>> The,
>> 2, 2, 2,
>> Will.
>> The 2 o'clock hour so ask everyone to please find a seat
if you haven't already and wrap up any conversations you maybe
haven't. I've said that I can go ahead and call to order our
Seminole County Board of County commissioners meeting for
7/25/2023.
Today we have leading us and our invocation passed a
chaplain Dan Royer I meet those 3.60 if you at all please.
Stand for the invocation latch.
Was pretty.
>> 30's on the road grateful to you for this opportunity to be
here today, we asked your blessings upon this assembly,
yes, your guidance, your wisdom insight into we try to issues
that are the preserve in Florida just to draw these
folks together as they consider each one of the aspects that's
before them and give them wisdom and
good insight. Teach matter for to crest and we pray Amen.
>> But Jeff is joining in the fletch as one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you. We have a proclamation and 3 resolutions
on our agenda this morning and for those of you who may not
have been here in the past when we have done these we will each
commissioner who has a proclamation a resolution to
present we'll do that we well and then let whoever the
recipient is of that proclamation come forward if
they would like to say a few words at the podium, and if you
would go back and take your seat will go on to the next
proclamation at the end. We'll have everyone take
pictures and and then you are either free to go about your
day or you can stay for the rest of our fabulous meeting
it's up to you.
First proclamation today is our veteran of the month.
>> Commissioners, I move the following proclamation of the
Seminole County Board of County commissioners recognizing
United States Navy Petty Officer Richard waters for his
outstanding service to the United States and Seminole
County.
Whereas the brave men and women of our army Navy Marines Air
Force Coast Guard and space force we demonstrate a resolute
spirit and unmatched selflessness reminding us there
are few things more American than giving of ourselves to
make a difference in the lives of others
and whereas throughout our country's history. Generations
of service members have answered the call to leave
their families their jobs and put their futures and even
their lives on the line.
2 valiantly defend our nation. And whereas for many service
members. The sacrifice has ended in permanent injury or
death yet their spirit remains in the continued preservation
of our freedoms and the promise of Liberty.
And whereas there are more than 30,000 living veterans in
Seminole County who served our nation in times of peace and
war through their service they kept America strong and whereas
Petty officer Richard waters enlisted in the Navy in March,
1969 and served until January 1973 and whereas Petty officer,
Richard water served on board, the USS Oklahoma City. Clg dash
5 with a combat deployment to the waters off Vietnam.
Following that deployment, he served at the antartica support
activity. The site of the South pole.
Karen numerous medals, including the National defense
service medal, the Vietnam service medal. He had non
campaign medal Republic of Vietnam armed forces
meritorious unit citation with gallantry cross
and the antartica service medal
and whereas Petty officer Richard waters moved to Oviedo
in 1997 where he enjoyed a long career in telecommunications,
including the establishment of the First Call center to the
Internet
since his retirement in 2009. He's been actively involved in
the community volunteering with birds of prey. The special
Olympics Olympics and habitat for humanity and whereas Petty
officer Richard waters has brought great credit and
distinction upon himself, the United States of America.
The United States Navy and Seminole County. Now therefore
be it proclaimed that we the Board of County commissioners
of Seminole County Florida express our gratitude and
admiration and respect for Petty officer Richard waters
for his outstanding service to the United States Navy and
residents of Seminole County it further proclaimed that this
proclamation is presented to Petty officer Richard waters
along with our sincere congratulations and recognition
is Seminole counties. Veteran of the month adopted the 25th
day of July 2023 seconds.
>> There's a motion by commissioner her second by
commissioner zembower any discussion all those in favor
say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously.
And the officer waters if you come down to the podium,
we would love to hear a few words from you.
>> I just I especially want to hear about and our haha
it was a great pet, but more of 1970. Haha thank you all very
much for this either and I don't want to sound corny but
I'd like to have that for everyone in Seminole County the
men and women who served and especially for those that have
given the ultimate sacrifice. Everybody deserves S and as of
yet that most of us it can get it. So
and with the Antarctic. It was the best place I was ever a but
I spent 3 months in triple army hospital chasing a Penguin.
My knee. Here I was in my hometown of like the guy
because I was at the South pole where their count lags and the
next thing here is I'm in the hospital because I got beat up
by a Penguin baha thank you very much.
Serve,
>> I'm going to move the following resolution of the
Seminole County Board of County commissioners recognizing marry
my there's manager of the comptroller's office for 30
years of service to Seminole County government and its
citizens. Whereas Mary Myers, his serve Seminole County its
citizens and residents with a high level of integrity
professionalism and dedication during approximately 30 years
of employment and the Seminole County clerk's office and
whereas Mary Myers began her career as the deputy clerk and
the civil domestic division and the office of the clerk of the
circuit Court on 1/4/1993.
She later transferred to the comptroller's office formerly
County finance on 2/14/2000 during her tenure in the
comptroller's office misses Myers was promoted to manager
of the comptroller's office formerly the finance manager.
And whereas Mary Meyer served as manager of the comptroller's
office to the Board of County commissioners for the clerk of
the circuit court and comptroller Marianne Moore's
from 1993 to 2016, and clerk of the circuit court and
comptroller Grant Malloy from 2017 to the present and whereas
Mary Myers has received numerous prices over the years
from citizens and county employees. She is respected and
appreciated by the employees at the clerk's office, the Board
of County commissioners and all constitutional officers and
whereas Mary Myers established and maintained a positive
working relationship and a high degree of integrity for the
clerk's office, the Board of County commissioners and all
constitutional officers and whereas the clerk of the
circuit court and comptroller and the Board of County
commissioners are desiring to express their appreciation and
acknowledgment on behalf of the citizens of Seminole County and
wish to commend Mary Myers for her conscientious and faithful
service upon her retirement. Now therefore be it resolved by
the Board of County commissioners of Seminole
County Florida that upon adoption of this resolution,
it here by cause the same to be spread upon the official
minutes of the Board of County commissioners and appreciation
of service to the citizens and residents of Seminole County by
Mary Myers as manager of the comptroller's office from
areas, 30 years of service be it further resolved that this
resolution be presented to marry along with our most
sincere best wishes for continued good health and
happiness and the pursuit of her future endeavors adopted
this 25th day of July 2023. There's a motion and a second
all those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously Mary I am so proud of you.
>> Well, I'm a woman of very few words so thank you very
much.
>> I had the privilege of working with married for many
years as a county employee and just so enjoyed her
steadfastness and the fact that she could always be counted on
him and there is always a question or concern and
something you knew Mary was your person. She was study like
a rock so Mary you're going to be missed tremendously. I wish
you the best much love to you and your family for here today
with you so when you when it's time to do pictures please feel
free to bring your family with you as well right.
Thank you very much. Next resolution is recognizing Jeff
Hopper for his dedicated service to the county and the
citizens of this County.
>> Thank you madam chair, it's my pleasure to enter this
resolution the Seminole County Board of County commissioners
recognizing, Jeff Hopper principal planner development
services for 22 years of dedicated to come animal
service to Seminole County government and its citizens
was just hop around July 3120 23 will completed over 22 years
of dedicated. And commendable service to Seminole County and
its citizens and whereas Jeff Perez serve Seminole County
government since 7/1/2001 of the positions, a planner senior
planner principal planner and undertaken expanding
responsibilities with each promotion
was Jeff hoppers principal player provide the integral
role supervisor of the long-range planning team and
offered his team outstanding leadership and mentorship
and where the Jeff operates service leadership roles were
freshman was dedication and commitment
was Jeffs Hopper has contributed to significant
regulation change and amendments to the Seminole
County land development code specifically part 67 landscape
screening and buffering as well as updates to the Seminole
County comp plan
and was Jeff Hopper will be missed by his fellow employees
for a sharp with the good sense of humor and whereas the Board
of County commissioners of Seminole County wishes to
express its appreciation of Jeff offer on behalf of the
staff and citizens of Seminole County for his dedicated
service and commitment Seminole County.
Now therefore be it resolved that the street on a resolution
to be presented to Jeff Hopper along with our sincere
congratulations and best wishes for future prosperity adopted
this 25th day of July 2023.
>> Second there's a motion by commissioner zembower second by
commissioner dallari going to split this when we all time
we're just going to slit down the
all those in favor say aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously Mister Hopper congratulations.
>> Thank you that's a really good.
I hope it's all true.
I applied for a job here in 1991. And didn't get hired.
I tried again 10 years later.
And that time it worked.
In between I had a couple of other positions and other
places.
I was able to learn a lot of good
knowledge and you know things that I can bring with me and I
was able to
bring some improvements to your coach and your policy long way
that's been what's most gratifying to me.
I would like to thank
we're back a hammock and Mary Moscowitz for being a little
bosses.
I'd like to thank my friends in the planning division
for being such good friends and colleagues I'd like to thank
you all for the organization.
