record.
>> I'm from their room
and I even saw and learned since 1968 to address this
beautiful place can you give us your address please. One of 2
Brown try think
my first question is what are we going to do with ground
rife.
I said that enjoying that plays my little house
with the birds.
Nice people.
And now
he's on these strange people and into our neighborhood that
have been so quiet and nice.
No we have
and you know
same places the R**** Concord where you can call him.
We see a lot of March and ice.
I know people. Another tri-cities clothing to those
things is I have one on my side.
A lot of trash
with that being said that sending the people that call me
and we're going to add that we do have the
you need to see the lights from the streets.
We do have like 10 die.
I have been the one of course being to the county we believe
that the
places where they might be a
pain not since.
And a study and they could do.
But we do have an interest to do that.
You send somebody or you home one night 2 round right.
You are going to be some rice.
No lines
we are seeing that that.
But we are paying for that.
And I'm the guy that was saying about the whole so the street.
We have one.
And when it's raining.
We want the bodies there.
I called the county again.
Finally, I know they don't like me. Planes, I'm the one going.
My name, there was a 90 years old shoe game. Shipley's rules.
These way because look at the water is standing with the
morning because we have some rain.
Then
is it know that the shoes that you know people that he's that
close.
They horse racing that but for me and the children
and with that school bus and a we have grades one to driving.
And they are running because they don't want to lose the
bus.
And some dimes the drive and they don't wait for these kids.
They live in there. They have to go back home and that they
would you let the parents I know they're going to go to
war.
A similar things. You know that
by the U.S. and we're going to have one of the state board
really we have
the only people and whatever age they are driving and
earning well, and I think it was that they could do to begin
because they don't want to be a.
See what we can get from these. Thank you thank you ma'am
okay, I haven't seen any other hands raised.
There's something okay, we need to develop comment cards.
Come closer so we can
a lot of people tonight doesn't have if you still want to
speak. Could you please come set up closer and one of these
roads are.
So that we can
save some time.
Mining say whenever that is 62 Cherokee circle.
>> And with everybody here I just wanted to happen. I don't
want to transcend my neighbor heard we were there first.
During we've learned so that our sewers were pouring out of
the black.
And you want to add 40 homes on top of that
that's not fair.
I mean literally like somebody had a sprinkler going of sewage
because of the overt of water we can take in.
I raised 2 children their 22 year-old and a 13 year-old they
ride those buses, they have to dodge the traffic. I didn't
have to dodge the traffic. I had to pull people out of
cars when they flipped because they were going too fast and
was killed themselves.
It's a red state to be in just on general and now to add more
people and more homes, 40 homes.
It's not going to be just one person it's going to be
probably a minimum of 2 people to 4 people a whole.
That's a lot out on top of fire, falling apart rose in the
infrastructure, we have
and that's a lot of love to put on us as the people that
already lived there not stop there.
I appreciate it thank you just to clarify the proposal is 18
homes.
>> I'm not 40 so that we're all on the same page.
State your name and address for the record Lori down in for a
treat 100 right.
First off I just want to thank you for your time this evening.
My biggest concern is the traffic some mornings I had to
sit there for 10 or 15 minutes just to get out of my driveway.
Directly across from my house. Another house a sense of the
curve which makes it a blind spot for me just leave you my
driveway, it had several cars almost hit on that curve right
there because you can see the coming traffic turn the
accident occurred. And the incoming traffic because of the
cars that they have parked in their yard par catty corner so
that whole areas, one spot.
We have had several bad accidents there I have had
people in my yard from taking that curve too fast.
But my biggest concern not only that is you know I for one
don't want to sit there and hear tractor trailers coming
down why Street when I'm trying to get a day off or day of
rest.
No shirt and the elderly who live on my road don't want to
hear needs are.
I really like to know why rooster
it being looked at more if they're willing to pay the
price for this land and pay the price for that Street.
But please don't hurt and the people that have lived there
for all these years with this.
I mean the times the way are we don't need is added stress.
You know, it's I beg you to please make the route this in a
different direction.
And I want to thank you for your time. Thank you.
Routing.
>> To the U.S. 77 chair of the circle.
2 kids that go to the stuff. The bus stop for the school.
On the top of this already difficult.
I'm afraid. I mean
the biggest concern will be traffic.
And when
construction started on a lot of big equipment coming into a
I
we just were construction.
Nothing here get it done by everything, yes.
Heavy trucks
is a lot of
noise dust.
You name it.
I feel sorry for the whole community because
is it going to be
time until they finish plus in the future that
neighbors that
it does get to be built. More traffic and out
bus,
my main concern, you know.
I'm also going to be going trying to go in 1782 is going
up we all love.
Workers are going to come from everywhere so
we're going to be a lot of traffic going the morning.
In the afternoon.
I would say that's
more or less what I was going to say.
I continue to thank you for the score.