That's my speech haha
I think we would also want to thank
Mister Hopper for the the endless times you spent out in
the community, a community meetings on behalf of the of
the county that speaks volumes of of your willingness to work
with citizens. So thank you very much.
>> Our next resolution is recognizing Darrell light for
his 35 years of service to Seminole County.
>> Thank you madam chair, before it gets started it says
a lot about this County when you have an individual. But
Mary 30 years, Jeff 22 years in a barrel as 35 years. We have
so many wonderful County employees and it's it's nice to
see them
go to their whole career here in Seminole County.
We have a lot to be thankful for
not only do we get to know them not only they have played an
important role.
In shaping this County for the future.
Their families are also part of it so we have a lot to be
thankful for
for such wonderful people that work for the county.
With that madam chair of resolution.
Both the Seminole County Board of County commissions, Rick to
ration their right.
Team leader public works department first 35 years of
service to Seminole County government and the citizens.
The right has began his career in Summit County maintenance
worker on 10/24/1988, in the room just don't want to
division of public works
and was promoted to this summit report for 8/1/1991 and was
promoted to senior team member on 1/6/1998 and then was
promoted to team leader on 2/1/1999
was promoted to various assignments.
For his public works was there a way to shown exceptional
dedication willingness
to accept every role and responsibility given to him
is known for providing exceptional customer service to
his fellow employees as well as the citizens Seminole County
has been recognized for his dedication professionalism
by his peers.
Seminole County. The citizens of highest level of the charity
dedication experience for 35 years, Joe writers chose to the
tire was active.
8/3/2023 in was Board of County commissioners Seminole County
wishes to express their appreciation for their wedding
behalf of the staff says is a Seminole County for his
dedication to the job.
Now therefore be it resolved that the board of County
commissioners knowledge and appreciation to service
provided to Seminole County but I commend him for his
dedication and commitment to do a position. It further resolved
that this resolution we presented our way along a
sincere congratulations we're condition best wishes for each
prosperity presented on this 25th day July 2023.
>> Sex act as a motion by commissioner dallari second by
commissioner Constantine all those in favor say aye I posed
the question passes unanimously Mister white.
>> He's making a statement that we're in show. I love the way
is
first of all like to thank God for.
>> Give me the script
to do what it is.
We also want to
thank all of you,
we'll have enough facts,
especially
just missed his career.
She's save me.
>> And meet with me.
I'd also like to thank the guys.
You.
>> Commissioner would like to be recognized. Thank you I I
just want to point out that 99% of the time, it's Mister weight
saving us haha he has a done a considerable amount of his time
in district 5 we are eternally grateful to you I have learned
a significant amount from listening to you at those
meetings
and we will forever be thankful so we appreciate you.
>> I think what we'll do. Commissioner says go ahead and
go down and take some pictures with these last 4 agenda items
and then come back and hear from the county investment
advisor great.
>> As Mister Macintyre makes his way down.
I know that some of you are here
where is Mister mcintyre virtual today is better is
he's.
I know some of you are here because you're interested in an
item that's going to be a part of the county manager's report
this afternoon. We will take public comment on the county
manager's report directly after the county manager's report.
So if there are other things related to public comment that
you would like to make. You can do that during the public
comment, I'm just so you know there are some questions about
that someone touched down. Mister mcintyre.
>> Thank you very much time is flying these days it seems like
it was just here.
When I was here the last I was here, you guys asked me to
comment on the policy implications of House bill 3
not House bill 3 itself, but just how it's going to affect
policy and investments. It was passed into law in May in its
most basic form or fitness consideration of environmental
social governance factors and invested in conservative
decisions by state and local government since world down to
that as much as you can boil it down and the decisions made by
Seminole County are transparent. Obviously that's
why we do this in front.
And everything is just this is worth in bed with the policy
and there are red and policies for investments that they're
followed decisions focus on safety principle in the
quantity of diversification yield the expected future cash
flows.
The county to Selfridges corporate bonds it does not
invest in mutual funds or etfs so as result. ESG factors do
not enter the equation.
So we did.
But a very small piece into the policy that did basically is
intended to recognize House bill 3.
And yeah, I know this is this is very short intended to be
and what it will say is that the county will not consider
environmental social and governance factors in the best
decision making process as simple as it can get.
So from that step away from that real briefly and make this
pretty sure that the Fed needs today tomorrow they're going
make another announcement they probably should not raise rates
by another quarter, but they're going to do it anyway. And part
of that is because pet speakers 10 days before the meeting get
the opportunity to stand up and speak wherever they need to
speak and if you sort of deal. Count of the flu said what when
sounds like they're going to move forward and leave real fix
process. They did this could very well be the last and one
thing that I want to point out of saying it's really important
is even though they raise the overnight rate that doesn't
mean that rates out on the curve are going to move up they
can very easily move downward.
And the last Bloomberg economists forecast that came
out showed that without exception the nation's con us
believe that the I'm going to take on the two-year Treasury
know you but is expected to move down. We're pretty sharply
over the course the next 6 quarters.
And now wrist don't represent who thinks the Fed being done.
After the death of hiking rates at some point they start to cut
rates. We don't know when that will be but the market goes
into space that before the Fed actually does anything that on
top of that inflation is actually behaving. You know,
at least on paper it is.
So it's very briefly a graph showing the green line is the
year-over-year
consumer price index and it actually got down to 3%.
And a year ago June it was 9.1% that was he doing I want to
caution everybody one is the idea that last June energy
prices are elevated in July August of last year in energy
prices were flat. So the heavy lifting is done and it wouldn't
be a big surprise to me I don't know if the market will be
surprised or not but it would be a big surprise if when the
next to CPI reports came out the market just sort of
I'm shocked instead of the same things continue to go down it
would be surprised to see that headline move. Still high for a
few months.
So we're not quite out of the woods yet but the market of
course could see in front of these type thing so
it is the enormous this all the time, but this crash the lines
represent the past meetings and where the yields were so right
now at this point in time, you know to higher than they were
but if you went back a week they be lower if you go back a
couple days or a couple days for or they could be lower
still very very volatile market, we know fortunate in
the investments that we managed
maybe Biden looked to some pretty good spots I Basin we're
testing the market was very cooperative. So I show you what
that looks like.
But before that there's an upcoming investments, the
cheering and the maturities that are coming off now are
ones that were invested in the right environment, so they're
coming off a very low yields in as much as anything else that
going forward is going to want a boost in the overall
portfolio yield.
So you can see there's can barely read out, but very very
low yields that are going to be gone replaced with much higher
us some recent investments that were made between the last
meeting and now there's a poem term investment was down 5.98,
we've sort of popped up. And we hit that one also
invested out into August of 2025 so little longer than 2
years 2 years in a couple months.
I expected that was going to be closer for 50 turned out
without a discounted call though that was it 5.14.
So so those have both help quite a bit recommended
purchases you've got some got some spending is that you're
doing so despite the fact that there were quite a few that are
a mature he's come down the pike we did we invest all of
that or do they tend to reinvest all that I'm not
asking that that be reinvested in
this motion that will ask for here in a second, but another
10 million is home term which is basically a a.
It's a pool of investments that's done PF them and gets us
bank is responsible for that we had at 1.3 significant portion
of the fully let some of those move downward just kind of 2
reduce the overall risk when we move more into Treasuries and
agencies and now I feel like we've got some room there.
He is he's a pretty attractive to 10 million there now a year
to lock it in hoping somewhere in the neighborhood of 5.80 and
then another 10 million going out further I'd like to add a
couple years on that looks like we can still get pretty close
to 5%. I'm sure will be really happy about those longer ones
that we're putting on when we get to the spring of next year.
So
this basically shows you look at the blocks I know there's a
lot here but look at the right here inside the
average yield as of the end of June was 4.23 D average yield
at the end of this month and a couple of days will be 4.41 as
some of those short
maturity Zucker we're going to see that continue to move up.
In the coming months as we roll into the fall.
So
taking up a lot of time at this point.
>> We want to ask for motion or so I think the chairman to do
that. What I'll do first is ask any of my colleagues if they
have any questions send them in any further any questions the
commission now
I do want to recognize that we have Mister not in here on the
dice with us today on behalf of the Clark, so welcome. What we
would love to welcome you every week every time we made that a
good to have you here again right.
>> Madam chair, yes, I move to implement the recommendations
our financial advisor based on the reports of minutes a day
and recommend the clerk implement said board
recommendation second.
>> Motion commissioner zembower second from commissioner all
those in favor say aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously.
Thank you all thank you safe travels home.
As we moved to the consent agenda. I want I will read the
public
regarding public first participation for the consent
agenda. But I do want to just point out we do have items on
the consent agenda for which you may fill out a form and
speak so if you are someone who is here who would like to speak
on the consent agenda item please make sure that that form
as turned into a miss KENS sitting at the front looking at
farms, okay because we will be taking that comment. Shortly.
So pursuant to Florida law the public has a right to be heard
on all propositions except when the Board of County
commissioners is acting on ministerial or emergency
matters or conducting a meeting exempt from section 2 86.0 1,
1, Florida statutes,
public comment time on a me on proposition Shelby 3 minutes
for individuals and 6 minutes for group representatives
assuming that the others who would be a part of that group
are waiving their right to speak. The right to be heard
during quasi judicial hearings is governed by Florida law.
The public will be provided the opportunity to be heard on non
agenda matters at the end of the meeting proper decorum will
be observed in accordance with the operating policies and
procedures of the Seminole County Board of County
commissioners section 2.1 7, 5, public participation before the
board comments shall be limited to the subject being considered
by the board all public comments shall avoid personal
attacks, abusive language and redundancy disrespectful rude
irrelevant or slanderous remarks or disruptive behavior
may subject to the individual to removal from the board
chambers, the chairman curtail repetitious comments and again
if you are here to speak on non agenda item that is a part of
the county manager's report we will do that before the public
participation at the very end of the meeting so we're we're
pivoting here a little bit.
The
consent agenda. That's before us today is my number 6 to 19
is there a motion or does anyone have an item they'd like
to pull.
>> They haven't I don't ask the county manager's any any
changes that no changes to the my consent agenda. Move
approval consented to a second.
>> There's a motion by commissioner Constantine a
second by commissioner zembower any discussion
all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously.
Winter and it was so big public comment. I'm so sorry I didn't
I didn't call for it because she didn't say there was any
and so my apologies is there anyone here who neglected to
fill out a form who wanted to speak on any of the items on
the consent agenda.
Wisconsin, I would do a mental telepathy haha all right.
Thank you.
Our regular agenda item is item number 20. MR.
>> Madam chair, I move approval, constitutional
officers consent agenda.
>> And that's items. 1819 is that no item 9.19 item 19 is
the motion is there a second. We said all those in favor say
aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously unanimously
thank you charity.
Okay, so
my apologies, regular agenda item Mister decks.
>> Thank you commissioners to of the Jets with the Office of
management budget just in compliance with the truth in
millage requirements, the purpose of item number 20 this
to establish the fiscal year 24 proposed millage rates and said
the date time and location of the first public hearing to
adopt the FY 24 budget.
County staff help for work sessions of the board recently
delivered the county manager's proposed budget on July 14th,
which it seems the same millage rates as the prior year for all
3 taxing districts.
The proposed a great showing here are 4.8 7, 5, 1, Mills for
the general fund 2.7 6, 4, 9, Mills for the fire district and
0.1 1, 0, $7, for the Rose district.
The aggregate rate of 6.8 8, 6, 1, Mills is 9% above the
aggregate rollback rate of 6.3 1, 7, 8, miles that would
generate the same revenue was the prior year excluding new
construction.
This slide shows our millage this tree rates have remained
unchanged for the last 7 years and the general fund millage in
green has been changed since 2011 and remains lower than the
rates approved in 1990.
In addition, we request the board said the first public
hearing for Tuesday September 12 at 05:30PM here in the BCC
chambers.
The second public hearing was scheduled for Tuesday September
26 at 05:30PM
that concludes my presentation and I'm here to answer any
questions. Thank you so much any questions for Mister Jax
they're a motion.
>> I'm sorry is there anyone who would like to speak on the
track.
Mister Hart. Welcome.
This is the our annual visit from you.
The last few months, I've been having some medical issues but
with them now all right well before you start on that could
you give us your name and address for the record and you
have to be on your best 1004.
>> After a drive, one of our Florida zones like to say
that's the Seminole County for with the mailing address as
somebody who's always been there for him.
>> 40 or 50 years every year gets bigger, we have more
people to serve in the county and show some of the figures of
what is the 487,000 people you know I was here when this
County had a population of 25,000 so we can imagine when
things are right from years ago today in discussions that
discussion with glacier Dolly polar enemy about fire trucks
and they're they've gone up in price takes time to get.
Now that this County has any budget item that it costs less
today than it did a few years ago in this County has always
run tight budgets that was inside the home and for me you
are sitting on the board. And I've always liked what
they've done and we saw the other words people how they
stay with the county and years of service and we have to keep
up with the growth in this area, even if we do
we still have to write for the infrastructure, you should
maybe her from years past. Because it.
Well my subdivision I was here for here in a few months ago
where the station was 50 years old which is the same time
other than the subdivision and they have jobs data because it
can get hard to get a new one so that's not just with Russia
and the station, but what your parks and Recreation water
sewer etcetera so there's always a cost and I know
nothing less today than it was years ago, is what it's always
been tight and there's some stuff on that board that's been
there. It was every station 39, I was so that only the private
Web site. More than 2010. So it's 13 years, it's been on
the on the proposal and why hasn't been because it's not
just serving the people that I know you're you're working on
it just saying so many things have been on the books for
years that we need to keep moving on to keep up with
everything coach. What you do is going to cost us more in the
long run and it is taking care of our regular basis
to maintain the millage rollbacks and they're like that
when they did it because I never asked that had business
people say the group should roll back the REGS and I says
OK you let your age for your auto repair service or whatever
them they say no because
pay more for the part that I did a few years ago so the
government is just like any business and I know the
structure by the fire trucks. I think what they're million
dollars now for a number and I remember back in the 70's when
a $50,000. So I just think about it. Remember to call used
to be a county engineer here I used to love it when I go to
hearings on road construction, we used to say when he first
started use a crowbar million for him one mile road used to
cost back when he started when he was leaving some 25 or 30
years later it was to arrive times the amount just because
of cost of materials and stuff that had to be done on the road
so maintain the militia maintaining infrastructure know
many of you know that for me over the years thank you.
>> Thank you. Mister pre she being here.
So now.
Commissioners and our.
>> Thank you madam chair, I move that we
maintain the total rate mill of 7.7 5 '07 for first public
hearing on 9 1220 23 at 5 32nd public hearing at 9 2623 at
05:30PM.
>> Madam chair I will second that with the idea of that
everybody should know that this keeps us at the lowest ever get
tax rate in the region.
>> So the motion by commissioner zembower a second
by commissioner Constantine all those in favor say aye any
opposed motion passes unanimously.
Mister great you have several things to report on I would I'd
like to ask that we take care of the parking signs for stuff
we cover absolutely.
>> Thank you, madam chairman and commissioners I actually
have just 3 items for you to to discuss with you under my
report today, the sex was supposed to be a short meeting
just approved the military. So I'm glad everyone is here.
I'm the first one is a no parking signs on Brett for wood
Avenue. I know, madam chairman you have brought this up at
least once or twice at the board meeting so. Last year we
actually installed the no parking signs at the request of
the sheriff's office Summerlin Avenue
that about is in May about a month and a half ago there was
really a complaint on the legality of that
we had to remove those we got with our County Attorney's
Office and research that and basically what it comes down to
is that the board of County commissioners needs to approve
this. We are working in the meantime on the coach ange so
when it comes to public safety, especially of this when the
sheriff is requesting that that we can handle it through our
carpet their own code. They need to come the Board of
course as you know I will bring it to the board and so what I'm
asking the board to do it. And up to 30 you met them at
share monies to a request to approve those signs to be
installed on both sides of the road and bridge but happened.
>> Any questions for the county manager on this item.
I would entertain a motion to put the signs up while we were
on AM on a permanent solution. So moved second motion by
commissioner her second by commissioner zembower all those
in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously, thank you appreciate that very much.
Thank you. Thanks for putting the map up.
>> We forgot about that the second item and actually I
would have actually put this on the next agenda. But this is a
a candidate that has accepted a position is actually starting
before the next meeting so want to bring it up under my report,
but I'm actually pleased to announce that we have selected
a new communications director. As you know that was one when I
came on board a couple months ago one of the positions that I
had requested the board and that you all had authorized me
to recruit and to bring on board I think it's very very
important that we have a communications department and
put it at a level I of a director and so I'm pleased to
announce that Christopher Patton has been selected as the
communications director he goes by Chris by the way.
I'm going to 40 each of your offices, his resume so you can
actually look at that as well as I will be setting up
individual meetings with each of you so you get to to know
him so he can start a relationship with your offices
as well.
Chris has over 20 years of experience in the
communications. Just recently just freezing his last 9 years
has been a vice president of communications from here
locally so we're very very pleased that he accepted he
accepted last weekend and so his first day if will be a
Monday August, the 7th.
Our charter you all have to actually approve or come from
the directors that that I a point or higher so I'm just
asking if you would move to approve. Chair move approval.
>> Motion from commissioner zembower second by commissioner
dallari
all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously, thank you very much thank you.