>> And without will close the public comments. It is not
here.
>> Every really can allow it could be that could happen with
everyone.
But we do have a chance for applicant rebuttal and can ask
some questions of the applicant.
Can you speak to that.
>> This is the official zoning map and the future land use map
for the county. There's a couple of places you can find
it online you can find it on the property appraiser's
website and you can find it on the county's website.
Again for the record conditioner.
>> I start with the biggest issue that I'm hearing from
everybody tonight is first required least record is not a
right away. Mister card is a private dirt road and East
meant to we don't have access. We don't have frontage to
Ronald Reagan, I wish we did that's not an option.
It is not an option with their worst record is not right of
way. There's no legal way for us to get it.
Access to Ronald Reagan or we would be doing that. There's a
10 foot peak, it has nothing to do with many it's private
property.
There is a 10 foot.
The person that is to the right of the tea in court. He has a
10 foot flag lot to this property then there's a
different property on the West Side and then it's a different
property on the East Side there is no right way to get to.
But don't break it, currently this property has a home on it
and there is access and to everyone and gave special
attention everyone so let us hear the responses from the
applicant based
there is currently a house on this property houses over a 100
years old.
Well meet little creepy later there is currently an access
and a gate on Tucker drive right now for this property.
This property is future land use is the last. We are
currently so this property has development right now before
this family has owned this property over a 100 years
before signing land was in existence and I know a lot of
people don't like change is.
This family had changes with development around them.
So we've got I'm a future land use of we're doing is great but
already we are at. Thank you the map so the map on the left
is the future land use which gives us the right to have a
density of 2 affordable units per acre the map on the right
is astounding. What is in orange is already zoned R one a
so we're looking for the same zoning us any land and the same
size lost a son and
we have a little sliver which is green which is agricultural
so our rezoning is really just to clean up.
The zoning map sense. Agriculture is just a place
called er.
For sending.
So as far as to drain into whatever we get into the final
engineer and I know the board knows but we have to do a
drainage analysis in any we have to classify what amount of
water is leading our property, our property is higher then the
pond across the street.
We're actually higher so we're not where that pond is is
coming to they're there to do an analysis and most likely I'm
going to guess that it's land mine, I'm really not a 100%
sure so we have to here is usually the requirement 25 year
24 hour storm its landmark we have to exceed that and then we
have to hold everything on the on site to drain just kind of
being an issue but that's not really a function of sending
but I am access sidewalks I agree with the audience for
some reason.
Right when the scene.
Right when you see Brown and you go South the ground for
some reason the sidewalk stop along talker. So there's right
where the church starts
which is the big which is
I know not half of this.
Is the church.
Parcel is the church and that's where the sidewalk stop and
don't extend all the way to Ronald Reagan, I don't blame
the residents. I'm not sure why the county hasn't come in and
extended the sidewalks to Ronald Reagan doesn't make a
lot of sense. That's not a function of 17, it's not a
function. I've not checked that our budget is proposing,
we ate a whole 18 homes, not 52 nod to 18. Once we get into
final engineering many times that number goes down we never
goes up.
When you see that's about that I think about that's about it.
But you have other than to say that too.
>> The future land use is already in place for really
just trying to clean up the zoning but the same size lots
and sunny Lane. I'm not sure how we would evaluate them are
prices will probably start about half a million.
For our homes.
So I'm not sure that it's going to be value anything in our
project will have sidewalks we have sidewalk stories we don't
have sidewalks to our West a long talk of us it will be
connected to the sidewalks
I'm talking I think a lot of issues with speeding. That's up
to the county and they want to actually stop signs were
certainly not opposed to that.
>> That's a post I'm sorry we need to give respect the
applicant as well and that's what we're doing. I do want to
ask anyone to leave but I I well public hearing this close
everyone is given an opportunity to speak sorry,
this is our process.
Okay,
it can help us place.
>> We will be getting answers and questioning the applicant
and we're trying to get everything answer for everyone
who spoke so we need to be quiet and listen.
>> But if you guys have any questions I I think that kind
of wrap that at that.
And yeah we friends Tucker Tucker is a county maintained
owned and maintained their weight is a public right away
we find that we already have access on stock or there is a
gate in front of our property.
We've got 18 holes, we are going to be cleaning up their
properties to our South that's got some. D I don't know if you
want to call it non conforming Lauder and not a lot of record
the House so we're going to be giving the 3 parcels to our
South frontage on right away because they currently have no
frontage on any right away so they're kind of stuck in the
middle which is the right of every family. It to my client
has purchased this from so we're going to clean up we're
going to clean up the plots behind us around this.
And have you know that cleaned up, but yes so we're just
asking to follow the zoning that's already in place.
>> Could you show us exactly where the purse pose sidewalk
will come on Tucker, sure so.
>> Right there where it says Tucker dry our North entrance
are
to our East is an existing sidewalk to our West along
Tucker dry, there is no sidewalk if it is a little odd.