>> And then the last issues that I would like to update the
board on that one for dioxin issue that we all have we've
been hearing about over the last last couple months we'll
ask our environmental services director Kim order to come up
and give us a brief presentation, but that she's
she's coming up.
He got slide if you will
help her on this one.
What I've asked a number yes, we have been researching this
over the last couple months is actually to to go over a few
things with the board as you know this is the first
opportunity that we can bring this to the board for you too
look at it. And a public setting. But I've asked miss
order to go over is what is dioxin. What is the one for
dioxin to go over the background and history. Of of
this as well as once we were aware that the current at the
current actions that we have taken so far and and then we'll
be also discussing with you our next steps. What we've already
done.
And we also want to wrap the presentation up with contact
information so if there's anyone in the public who needs
more information that there's going to be contact information
both on our website and from our staff and from other I
regulatory agencies that they can get more information from
so with that I'll turn it over MS. Or number and then wrap it
up at the end you.
>> Thank you and good afternoon again for the record and Kim
hornberger the director of environmental services was for
Seminole County which
includes water sewer and solid waste. So let's get started OK,
let's start with the basics but is one for dioxin on board
action is a synthetic industrial kind of chemical
used in solvents and cleansers and cleaners it's used in the
manufacture of dyes and he says deodorants Lew Perkins
detergents and is commonly found in many household items.
It's also considered a contaminant of concern and is
currently unregulated by the U.S. EPA for the Environmental
Protection Agency and the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection are FDP
the Florida Department of Health Doh has adopted a health
advisory.
One for dioxin of 0.3 5 parts per billion which I believe is
the second to the lowest in the country.
It's been documented that it's been used in the manufacturing
processes of the former Siemens site in Lake Mary and he's also
been documented that it was mishandled
and caused impacts employees to the ground and groundwater it
has also been the subject of a lot of pulse part series
featured in the Orlando Sentinel.
Background so let's start with the background of our County
Wells one for dioxin was first identified in 3 County water
treatment Wells during the I'm sorry water treatment plants
during the 2013 the EPA mandated sampling along with
other unregulated chemicals. And as for background the
county at that time had already planned to decommission 2 of
those water treatment plants, the market. I'm sorry the
Heathrow and the Monroe plans and then to redevelop the 3rd
into a regional facility which is now the Markham regional
water treatment plant.
The results of the 2013 2014.
A sampling warm published in the 2015 annual water quality
report
as regulated and required by the state and federal agencies.
It was at this time once this who are these were Wells are
identified our staff at the time
main operational changes to our impacted Wells that minimize
the concentrations in our drinking water
to keep the average for that the avid whose averages been
half the health advisory level
since the original sampling waters could consistently been
below the 0.3 5 parts per billion.
And then the next slide shows are actual data.
So this data is part of the results from the initial
samples done under the 2013 2014 EPA requirements.
They are from the Heathrow Markham and mineral water
treatment plants.
And I know it's not as easy to see up here, but you can see
that that the orange self or the
for the Heathrow plan had them highest level
of dioxin at 0, 5, 8, which is about the and state health
advisory levels. The samples were taken in each of the
treatment plants at the point of entry and the point of entry
is where the water leaves the treatment plants and and enters
the distribution system and pumped out to the community.
This next set of samples this slide shows the all the
subsequent samples that have been collected some of the 3
Heathrow Wells and the mark regional water treatment plant
at the point of entry.
These are all of that the dioxin data has been collected
since 2013 through May of this year. Most of the data was
collected by Browning Caldwell as part of the Siemens
investigation remediation as you can see there's only one
teacher orange colored. Shes so this highlighted which is in
2016 and this was the only time since 2013 we actually had a
sample that was that but not exceeding the health advisory
level
ever since then we have been well below the health advisory
level on all Sam boring due to the operational changes that
were made again the average concentration leaving the
Markham regional water treatment plant is about half
of that of the health advisory level and you can see the the
cells that are highlighted in green, o the times that the
sample showed that they were for the analytical laboratory
detection limit.
So current actions. What are we doing about this.
Since recently becoming I'm the director of environmental
services and recently being made aware of this we have been
working to develop with our staff and leadership to develop
a comprehensive multi-pronged round approach to assessing the
situation and sharing this and other information with the
public.
We began monitoring we've expanded our sampling our
internal staff Sandlin for the one for dioxin.
We've included crease to locations in frequency to
monthly that I understand
it's impacting the other systems we've been coordinating
with D p to allow for their sampling of our youth for Wells
and the Markham regional water treatment plant we also begun
proactively sampling for P pfos and I don't know if you all I
heard about the faa's in the news or online, but it's known
as a forever chemical any BA has not regulated not required
sampling of these yet it is yet unregulated. But we've
initiated this sampling to try and see we have a problem and
to see what we need to do about that as well we'll be sampling
our water treatment plants are Wells all right. It reclaimed
water and our landfill leachate
so after that we've we've begun coordination and communication
with the city's indeed and the Department of Health and dp
we've been talking to Lake Mary Sanford. It
Sunday HTV about sampling strategy is offering assistance
where we can
and ensuring we're directing residents to the proper her
staff within each entity.
And the other thing that we've done is engaged to console her
with assistance filing. We contracted with consultants
Corolla and we have some of their staff here today, Mary
Thomas, and sky majors and to help us assist in the
assessment of both one for dioxin in the P Foss in our
service area as many this service as well as throughout
our County water systems. I'm not I'm not aware that the
county had previously by consulting on to help with
guidance on this.
That outlined a highlight and high level tests in the
timelines for this was fighting we had our kickoff meeting with
Kerr task one
we're reviewing all the data they're reviewing all the data
available information that should take a couple of weeks.
It has to date assessment and summary of where we should be
getting in late August. Task 3 is identifying new treatment
options estimated cost and potential funding opportunities
and we should be receiving that in late October. So in
November. And once the review that we do here is bring that
back to the board with recommendations and information
in November.
We've also added dioxin, specific information to our Web
site that includes frequently asked questions are in your
water quality reports regulatory informations,
an EPA dp and uh as well as contact information.
I think as of the 21st unionism ongoing tally that we had 842
total site visits.
We have had a 42 emails and 53 caso calls that we have been
responding to. And I'm just for a summary of information are
most frequently asked questions and then as my water safe and I
and the impacted area and have going to get my private well
testing.
As we've heard communicated to the to the residence and I'm
concerned citizens that have reached out to us I want to
assure everyone that our water that are very dedicated.
Staff is following all protocols and requirements of
the Safe Drinking Water Act and state regulations to ensure
that your water or water
is as safe and reliable as possible drinking water is
highly regulated and requires daily weekly and monthly
testing licensed operators and highly specialized and
technical equipment. Utilities and the county like ourselves
and our neighbors. Neighbor utilities rely on the state and
the federal government regulatory agencies to conduct
the research instead appropriate and safe health
safety levels which we saw and me.
The second question. I'm on to you live to a wave in the areas
affected this map shows the Northwestern service area which
is where the Heathrow plan and the well the Markham the
marketing plan Heathrow Wells are at.
And finally the residents on private Wells have been
directed to the Department of Health since they're the ones
that regulate and oversee this information where the private
Wells
okay next steps has many know I have a
I'm a strong proponent for education and public outreach I
believe that we have an opportunity here to think and
act differently than maybe we have in the utility side in the
past and make all of our water data available to the public.
All the time through educational Web site similar to
or is an extension.
I'm very successful Seminole water Atlas which houses all of
our data on our natural water systems.
Present the data and easy to understand dashboard type of
format with educational information to support it.
We could potentially cause the seminal one water Atlas,
but I don't know if that's something that's trademarked or
not that they can do that.
Well we take well this will take some time for us to do in
the short term we will post this data that we provided
today this power point presentation to our website and
we'll continue to update it with information as we gather
that.
We're going to establish regular meetings with other
utilities in the county we've already started reaching out to
them and been in contact with several of the city's and other
County utilities. This will help us to coordinate and share
information more efficiently and help us Foster regional
solutions and this ties in with the holistic water policy that
will be bringing forward to you in the near future.
We will continue to coordinate our one for dioxin and P 5
activities with dp and Doh including the findings from
Arkansas who will seek outside funding opportunities for any
the thing that we need to end up deciding to do as far as
federal or state opportunities. And finally we'll present these
findings and recommendations and options to the board and a
future session and to the public.
So here's the contact information for the state
agency that to the Department of environmental protection's
central district who is in charge of our regulators to
contamination, drinking water.
And the Department of now that does the route testing overseas
private Wells
again this information will be posted to our website, so you
won't be able to get it. This is contact information for
the city of Lake Mary and for the city of Sanford.
And finally, here's my information and the county
contact information.
And I thank you all for allowing me to present this
important information to you.
And at this point I am finished and I will be happy to take any
questions thank you and I could just wrap up just to just to
reemphasize.