The sidewalk configuration out there and that of the existing
subdivision is a little odd
and then it continues and heads down to Ronald Reagan. But
right with a large parcel is a church and that's where the
sidewalk stops so their sidewalks on Ronald Reagan and
a small section of sidewalk and talking and then it just stops.
>> Where the sidewalk will and that you are building will be
where it curves
comes away from the subject property.
>> There's no way for me.
Yes so
so we can you see that small section where we find Tucker.
That's about half way across or sell on the Northeast side.
Rebecca Hall, the map and West ham he gets to it first.
Just this morning.
>> So case I'm going to tell you to memorize right knee.
Let me switch to this this morning.
Okay so here will be our insurance to Tucker.
And then this this section of Tucker. There's a sidewalk that
ends right here so we will connect our sidewalk to the
sidewalk right here. There is no sidewalk on Tucker here.
This so this will be your entrance and will connect to
the Tucker sidewalk.
The SEC the Tucker sidewalk ends right about here.
This is the church property
and then their sidewalk along Ronald Reagan, so
this section of sidewalk.
Does an excess.
Thank you about the one that's proposed to be built so yes,
it will have sidewalk. Both sides of our were just
proposing one road so we'll have a
it's going to be the it's going to be hard but we just have one
road and so we'll have sidewalks on both sides of our
road and then it will connect to the existing sidewalk.
So we'll put the section that we front I'm Tucker will out of
sidewalk there along Tucker and that will connect to the
existing sidewalk to the east.
I'm someone who spoke mentioned property taken away on Tucker.
Can you speak to that and if there's any cause for concern
or any I'm not sure what property would be taken away on
Tucker. A nun proposed
what questions they have.
>> Yeah be done any kind of a wild ride started the year.
>> Not be a bad to leave the county wants that to be within
the last 12 months. So we usually meter final engineering
so that we don't have to do it twice were you aware of
anything on the property and just from what the neighbors
have told us that the community meeting and the Mister Brown
who owns the property has been said that there's much other
than.
>> The typical squirrels turtles.
>> Reckons that nothing
not going to give us many things it's a very heavily what
you can thank you you're welcome to the questions of the
applicant and can you repeat again.
>> It's 18 list is 18 units story was that was the number
you suggested it might be.
>> Whenever we get final engineering the number never
goes 18 will be our maximum that a lot of times we start
working out the details of the pond. Sometimes we started
losing lots, sometimes happens a lot. And this case it is in
fact a landlocked which I suspect it well once we get
that G attack and we start running our storm water
numbers. And it's not uncommon to lose a lot that we never can
gain so than 18 will be with the psp that's become a very
tough division plan so we can lose, but we want to appeal to
gain. Thank you.
>> I just want to clarify for my understanding
and also for the public benefit, the public's benefit
as well so the current zoning that's in place your already
able to go to about 10.
10 units here that is correct Sir really to the zoning change
that you're asking for is only going to allow you to to put an
additional 8 correct.
>> Hey zoning change because a lot of people don't understand
agriculture. And since it's agriculture right now.
That is why I called the police car holding so when we wanted
to be consistent zoning is looking for consistency.
So so mean isn't about
what I want to see, but I don't want to see what used to be
there but the flooding might be does that mean it's about
consistency and we're surrounded by our one and were
kindly Nestle R one a. So the church's agriculture, the
person to our South is agriculture then
all the way around this is our one. So typically. It's like
for like an same size lots.
So the same density is that will be around us and it is
also the same time slots.
It is technically a rezone so they're not all
right.
>> Can you tell us if you've done any traffic studies along
Ronald Reagan or anything that's Cardinal talker.
>> Now the county Cody is 50 single down the residential 50
or less system MS. So I traffic study is not required.
That's County co that's not me that's not my Affleck and
that's not the owner that the county has.
>> Other questions of the applicant.
Was it so we have closed public. Can you talk just about
the results of your community meeting did the applicant make
any considerations or concessions to try to be a good
neighbor.
>> Sure that we talked to the commissioner staff they talked
about maybe adding like a bench to the on across the street.
I'm not sure that we I'm not sure that we really have
the military that since it's actually a public park and that
yeah they had a lot of issues and I drove out there and I
came I mean it's it's not a question of zoning by one of
them died. I definitely saw has been your attacker turning on
the Ronald Reagan for so much vegetation that's grown in that
property on the move North.
East, some on your left-hand side and it is you're saying
disability is not there that is something I advise them that
the community meetings to call the streets department to see
about that. So that is in I agree that is a dangerous when
you're trying to I come out of there you can see very far to
the left you can't turn my but you certainly don't want to
turn into a car there. You know, I'm sure the residents
that live out there no more than I do and they're saying
that there's a lot of cars traffic I I would believe them.
I'm sure there's a lot of speeding and they're all saying
that I'm sure it's true.