>> When we were made aware of this I want to commend Mister
hornberger and her staff for responded immediately to it
expanding our our testing and just not at the Wells but
actually as it goes as you all know as it goes through a plan
and then it goes to the point of distribution. We actually
started testing at that point distribution when it's goes
into the pipes and out into the community. So we're we will
definitely continue to be doing that as well as as Mister Burke
said on a monthly basis, so you're aware of everything also
we immediately contacted the Florida Department of
Environmental Protection as well so the kids steak or in
coordination with them as they do regulate this and regulatory
agencies are we're always in contact with them, but as this
wasn't the best we were Bay where of this more and more so
we definitely reached out and have a dialogue in a
relationship with them regarding that.
As as Mister Roberts said we want to do a multi pronged
approach to this and so as many as coming on board here has
been the last couple months.
I was like we need to get the experts not not getting
anything against our staff that have an expert that 3rd party
that understands that knows this has the license and it to
come in, and to evaluate and re evaluate and assess our
operations so we immediately got a scoop or work from home,
and they are there there and contract with us as well.
Also we've we've actually had a another 3rd party to come in to
do an assessment of all of our testing. And on the court on a
quarterly basis and to read and to look at that to ensure that
we're in compliance with all state and federal regulations
as well and so we we we have again multi, we did the multi
pronged coach to this to ensure that and double sure in triple
sure that we're doing everything that we possibly can
to ensure the residents business owners of are a great
County that we are in compliance with all
regulations.
>> Commissioners, I'm sure you have questions I if you're okay
what I'd like to do is just start with commissioner her and
then we can work our way down the diocese, that's all right.
Thank you chairman.
>> I'd like to pull us back to slide 5, 6,
and for clarification purposes explained the difference
between the 2 graphs.
>> So the this first one is the first samples that were taken
under the EPA required.
Monitoring 2013, so there we had to take 2 samples of
staffers are trying to take to Sandlin a certain time stand
apart to say to the on in August of 2013 and then
February 2014, so these are samples that were taken of the
Heathrow water treatment plant at the point of entry. I'm also
at the Monroe water treatment plant at that point of entry
and then the market water treatment plant that point of
entry. So those were 3 water treatment plants that we had
and in service at that time subsequent to that the Monroe
and the Heathrow plans were taken offline but the Heat for
hours, we're still in service.
OK so now take me to 6. And these are all of the sample
days for the 3 throw Wells that we haven't services Heathrow to
Heathrow 5 and he threw 6. And the market, regional water
treatment plant at the point of entry to that's where all the
samples from her.
>> And so I just want to point out that those Wells that have
been much talked about there hasn't been a reading
above makes exceeding let me say this correctly exceeding
the limit
in this timeframe at all there's been one that met the
limit for reporting purposes in all of these samplings of the
Wells that is correct and so over the time frame from 8.13
through 5.31 of 23 and you know what I'll go to for 13 of 23
since there's nsa's there.
So roughly a 10 year span.
We've had one time where we met through reporting limit.
And we reported it.
The ones that were reported where the 2013 2014. So we
didn't report when we met the limit because I have to report
when you exceed the limit.
These were the U.S. they were it.
I just want to go back and point out from my perspective
first of all let me just say that
this is simply one of the most important things we do is to
provide safety for the citizens of the county.
Drinking water certainly a significant component of that.
I know that that will get lost in the quotes that are about to
get made but but the reality of this is that it was 10 years
ago that this crop top and and the article well I think was
exceptionally well written and the purpose of the for the
freedom of the press
is to hold us accountable and it's doing that because we are
now going to report out more regularly I've been asking for
dashboard since I got on this board now we have a willing
participant in that mission. But we have I think to some
degree really scared people.
Beyond what we need to be frightened. I have seen in my
neighborhood, this is district 5 more Culligan water trucks
ever that if I mean I've seen more in the last multiple weeks
and I have in the last 20 years that I've lived there
and quite frankly I I worry that we may be causing people
to be concerned beyond the necessary concern, I'm not
saying that we shouldn't be concerned.
If there's something in the water we should be concerned
and doing everything possible.
But it's often
buried
at the back end of a very long article that this was 10 years
ago, so I just want to make it very clear
that this was 10 years ago certainly before me certainly
before you certainly before you.
This one on. I can assure you that I am taking this seriously
as the district commissioner, the majority of this is in my
district we are heavily engaged in making sure that not only
are we monitoring but that we will be reporting out publicly
in a meaningful way not only on this but on other issues with
regard to the water has asthma stormberg indicated, but I do
want to just point out one more time
was in 2016.
Was the last time.
We saw a number that was
at the level not above the level of a reporting
requirement.
All right commissioner dallari thank you, madam chair.
>> Kim can you talk to us a little about one of them was
that we wreck shut down several years ago the r-six correct
that is correct said that's Heathrow 6 correct that is
correct we that's the one that's on the chart correct
when did we shut that down.
>> Believe it was around 2015 2015 to 10. We use it we still
use it to for compliance monitoring. And we you know
regularly we as needed for operate as needed for
compliance which is sampling basically.
>> What can you also show us. I'm hoping that you can show us
the actual. Actually the map of.
>> We have that here today that I can I can bring it forward to
it.
>> I'd like to see that because I know the public would like to
see it as well and they can also talk to us about what's
happening with the 2 cities as well.
>> I've been in contact with the 2 cities and a nose us and
when Mary has
has constructed an is operating a
high level plant water treatment plant there they were
affected the most from what I understand from their Wells
funding for it there.
Water treatment plant was provided by believe the same
Siemens for the duration.
But I don't think they took Kenny from what I've seen any
responsibility or what you don't know you don't know that
I don't know that they do.
Lake Mary has had some issues with one of their Wells that
they're looking to do and some processes to and I think that
they've reached out for for funding external funding.
>> So can you also tell us even though we shut down the well 6
how that affected the system.
>> We were able to change our operating schedule only provide
able to provide the necessary water and better quality
because that will happen the closest to the to the same
insane.
>> And so it gets more information about that please
and thank you, madam chairman commissioner zembower.
>> Thank you madam chair.
I concur completely with
statement supporting made by commissioner her.
It's very clear to me that that the media
just didn't publish the reality of of the information that's
here they they published
and whatever they felt they want to publish.
And I think this shows a better picture of the reality of the
matter and I think it has incited some some people to be
scared and concerned and as we all are you know a single
commissioner up here that is not
concerned that the welfare of our citizens looked after
services that we provide
and but I'm I'm going to go a little bit of a different
direction and I hear these processes and his consultants
or burning man
and we're going to be looking at this people last now there's
recently been a huge pitfall settlement reached out to our
attorneys office to find out were we following that and
doing anything with that and I I'm still waiting for an answer
back
on that side appreciate answer on that
the rate payers
who are impacted.
By the additional costs for utilities and where bonding
does
all these processes cost money
which goes directly to the water bill for these rate
payers
that said
if we believe
I have my own beliefs and you know this is this is not a new
novel idea.
This has been going on since late 60's.
There's been multiple lawsuits in that region
related to TC and act saying some for Doc same.
My question is those costs.
What are we going to do to offset those costs of this
additional
consoles testing whatever we're going to do.
That's going to be borne by the way players who were concerned
about
because someone else and negligence.
And I think we need to be looking at that very closely
as how we recover those costs and not burden the rate payers.
You know all of us want.
Good water all of us were on good air to breathe. But if
there is an entity. That's responsible for multiple
entities, responsible.
I think our legal staff should be taking a long hard look at
that
as far as what our rights are to recover on behalf of our
ratepayers
because if we don't
then all the citizens, including those that are not
utility customers are and the pain
for the costs as a role result, somebody else's negligence.
And so I think we need to take a real deep dive at that.
Another state, I think Port St. Lucie County recently just had
a huge settlement related to these type of issues
and groundwater contamination. In fact the Orlando Sentinel
I've been around a few minutes
have their own determination issue back in the mid 90's,
my family and property the downtown Orlando area.
And
walk-up exterminating then and the Senate were going back and
forth about who's was a fall, etcetera etcetera also there
were settlements in that
process,
the reality is it's going to take money.
These oversights these investigations additional
testing a rhythm and so forth so I think we need to be taking
a look at how we recover that on behalf of for our citizens.
Commissioner Constantine
I too want to
I commend
the newsprint
it's important.
>> And I think this shows it always shows it's important to
don't you have a strong viable for the state
when dealing with any issues and those when when you lose
that
you you lose the opportunity for this, you know for true
true knowledge
hopefully knowledge that people can use and so I think that
for one I'm very thankful that Kevin spear and others did this
because this does bring out action.
We action that needs to be taken.
It is important in my fellow commissioners make sure that
this was unregulated.
When it was first detected in the D e P and Department of
Health all new, but they never said anything about it because
it does they said there was no process and they were it was
unregulated.