That is is something to get that different departments,
whether it's going for 4 summit on sheriff's office or the
streets department on some pothole issues. Those those are
those are issues for us that you know I can definitely see
that they've got some issues there and with good cause and I
mean I'm I know a lot of years I want to get into that iep
want to tell us to bed a 3 way stop are not going to those
that are entrance and Tucker cause. Stop signs or traffic,
calming. I know sometimes they're a nuisance and see a
lot of the young generation, my son, the term and those stop
signs, but they are forming traffic, calming. You know that
there's ideas that not that I'm not glad I'm here to hand over
the streets Department of Public works to do some more
traffic calming whether their speed bumps or what everything
say they can come up with 2 to help the residents out there.
You know it sounds like they've been battling with the county.
>> I was I was referring to something a little more
substantial than events though I was to maybe some of the
buffering or retaining walls that have been mentioned along
the south side are along the East Side along the South side.
>> And we can do retaining more about that there were actually
giving them right away to the parcels to the south which are
not part of the subdivision buffers that we're doing the
buffers whether required we're trying to save a lot of the
existing trees out there because it's it is heavily
wooded whatever is to.
>> The same zoning and the sings it the same density.
>> I was not required we do have some buffers that we're
proposing any way I was not required. I don't think a
whopper of the want and it's just a little institutional for
such a small property that we are definitely going to be
trying to keep some of the trees cancer, which acts as a
bathroom. We've got about for a long the church because the
code requires about for their code doesn't require it.
And you can see on the left side, maybe not.
It's not there. But on the West Side we've got a section there
that we're going to try to dedicate some shoe drainage and
some so they have the houses are going to fight.
The houses on the West Side. So we want to get out the air.
2 year do some additional training tradition to save some
additional trees.
Any other cause they beat me up over trees.
Questions the opposite.
Questions of staff, thank you.
Well, she's of staff.
>> I guess it's really going to come down to the traffic that
that's the biggest thing that I've heard on talk or if you've
driven that road I have driven that road.
It is a.
It's a tight little windy.
A busy road.
I mean maybe there's some proposal from the county to put
some you know speed.
Swells and there to slow traffic down some stop signs
along to their.
Well it definitely deter people from cutting through his if you
got to have a stop sign or your speed bumps then they're going
to
we're going to term
the Sanford city owns that part 2 she was talking about when
you come out of that is heavily would would you can't see.
Tucker, you know most zip tie because it's so would there
that's about the city of Sanford property. I believe
that's not the county.
>> That that's over to the private property actually is.
The Christian sharing Center incorporated.
It's a prototype commercial fleets about so the left hand
side if you're coming on the left side curtain that right
from the front. Well they can enforce them to clean the.
>> And if it's blocking traffic or blocking the view.
And is that County or city and looks like it city on this map.
So the city code enforcement can come out and have them kind
of I 2.
>> It's also.
>> Yeah, it turns it's a big family party that too.
But I mean it looks like it's more of a traffic's 18 houses
isn't going to change or the lifestyle, the the traffic
through there is something that needs to be
just by the county.
The roads that need to be improved there by the county
that that has been to the development.
>> Was asked about it funding could you speak to what our
options are with the county's options are to assist with
safety.
And the I already made comments for myself what was going to
the residence, n I tried to call it as you mentioned the
applicant.
We could possibly a little control way stops a talker and
wage drive and talk and drive and brown drive
which of the 2
closest to the to the new proposed development right you
can also put some spin bones.
We can look into that we can bring this up to the
the transportation division 2 to about a wait and see
what can be done about that
the roads and self I look into some data
prior to the meeting it seems like old these are so
resurfaced back in 2013 to about 10 years.
The last resurfacing was about
the original roads are built in 1960.
Most of that according to the data we have now.
The pavement condition index is pretty solid is the lowest one
I've seen it's like 86, which is still good.
Most of its 9293 94, maybe a few 90 but that pretty much
across the entire subdivision now there was one resident
mentioned something about potholes on that the other room
which is
and when they believe drive
that particular road was resurfaced in 2015.
So does the newest of all.
So that's the conditional to hold a public role. Again,
we understand the concern about the
coming out of talk or making a right turn even a left turn
there yet of his abilities.
It's critical there that's something we can we can talk to
probably should have sent for can see how they can force that
what I'm saying on the street view here and I don't know if I
can share is
there was some maintenance done I guess by
like probably about 3, 4, foot back.
To the power pole.
From the powerful actually on the backside but that's too.
No good now because the entire intersection is kind of planted
in the road is coming on a curve.
We're going to talk or so.
It is a challenge.
>> If these are options and would improve safety was there
any reason that they were included as part of the
consideration for the spike staffer.
>> This is a street rezoning so it's not something to do face
conditions upon if it were part of a planned development when
we could create conditions. But in this case these are
actions that the government needs to take in order to prove
it in some of the things can be required at the actual
subdivision process and part of the final engineering for the
acquired additional stop signs.
>> Will it be they'll be a new requirement for Street lighting
on and this particular subdivision.
>> Within the existing subdivision but not outside of
the.
>> Well no way in the new shot division will they have Street
lighting in there.
>> I'd have to defer to defer to the applicant to see if they
propose outdoor lighting site lighting.
>> You have any any plans to put side lighting.
Tree lighting.
Show you do plan on front Street lights or so at least
from some naval it out there was some pretty light.
I'd like to see and make sure that the county box up and do
something to stop the traffic problem that these folks are
having.
I don't think this 18 houses concrete. An additional issue
but I do think the issue that they have and needs to be
solved by the county and maybe if nothing else comes out of
this meeting tonight that the county will do something to
help you folks in charge of traffic to traffic.
Yes, we'll definitely look into those issues and concerns,
OK and everybody does understand this is just this is
just a zoning they should all have to come back with the
engineering and they have to do the rest of the project,
this is just a minor portion of the project show this is not
approving 18 how you tonight to see just a rezone.
>> And to that point doesn't can you give us a little
summary of what things were allowed to consider tonight,
given that it's just a rezone yes, generally it's the
compatibility with what surrounding as well as the the
evidence that's been presented by staff which is in their
staff report and so I think it's you know they've they've
got a litany of items that they have addressed and provided
analysis for you all, and that would be considered you know
the competent substantial evidence that you all would
have to base your decision on.
>> You might would instruct them that they also have the
BCC they have to go in front of any way. This is the best place
for them to bring up those concerns on the streets and the
in front of the county, I mean in the end of the county
Commission not us.
>> Yeah, yes, so if anybody is unaware about whatever
decisions made tonight is not final it will be heard and be
finalized by the decision of the Board of County
commissioners. So there will be another opportunity to go be
heard by the decision makers on
any or all of these concerns.
>> We notified the fees for first, for mention June
meeting.
About this.
It's not even aware.
>> So the first meeting I believe she's referencing is
the community meeting in the applicant's responsible for the
notification for that the county notifies for the
planning and zoning Commission and the Board of County
commissioners. So if you received a notice for this
meeting also received one from the board of County
commissioners.
>> And then that's going to be your best shot because they're
the one should make these decisions a day of the one
chicken fix the roads teases of those are the folks that can
take care of the traffic issue for you we really can always
call our power is is to approve a zoning.
>> All right if we're out of their statement we would have.
So as you can pad ability is there any board discussion.
Work session, the motion.
Additional questions staff.
>> I make a motion to recommend the Board of County
commissioners adopt the proposed ordinance enacting a
rezone of a one agriculture to R one single-family dwelling to
R one single field family dwelling for 6.3 3 acres
located west of Brewster court approximately 250 feet north of
all a couple of art.
>> Any comments are all in favor. Aye aye.
Us as players too so I encourage you to go before the
Board of County Commission and hold them accountable for some
of these issues that staff has said that the county could
thanks for you make safer.
This is also all on air and on the record so the commissioners
will also be able to review this tape.
Everything.
>> He said they want to pay moving on caring item number 2
this item was continued from the August 2nd.
You can see meeting. Years,
>> folks we have to keep moving the meeting so if you can
please talk outside we appreciate it, thank you.
So you got to read this whole thing to us.
I mean I didn't have to last water.
>> Land development code rewrite associated
comprehensive plan amendments present 5.
>> Good evening again for the record of economic development
services director. This item for your consideration is the
first reading of an ordinance amending the Seminole County
land development code and an ordinance amending the
introduction and future land use elements of the conference
of plan so the major effort here is amending the land
development code that we are also proposing an ordinance
that concurrent ordinance amending the conference of plan
because some of the changes in land development code and
necessitated changes in the conference of plan so they they
must be consistent.
So we are proposing
where vision is to chapter one general provisions chapter 5
administration chapter 35 subdivisions chapter 40 site
plan approval chapter 60 Arbor chapter, 80 construction and
we're proposing an entire repeal and replace of chapter 2
definitions and chapter 30 which are the zoning
regulations and the land development code.
So just by way of history Seminole County adopted the
first to land development code in 1960.
There are major updates in 1973 and again in 1980. The most
recent edition was codified in 2004 and since then we've had
15 supplements in 2009 staff began an effort to modernize
the land development code, however, that never was
formally adopted. So after.
After that we're giving direction by the Board of
County commissioners to again do some major updates the land
development code so in 2020 as part of the county's key
strategic plans, specific to growth management staff again
working with Kane and Associates now, Kim Lee horn to
draft a comprehensive rewrite to the land development code.
So this has been in process now for over 3 years.
So the process began with a review of current regulations
and a recommended strategy for the rewrite draft code
provisions were presented to the Seminole County Board of
County commissioners. The planning and zoning Commission
and to the public.