So you know, let's let's look at what we can learn from this
and let's do we invite you to do better and one thing that I
think that has not been mentioned
is the fact that this
somebody new
but 3 committed 3 County managers the last 3 County
managers now are with told me personally and others that they
knew nothing about
we have to have a a culture where all is transparent and
people will tell other folks in that gym.
I don't have did not hear of did not know about this until
Kevin, spear we mentioned it to her.
I know the county manager knows this that this that that
has to change and I know he's taking steps to do it so I'm
not going to go into details or anything like that I'm just
thankful. He's doing this
because this can't happen again.
We need to work with the cities.
We have to make ensure that day as well as us are doing
everything we can to make our water is clean as possible and
we all know this I'm not I'm not saying anything that any
others had I have not said before.
Those cities are also citizens of Seminole County.
And even if their waters coming someplace else in the vast
majority of where this talks in was from was not from Seminole
County but was in the cities, but still they are Seminole
County citizens and all must be protected.
Excuse me the last to to kind of dovetail commissioner
zembower said
we have to potentially look
and those
that caused this problem.
We have to aggressively look at it.
Those companies entities
whichever they are we have to in my opinion we have to
research what it is and we have to go after them aggressively
and we have to get financial and remember that financial
consideration we need to ration. I was trying to say
that.
I think you all know I just I had the red eye this morning
getting back here from from Austin but the fact of the
matter is that needs to happen.
So the 2 sides we need to ensure clean water for our
citizens.
We need to swiftly and aggressively take action which
we're doing one testing.
And at the same time we need to ensure that staff wise just
that this doesn't happen and knowledge
is is forthcoming.
All the way to the top so that our top can make decisions are
CEO and the board of directors
and then we need to take action and see just who
cause this.
How we're going to get
for initially reimbursed.
So commissioner.
>> I I just want to set the record straight on a couple
things is very clear to me that people did know about it and it
was reported it was reported in the 2015 annual water quality
report and I suspect that the commissioners received that
from 2015.
I would also tell you that I think for we're talking about
when you were ration I think it all needs to be with a forward
look I really would like to stop looking out the rear view
mirror and start looking out the windshield.
And that has to be with you where if there are
opportunities for us to seek funding for infrastructure
change that changes the output of our systems and that's worth
pursuing if this is about pursuing damages for punitive
purposes that may not be significant, I would like not
to spend time on that this isn't about money. This is
about securing the water system in the county for the benefit
of the citizens of our County. And our good health so from my
perspective, it's about time being spent on making sure that
our infrastructure accommodate whatever it is that the
pollutants are of today the past and what comes in the
future because we can't even see what's happening right now.
The the last piece of that of this that I would point out is
that
and I know, I'm beating up beating a drum here and that's
typically not Miami.
But we sat in our strategic planning meeting.
I think it was November December of 2020 it was not
long after I got onto this board and had my eyes glazed
over by how government operates to be quite honest.
And I talked about dashboards
the uptake on that
was one other commissioner, a point to my right in
the uptake on that was very little from County management
and that was supported by the 5 of us on the diocese. It starts
here with the expectation of full disclosure, not with our
team.
Our team follows Farley.
So our lead has to be that we're going to be transparent
and we're going to be forward thinking and not blame seeking.
>> I would add to that the dashboards for about all sorts
of cool things not central hasn't figured those out yeah.
>> I have.
>> I have some questions for miss Arbor but also probably
I'd like to ask our some of our team members from Carrillo if
he would mind just coming down because.
I think there's a micro and macro
and in order to really understand the micro I think we
need to have a foundational level at the macro
and all of us have been consuming.
Lots of information about this particular contaminant
but there are lots of contaminants right. So I would
I would love to just ask a bunch of different questions to
help still out a framework. For for discussion and for for
additional questions.
And this is in the context it for my Crow folks at best
practices industry standards, I'm not asking you to come up
here and give us a specific rundown of our specific
operation because our County manager and his team are are
going to have to dig into that that's not that. Yes, it is
here but we've got to p** in these weeks that's not our job.
How many potential contaminants are there and in water we're
talking about one for dioxin, that's one contaminant.
>> Wow, that's a really good question and I don't think any
one of us can answer that. There are countless
contaminants that we know of today and many many more that
we have no idea and many that have not been created.
Do you see a more data that is on burglary for 2 earlier that
that data is collected every 5 years. It's these are
unregulated contaminants. They're described that way
that's what you see our means it's unregulated contaminants.
Those are sampled for once every 5 years in an effort for
the EPA to identify.
What is up and coming and what requires regulation to so to
answer your specific question impossible to answer.
>> Would would hundreds be an overestimation no not at all.
And are there different types of contaminants that crack
there are some naturally occurring contaminants and
there are some synthetic type contaminants right, I mean
1, 4, dioxane is a synthetic soap and.
>> Seminole County and utilities in the area tree for
things like iron and so by that is a naturally occurring
element. So there are naturally occurring in synthetic
absolutely okay and I've neglected to ask you to state
your name and your title for the record yes. So I'm I'm Mary
Thomas with Carrillo engineers of a resident of Seminole
County I drink your water each and every day as do my 2
daughters, so I care about this just as much as anyone does in
this room on the project manager for this particular
task and Scott Richard tears also with you in Crow
engineers, okay.
>> And so as we talk about all of these innumerable
contaminants. What is the industry standard for testing
for them how do you choose what's tested for and how
frequently who makes that decision.
>> As is on bergdahl point out it is generally the EPA or the
Department of Health for the Department of Environmental
Protection who outlined the criteria for sampling for
public water supplies and in general public water suppliers
such as yourselves have far more rigorous requirements that
saved and say the bottled the bottled water industry does so
you have very very rigorous standards.
>> So would it be safe to say that if we were to test some
popular commercial bottled water that they may have more
contaminants and their bottled water than we have in our water
coming out of our taps.
>> It's hard to say I'm not an expert in bottled water,
but it's absolutely a possibility okay, why haven't
we haven't done that sort of work well we might ask you to
do that might just be fun for. I mean her perhaps you get a
sample, your diet sodas maybe that would be one way to get it
done.
>> Korea.
>> I was worried about how much diet. Drink, this man drinks.
So when we talk about the EU cmr process how frequently does
the does the EPA or whoever it is it establishes that how
frequently do they establish it and and do they choose what's
next and do we know what they're going to be testing for
next month.
>> We could after news coverage is considered money. The
process a story that not every 5 years so starting next year
action you see him or 5 which will be the first round of time
so
the EPA will establish this is nationally not just locally
based on those potential contaminants tentatively this
too up and coming like we heard a lot about the possible be one
of the big things is coming soon. They're the sun reporters
taking this down because it will be your story in 2 years
which will affect every utility in the country right so this
isn't a new thing that we're looking at. So this continues
to fall, and you know I just reinforcing we.
I will say joke about it. This is a serious matter but
wonder what are we one of his industry creating next. We're
going to do with our industry right and unfortunate part of
it is a lot of it is actually already been through our body
into the wastewater system before it even gets the water.
Rice I think we have to keep that in mind kind of ground
ourselves from what some of these challenges are and where
they're ridging and we we think he's getting into from pure the
water. Well that's not even close. Most teams we've been
consuming eating
and other things to work with.
I know commissioner zembower you know ensure area
our interests and I'm pretty sure I spray more doctors say
with greatly to my brakes in my career that I ever get here
with more on foreign aid you have 2 years the court.
Probably true so in all seriousness, we have to be
conscious and aware of this that it's not just
water like this is a much broader picture issue that the
whole world is going to be facing some form.
>> I love that because my one of my questions was it sounds
to me through this learning journey that I've been on like
that it might be easier to to keep this contaminants out of
the water to begin with and it has to remove them. So that's a
fabulous message.
>> Yeah, absolutely should stop it at the source, but
unfortunately, most of those sources have already gotten to
places where it's now getting in and around water and they
all relate to
growing up, you know as a child we drink it out of the top
right of the ground and well.
Problems right now those times when force is changing and that
process continues to get more more Vance as more sites like
you were speaking of here,
contaminated the ground and now it's moving to the system.
>> For these we keep using the parts per billion are parts per
whatever can you in layman's terms explain to us what this
advisory level would be
over the course of how many gallons or how many years are
we concerned that there is a potential impact.
>> If you review the ADP report their guy to let their guidance
for a health advisory means if you drink above the health
advisory limit for 70 years or more you are a likelihood of
getting cancer
is increased by one in a million.
So that's how that's defined so if one of us were to drink
more. The water that was sampled in 2016 for 70 years if
I drink that water with the peach FOX for 70 years
consistently.
I would have a one in a million chance more than any other
individual at getting cancer that's how the dp defines a
health advisory limit.
>> That's a that's a great. Details it to know and
understand.
I will I will share from a from a personal note and along the
lines of commissioner, her.
Any time we're talking about people's health and wellness it
is 8 incredibly personal and very serious situation.
Had a couple of close friends. Reach out that are very
concerned because they have family members that have been
diagnosed with cancer over the course of the last few years
and are battling cancer currently
and I'm gonna speak from a a personal perspective because I
don't want to put this on anyone else. But when when you
are a family member are diagnosed with cancer.
It is such an incredibly horrifying thing that all you
want to do.
One of the things you want to do is find an answer you want
to be able to know how did this happen why did this happen and
who can I blame
because you're angry at some point in time.
And I'm not saying that those those feelings are
inappropriate in any way shape or form.
But I think where we have to be very careful as as leaders in
this community is that we do not do anything to add
to the existing.
Here's and trauma that cancer already
and flicks on our community and I'm very concerned that's some
of the reporting that has been done albeit very well written
in some ways the headlines that have been chosen
in my estimation, irresponsible and they have caused a great
amount of concern and fear that when you we look at the actual
data.
I don't think that the headlines that that the data
does not support the headlines.
So I'm going to put that out there as a personal note.
On a back on a day to note.
If we were for some reason to give after after learning a lot
more we have a lot more to learn about what our options
are and our team has a lot more work to do.
If we were to put into place a system like lake mary has
could we assure that there would be 0, 0, 0, 0, 0,
one for dioxin in our water.
>> The process that Lake Mary uses is an ozone advanced
oxidation process, those types of processes are designed to
reduce contaminants by some level. And that's exactly how
it works in practice that is the treatment that's being used
on site at the scene in sight. It's a treatment process that
used nationwide for one Ford I've seen Seminole County is
not the only County to deal with this contaminant so the
answer is no there's no guarantee that this treatment
will completely eliminate it. There's a very high likelihood
that a treatment could reduce concentrations.
>> And when you're looking at the most recent of point.
I think that's one of 3 that topped the average that them
bottom right free market, the market plan, how how much lower
from 0.1 3 could we get with that system do you think I
think it's typical to look at perhaps half cutting it in
half.
>> I know one of the challenges and we've been calling numerous
lives in the past few days of the subject.
There's only a handful of labs in the country can even measure
this to the EPA standard.
On top of that.
There's not going measure so most your numbers about that
threshold where you can't even measure lower than that amount
so we typically use the word trace what you're getting a
trace of it.
But these numbers are so low that the current technology for
him is that going to keep measuring well as lower,
so this 0
kind of means you could measure it right, but that's again why
another lot technology so there's a lot of challenges
from that perspective.
>> And as we look at this the limit that Florida set
foreign self-regulation because the federal funds that
regulating it. In our drinking water.
I heard a storm or say that we are perhaps the second lowest
state in the country can you give me a feel for what some of
the and I ask you to name states we're not trying to you
know
it put anybody down or start a problem in another state that
but how what is what's give me an idea of what are some highs
some lows where are we in terms of light.
>> Remember that candidate was it 50 parts per billion
billion. So we are 0.3 5.3 5 and Canada, Canada's 50 and I
think there was a like the World Health Organization might
have been the same I I think there was one though is that
when but where was I want to say it was like 0.3 I think
that I don't have that information for any so wide
gamut
my okay.
One thing I forgot to say when commissioner I was asking about
Lake Mary and Sanford when the things I don't know but
clarified but they're well as the Wells and Lake Mary 3 and
the well and Sanford that maybe there I think it is but those
well as the data is significantly think Mary's
significantly higher than the health advisory.
Stanford ones were the health advisory as well where are
always been at or below with the exception of that very
first one just want to clarify that right.
>> I've I've monopolized lot of time any other questions
commissioner commissioner zembower and then commissioner.
>> So this for our for consultants. What do you make
of the 2022. Final risk evaluation for one for docs and
by the EPA.
And then this month.
A settlement.
Just before the final publication have you had an
opportunity to review all. 1016 pages.
Force that we've been on this for a few days so we have got
to it but I will say.
>> I think the general registry take on this is there's not a
lot of good information on it. All right so there's history.
You know, we're engineers were not science we have done
studies of the impact of individual zones and this.
Of course it takes sometimes a lifetime to measure the impacts
of these things and I think is a resident will have those
concerns.
But it's very difficult and sometimes things are moving
target in our industry. And that's a good point.
It takes a while for the science to catch up
and to give you.
>> What probably most of us in this room understand use my
industry is example, many people might made the Bay that
the internal combustion engine maybe was one of the best
inventions of of all time.
But then a science caught up.
We began to understand
that that great thing that have been developed just had some
bad side effects to. We went to a lot of fuel
then more science came to bear and swell you catalytic
converters now more science has come to bear we have engine
management systems help mitigate that. Now we're
looking at
electric vehicles like commissioner Constantine
drives. I get there sooner than he does by the way. My carbon
footprint of course is a little heavier. But but the point
being is when I read through all of this.
On the regulated substances and water seems to be in the 10's
of thousands.
To commissioner Lockhart's question.
You know, I've probably read more about this and I really
care to read about
you know and that comes from somebody who
Ross their wife and age 54 with brain cancer.
And you always have that question. Why how come
was something she ate was some she was exposed to and so it's
very important to our citizens that we get these answers.
But I think we've got a set a reasonable expectation we may
not get all the answers
to this question.
Until science catches up.
And to to that and degree I think is why
in the meantime if we're going to struggle and have to spend
dollars with this and I'm not saying necessarily pain in the
b***.
This is going to fall in the rate payers.
You know it unless we want to spread out across non rate
paying utility used to think I think we're all prepared to
probably do that push come to shove.
But we have to we have to look at
the reimbursement side of that considerably and the dashboards
I've been banging on the table since 2018 when I arrived here.
I think we finally actually got some, but they'll be great for
all of us and our citizens forget alternately get there.
I think until science catches up.
You know, it's it's
if I'm reading what I think I'm reading in these final risk
evaluations for one for Doc saying, and the supplement.
Your review, the material. I don't know that we have all
the answers yet.
>> If I may there's a lot of discussion on funding. There's
been a lot of discussion on sourcing one things that we one
thing that we have advised all of our clients to to do is
whether it's 1, 4, dioxane P 5 or something else.
As utility you're not the only ones challenge with this.
There are utilities in central Florida. This particular topic
that we're talking about today is a regional issue.
But this happens across the nation. So advocacy joining
forces with other utilities and other agencies is absolutely
critical to communicating these messages to the regulatory
agencies, not only to tackle the issue of the source itself.
Much as the settlement that you referred to earlier the PFS
settlement.
But for the funding aspects advocacy to secure the funding.
So that folks like Lake Mary who upgraded their plan should
you all decide that an upgrade is necessary that the funding
is there.
Commissioner her and then commissioner dallari
I just want to say that was a rock star statement.
Most important thing we've heard so far today.
My husband get a copy of the watching, it is you should
question why.
>> He is there a difference between Lake Mary's methodology
for
reduction in the level.
In the outcome and are methodology which is dilution I
know there are 2 different processes but our methodology
has been to dilute to below the reporting level need and their
methodology has been to install a new system which was required
because of the this span of the issue there and then at some
point God forbid may be required elsewhere.
Outcome if the level goes down is there
is it important how you got there.
>> I would I would say you know I probably know the outcome is
to provide to your customers safe drinking water whether
that's through delusion or some other means. I think that's a
decision you need to make and there are buy products
associated with treatment that also need to be tackled.
Comparing the lake Mary situation to yours is much
different because of the high concentrations so at the end of
the day as you just described the culture, the same
understood.
>> And then for
for potential fear of opening up an entire other can of worms
but while we're here
I'm going to do it. Since we're talking about water supply I
would like us to investigate fluoride
there is all sorts of science. Now that is different from what
the science was when I was a kid in kids teeth were rotting
out of their heads in question my own mostly because of what
we're reading
that is is different and perhaps we need to get in front
of that while we're doing this, let's look at that as well and
there may be other things that you may suggest that we need to
be considering, but I certainly know that that's one of them.
I'm sure you know it's kind of like. Thank you madam chair,
we're looking at a different task.
Have your attention please.
>> Looking at a different task and I like to understand a
little better what I'm concerned about is test.
Reader Dana find treatment options which is fine but we
also identifying
the potential to actually
clean up the issue
is that not in one of the options at all.
Percent of see that.
>> It's the question is is our task to look addressing you
just the staff was I'm sorry steps toward such a task that
you.
I'm sorry can you beat that okay.
>> I stopped beating and so it didn't asked 3 when Dana find
treatment options, OK so the question I have is that the
treatment have to want to come down on the ground.
We talking and all looking at the Aqua for or the
hydrological aspects of the aquifer.
>> Yes, I mean that's part of the the weather going to be
assessing is looking at I mean election plans what the Siemens
is doing as far as they what they're going out and looking
at our Wells that we haven't.