After numerous work sessions and public meetings we're now
ready to begin the final review and adoption of the code.
It begins tonight with the planning and zoning Commission
as in your capacity as a local planning agency to provide a
recommendation to the board the first reading of it winds and
transmit hearing for the Associated conference of plan
amendments will be on September 26th.
The second reading of the ordinance and adoption hearing
will likely be in early November.
The land development code rewrite has several goals
summer technical and include updating items that impact
day-to-day operations and modernizing the code.
The proposed revisions include a total reorganization of
chapter 30 of the zoning regulations, other changes are
more minister Ariel and include correcting typos and updating
titles. This rewrite also includes targeted updates to
address previously identified topics of concerns such as Kant
kennels parking requirements and truck parking in
residential areas.
This current land development code rewrite happened
concurrently with the envision Seminole 2045 effort and the
your report which is the evaluation and appraisal report
of the conference of plan. So likely following this much
we complete the air based amendments which will be before
you before the end of the year we anticipate that we will
probably likely have more updates to the land development
code so if there are additional changes that need to be made
that will be of other opportunities, other this
proposed ordinance
in addition to the technical revisions at the land
development code rewrite includes the development of new
standards as well, including the mixed use corridor district
missing middle housing, solar energy systems, civic assembly,
you standards, and tree planting requirements for
subdivisions
as well as a new regulations regarding mobile food vendors
at design standards for parking garages. EV and EV ready
parking standards and bicycle parking standards
the LDC rewrite also revises standards related to affordable
housing or regulations requirements to utilize Florida
friendly landscaping expanding role non-residential design
standards to major minor roadways within the eu's rule
area and reducing minimum living area for single-family
dwellings to allow for a mix of housing types
that was one of the efforts from the affordable housing
strategic plan it was a recommendation that
jurisdictions either eliminate minimum housing size or reduce
minimum housing size and so through work sessions with the
board and there was consensus to reduce minimum housing
sizes.
We are also proposing to update open-space regulations to
include a revised definition of cluster and provide
clarification regarding cluster subdivisions in the Maciver
River protection area.
We are also proposing more revisions to the Custer
subdivision regulations
within the year based amendments that will be before
you shortly.
In addition, the definition of developable area has been
clarified to have the same meaning as net developable
acreage
the most substantial changes in the propose rewrite heart
within chapter 30 zoning, although the tractor has been
totally reorganized most items remain unchanged. The updates
include removing repetition by consolidating items, including
a few stable. This is a replacement of the existing
pyramid structure which and within huge is owning district
there are a list of permitted uses a special exception uses
and they would refer back to the other zoning districts is
AC 3 C 3 wood refer back to permitted uses of in C 2 C one.
So you had had a pyramid effect and she always had to reference
back to the previous zoning districts. This proposed
rewrite actually creates a permitted use table so that you
can go to a city specific use and it will tell you what
zoning districts is permitted in North it's a special
exception, so it's a little more user friendly. For staff
and and for for citizens.
So if that staff recommends that the planning and zoning
Commission recommended the Board of County commissioners
adopt
upon first reading an ordinance amending chapter one general
provisions chapter 5 administration chapter 35
subdivisions chapter 40 site plan approval chapter 60 Arbor
and chapter, 80 construction and repeal and replace chapter
2 definitions and tractor 30 zoning
at the Seminole County land development code and transmit
an ordinance amending the introduction and future land
use element of the comprehensive plan without that
concludes my presentation of the happy to answer any
questions.
>> I have one question I was I would I didn't have a lot of
time on this because I didn't have you know, I know it came
out last month.
But I was looking under just standing down here and I notice
a self storage facilities.
What we see are you know who was owning on self storage,
I know we you know we put that to one 2.
What do you want to spring on touch screen door
and I know they're going in you know prime property John Cornyn
the age of 1792 and so on so forth.
But now I see the short of classified as a contractor's
equipment storage yard. So what was a clue. What was the zoning
prior to the south.
In the current land development because.
>> So storage is not listed as a specific use week. We would
classify them as a warehouse and so they were only permitted
with in the C 3 zoning district which requires industrial
future land use so a lot of times when we've had developers
an applicant's do is propose them as a planned development.
So they had industry a future land use. You can se three-oh
name or you can develop him as a planned development there was
some discussion with the 4 County commissioners at the
various workshops that we had with him if we wanted to expand
the allowable zoning to search for self storage and allow them
in C 2 and C one the certain with certain conditions and
design criteria and we in Steph has given direction to to leave
self storage as currently permitted within industrial and
C 3 and then developers always have the option to propose a
plan development.
>> Yeah, because I mean that obviously it's a huge business
right now with all the apartments and the smaller side
jobs being built self storage.
>> Things could be popping up everywhere. It is and there.
But there was concern from the board and from citizens about
allowing a self storage adjacent to residential areas
and so they wanted to be controlled through the plan
development process.
Okay, so they still have the option. Yes okay, all right.
You mentioned changes to definitions of things like
cluster subdivisions that we had
come before us and the questions recently can you the
give us a little bit more information about what that
definition is being proposed and what it's being change from
sure so currently there was concern from the public at the
work sessions we've had in the community means we had related
to has developments where they're required to have a
cluster subdivision but it really wasn't in the press or
configuration there wasn't it and very defined area of
conservation or preservation area. And so
the community assets and the and the board agreed to revise
our definition more in line with the American planning
Association definition of cluster. So that's what we're
proposing and it's a were so there's wording in there about
intermittent open-space areas and about conserving land it's
not about increasing density but minimizing infrastructure
so that you can preserve a more open space.
>> That that's a tough one because I read to that document
from the American planning and I was amazed at how many
configurations of clusters and how many definitions of
questions are actually was.
>> Weeks and exactly and that's the issue that we try to
explain to some of the citizens that not all Custer
subdivisions are going to look the same it really depends on
if you're trying to protect protect like environmentally
sensitive area. You may cross are all the homes on the West
side of the property and then all and then the East side of
the property over just be completely vacant. I know a lot
of the public what they would like to see is that the interim
in open spaces it again that may not present. World center
area and that extends your your infrastructure and actually
impact can impact that the land even more yeah just really
depends what you're trying to protect.
The questions of staff.
>> Here's what you can maybe give an overview of summarize.
You mentioned the that they're changing the minimum
requirements for for housing. And you kind of specifically
mentioned as it relates to affordable housing and you can
kind of give an overview of what some of those changes are.
>> Sure certain some of the zoning districts, instead of
having 1100 square foot or 500 square-foot been on how size
we've gone down to 700 square feet middle class size and then
in some of the other districts where we already had a 700 with
a minimum House sizes were going down to 400 square foot
minimum House sizes.
>> Is that going to open up for short a tiny home subdivision
just shot where we're going.
>> I mean it could however because the lot a lot sizes are
still required to be the same size and the app so it be a
large lot for small House reality, I don't really see
that happening where because the land costs are too high.
But at least by having the housing sizes so much smaller
than you there's more flexibility therefore builder
what we had an individual site.
>> I was just going to ask what the purpose was a changing one
of the other.
Why not change to the lot size if we're making the requirement
for houses 400 square feet. Well that's just a minimum they
can still do have larger.
>> And then we also are adding them to the missing middle
housing. So that we can have more housing typology ease with
in the certain single-family residential zoning districts.
So the density is still remaining the same, but they'll
be opportunities to you know to do duplexes and triplexes or
cottage courts.
Commissioner Smith, you have a question.
>> I was going to chance your question on why the lot size
didn't cannot really I'm just trying to envision really a
case where we we want want to build a 400.
>> Any be where it could be someone that has just an
individual lot it's not a new subdivision and say they just
have an individual tract of land a parcel that zoned R one
A and they won and they may be one of the 1000 square-foot
home and before they would have been required to do you know
1200 square foot home or 1400 square foot home.
>> Was there any consideration given to a tiny home type
subdivision.
>> Sure and currently you can propose a tiny homes of
division within the plan development. There's no
specific zoning district that would
allow a tiny home community, but it's something if you know
depending on the future land use designation the property
because he joined us just urban control, the density and then
you could do have the zoning for you to the PD process as
long as they conform to the Florida building code and they
have foundations men that they could be that otherwise they're
considered a mobile home mobile home right, yeah, okay.
>> Have there been any discussions at all and regards
to.
And while Sweden's.
>> So we do currently allow accessory dwelling units within
our single-family residential zoning districts so so they are
permitted use already was in the land development code that
was one of the changes that we made previously based on
our affordable housing, strategic plan.
>> About the height requirements of of the
buildings, any changes there at all or no question that they're
right.
>> I read about of
tree conservation and change is a state that can you describe
that for us and what the
what specifically the differences and we're doing
that 25% conservation of trees so far.
>> Yes, currently and under the site plan regulations you
cannot we removed more than 75% of the trees on site of the
protected trees, so you're are wired to be to retain 25%
percent of the trees. There is some flexibility built in the
code. That's and can be waived by staff if it makes it to you
too burdensome and just makes unrealistic. So we're adding
that same provision to the subdivision regulations that
the goal is to try to retain the 25% of the existing trees.
We've also added requirements and subdivision regulations
that each lot be required to the developer for each line new
subdivisions be required to plant 2 trees.
That once the property owner buys a lot of moves and
technically, they invest or some sort of deed restriction
built and they can technically remove those trees, but we're
hoping that a lot of times residents will leave the trees
rather than remove them. But we know that will be a
100%.
I am.
>> I guess just where you know where my mind goes without is
I'm not entirely sure how burdensome that is now in terms
of on the developer cider.
I know for property rights of the owners of parcels that are
being developed whether they require to plan now.
>> You're required to do replacement trees for any trees
that you are proposing to remove we do have are facing a
ratio requirements and a lot of most developers will provide
those in common areas, likely buffered tracks or and the
common open space or their leave a tree preservation area.
And so in addition to that replace or Pirates or any
buffering requirements within planned development we are
proposing to that the developers be required to plant
2 trees on the property which is pretty common practice in
Los Angeles landscape packages with the new developments.
However, as you know that state law does not it. If the tree is
and dying diseased it. Yeah, it is a danger to restructure.
The property owner is able to take out that tree without a
permit.
And we had in fact arcade needs Epps properties and right now
less than 5 acres and we're changing that are exempting
properties 3 acres, us.
>> So 2 trees though the probe was I mean the more trees are
less OK so the more trees, the last houses, the less size
right.
>> Certain, the the trees said they're required to plant new
trees, so if you can have a 20 lot subdivision when they when
the builder you know puts the House on that was that will be
required to plant 2 trees on that law.
>> Has anything changed with the protected because that's
the key were there to write. Yes, what is protected first,
I mean I can level something this nothing is protected.
>> Yes, so within the definitions section. So we have
we have a historic trees and we have so what are what we define
as a tree year, but the bear with me I can go to the
definitions section.
But you're saying something has changed in what was protected.
Well, we've added have more protections and we've added
hire replacement standards okay. And the other thing we
have done also is currently in our fund. It's the way it's
written in the code is so that if you had an Arbor violation
then you could it's a fine was imposed for that are violating
you could pay into the harbor fund. But we've rate rewritten
it so that if the development is not able to meet their
trainer placement requirements that they can once they've made
an effort to we planned on the property of their just
physically isn't enough room to planned inches that are
required for replacement they can pay and Arbor fund
the form of mitigation
we some yes
that answer my questions, thank you. So it's
so historic trees are protected.
Sorry for everything from one 2nd Sir.
I'm disappointed you don't have that memorized.
>> Haha.
>> So protected trees any existing tree with a minimum 6
inches Dbh on the approved plant species list or the
Florida friendly landscaping guide families for the central
Florida region and appropriate USDA plant hardiness zone.
So unless exempted all of these trees are subject to a tree
removal permit per chapter 16.
So what would be considered the start treaty, start treaty me
back.
We should make a guess first I got to be careful to 30 over on
certain types of trees and I think it's the 36 inches.
That's a that's a change care is it that's calhan get you
there was originally 24 inches.
So okay so historic tree is in the live oak bald Cypress for
long leaf, pine 36 inches or greater deviations determined
by Seminole County to be of such unique and in terms of
value to the general public because of its size age
historic Association for ecological value as to justify
this classification prior to removal of any live. Bald
Cypress or longleaf pine 36 inches or greater to gauge
report from a certified arborist must be submitted
detailing the condition of the tree. If the condition of the
tree has a rating over 3 or above the tree must be
inspected by the natural resource officer prior to
removal any tree designation for Florida State champion.
Joe likewise be within this any tree designated as a Florida
State champion. So like was be within this definition.
With any other questions of staff
was in and just to reiterate this up first reading of the
ordinance and the transmittal of the ordinance to amend the
conference of plan so we will have another opportunity to you
have a chance to
review in more depth we can address any questions between
now and the second reading and addresses questions at the next
meeting.
>> I just have one final question. You mentioned the
change in the definition to that to develop mobile area.
Can you describe what the scope of that change was.
>> So that was related to calculating open space and
making sure that the open space calculation had the same
definition as a the definition to actually calculate their
density or your F a r we kept going.
>> And we have a motion or board discussion.
And discussions motion.
>> I make a motion to recommend the Board of County
commissioners adopt upon first reading an ordinance amending
chapter one general provisions chapter 5 administration
chapter 35 subdivision chapter for the site plan approval Shep
to 60 are were chapter a deconstruction and a repeal and
replace of chapter 2 definitions.
And Jeff to 30 years owning of the Seminole County land
development code entrenchment an ordinance amending the
introduction and future land use element of the conference
of plan to state and regional review agencies.
>> We have a second second all in favor aye.
The motion carries thank you very much you, you have any
other any other items for us tonight. But nothing other than
I think you are where the very most this is leaving us she is
moving to Savannah Georgia. So unfortunately last month
this her last a month before you. She worldview the county
until the end of the month, but she won't be of any future
planning and zoning Commission meeting so I will be attending
in presenting until we are able to hire replacement we are in
the process of setting up interviews. So keeping our
fingers crossed for that will be a loss and it will miss her
if you would never expect that to her husband never
opportunities. Goodbye. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sorry to lose or
but I think it's it's a good opportunity for her and just
going to really nice city so she is in business.
>> So