>> And other options to look at high really looking at
ideologically correct. Yes, I don't see that listed have and
then we also talking about instead of just treatment.
A combination of actually treating the actual contaminant
in the opera for
as well as treatment because I don't see that in the task at
all either.
>> We'll be we as we talk to them about looking at that
looking at what is actually being done as far as the source
for him and I have been in contact with Lake Mary and I
understand that Siemens does have an active remediation
system so one of the things we love them, we're looking at is
is an issue. Danielle Lawrie from Lake Mary tell me that
Siemens are women. They are now and we're creating the system
so we'll find out what what activities are going on with
that to see what they're actually doing too.
>> For me. The source, the case for this reason I want to see
the map with the plume because I wanted to know if there's a
way to actually control the plume as people pulling water
out of the Apple for an overall not as but
can I actually see more detail, the scope.
And then we're going to be any list as you stated,
other utilities that are affected with this chemical as
well correct. Yes, region all right.
I look forward to seeing that information all right.
>> I have another question this somehow says we heard ozone,
I know we utilize those how is of those and we utilize
different from those and that like Mary's utilizing.
>> I believe it's the same but I think they add another
process on the system others UV approx side but all right.
>> The experts so that is that is the fortunate thing about
the situation is that your marketing plan already utilizes
ozone for constituents that are already in the water. One of
the commonly used treatment processes for one Ford I've
seen is an advanced oxidation procedure where you would add
for oxide to the ozone to really amplify that oxidation
process. One of the options we would potentially look at is
adding a rock side to the zone system to enhance that existing
system.
Okay, thank you.
>> Questions or comments I do have a request of the board
just a follow-up to that does the what I will call hyper
oxidation
create the possibility of a different outcome meaning
a negative outcome from that chemical reaction.
>> It one for the vaccine is notoriously difficult to treat
and we will look at that and come back to come back to you
with that information, I'm not actually the treatment expert.
We can find that out but as far as I understand it really just
destroys the chemical constituent itself.
>> And madam chairman if I could just add and to
commissioner Doris point as well a sense, you know we are
made aware of all this that's what I said everything was on
the table and that's what I directed staff to do so as
stuff comes through their assessment of theirs other
things that they need or want us to look at I have given them
for authority to to to look at that because when they come
back to this board and to provide not only the assessment
and evaluation, but recommendations and options to
this board. I want them I want I don't want to be held back a
anything because it's very well may be some things that we just
don't know yet, but we will just uncover.
Commissioner zembower
does that include legal activity
legal action.
>> And the reason I ask that is because there are
obviously individuals in this country that have been down
this path of litigating these matters who have some of the
front edge cutting experts in everything we're talking about
would come to us without engaging.
Causing consultants.
It's also I think we
I like to know that and we thought processes there and
that is to say they were too soon right. I don't think so I
think we're I think and I think we're working on that doorstep.
>> So the county attorney update you on what he's already
done.
>> Thank you madam chair, I had a couple of items that I was
going to do under the county attorney's report. But I think
the more pertinent to this discussion in regards to the
dioxin. We have sent out several letters to area.
Environmental attorney is asking for their specific
experience and I for dioxin.
So we could
look at the pool and see which is the best fit to add to our
team and what our needs are going to be because again we're
still formulating that with our
technical experts so we are on that track as far as the the P
Foss
there is federal legislation and 3 M company has settled and
agreed to pay 2.3 billion to settle lawsuits related to the
P Foss contamination in drinking, public drinking water
around the United States. The settlement will complement
for excuse me compensate for providers to pollution and
pathos compounds and help others
to cover the costs of filtering in testing systems we have been
in contact with that rust and bone cancer from shot some VO
and who are involved in that to keep apprised of the latest
developments and we are expecting an announcement from
the
a state attorney general's office in the next few weeks
for an opportunity to join the class action so we will keep
you apprised side effect.
>> That was the question I posed a couple weeks ago so
thank you that answer my question.
Anything else.
>> One of the things that I think we have all learned,
I'm continuing to learn a loud and clear is that we have
multiple different agencies with different opinions with
different enforcement levels were no enforcement and I think
the one saying that every local government and local utility
would
significantly benefit from is the federal government. The EPA
coming out with a an advisory level from water that is
consistent for everyone to follow this this game of
individual local governments and local utilities and states
setting their own. What levels based on their own expert.
Expert says just that it's not what's best for the American
people so one of the things that would like to ask my
colleagues for permission to do is is to send a letter to the
administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency. Michael Reagan asking for the EPA to to give local
governments that that much needed guidance.
Wishes and our
I'm not against that.
>> But as I read through the final assessment. The EPA is
gone and the summary that was just released this month.
I think they're already there.
>> I read a story as far as they're going to go right I
read the same and the one thing that is not mentioned is
specifically drinking water.
And I think that's what we're seeing and yes it is well not
in the summary that I read just say so
this for our purposes I think for this conversation we're
asking specifically for the parts per billion for drinking
water. The the car. Guy stuff.
We love you mean it but I'm not as like into the car guide use
of one 40 o'clock saying is I am you know moms making
formula. Water so I'm looking for.
The 4
consensus from the board to send a letter to the EPA
requesting that they provide guidance for us we split the
baby
that.
>> I I would certainly concede to that as long as we verify
that it doesn't already exist which our experts can do that
you verify that the drinking water level for reporting and
safety doesn't exist. We sent a letter about that. Yeah,
I'm fine with that
not against the dollar is there anyone who objects to sending a
letter.
>> Motion to approve signed a letter.
>> Thank you have for the commission I can see behind me
is I'm not sure what commissioner Constantine's
thoughts I that I was going to listen any action that we take
and we need to take is, you know obviously could affect our
citizens so I have no problem and sending a letter the EPA it
in the information is not over to exist is as we've already
talked to okay commissioner zembower made a motion as their
session second second commissioner dallari all those
in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimously, thank you and I will get drafts of this letter
T to the offices, you can review it before cent and we'll
have a consultant's review it as well.
Any other items on this topic from the board before we ask
for any public comment on this topic we may be a five-minute
break.
The break we can take a five-minute break but it's got
to be 5. In your mind go to the little boy's room right back
here where we could do that with everyone likes to take a
five-minute break I just wasn't sure of teens.
All right, we will recess the meeting. We will for 5 minutes,
we'll come back at 4.
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the 5 minute break does not exist in this chambers, I know
it doesn't well and then I got to talking to people to so I'm
just I'm just as guilty for sure.
MS. Cannes has forms for people who would like to speak related
to the topic that was a part of this County managers. Court and
but before you do for you made. If there other public comments
not related to this we're going to hold those to the end of the
meeting like we would normally do so if you have something
that you want to talk about whatever that's completely not
related to water. What do those later.
>> Also if you don't want to speak, but you want the board
to hear your comments you want there's a green form in the
lobby that you can fill out that will be passed down the
diocese and we will read your comments because I know not
everybody is comfortable getting up and speaking at a
public meeting, especially when their television cameras in the
room, but we do want to hear from you so please avail
yourself of the of the green form.
Before we go to public comment on this item, I'm just going to
re read the state about public participation before this board
portions of it just to remind everybody that we are operating
under policies and procedures of the Seminole County Board of
County commissioners section 2.1 7, 5,
And the comments are all public comment shall avoid personal
attacks, abusive language and heard and unsafe disrespectful
rude irrelevant or slanderous remarks for disruptive behavior
may subject the individuals removal from the board chambers
and the chairman may curtail repetitious comments. You are
have 3 minutes to speak unless you are speaking in lieu of
another group of people who have given up their right to
speak and then you'll be given 6 minutes as a member of
official like a representative and of an official
organization. And those that is actually written in our
policies for anyone who would like to to see
what that actually says because I don't have a right in front
of the other was agree to repay them.
So with that Miss can see if you would call the first person
who would like to speak. Emily Turner followed by
Christine had of it.
And this past even if you wouldn't mind just lining up
along the wall. Behind there so that we're ready to go.
And then we'll show called MS. Can still call the next 2
people in that way we don't have them now we have a walk-up
music so that's not side of the fun anyway.
>> I'm Emily Turner give my address at least 1, 7, 9,
7, take a look sport like Mary.
I'd like to understand why after all these years the
county never notified by the owners of the water testing
results.
The same results are used by the city of Lake Mary to
justify a 40 million dollar upgrade water system. But if
you are unincorporated Seminole County living in Lake Mary we
had no idea that there would be a need to upgrade your own well
water system.
I think the county has an obligation to notify residents,
especially the ones on well water. The information was
there.
That's why the county and city have upgraded their water
systems yet for every 20 years, I've been on a private well,
and never had a pretty to any of that information. If this is
standard procedure in Seminole County that needs to be changed
and corrected. Thank you thank you thank you.
And he's the next person. Mike Morgan and Mark meeting.
Good afternoon.
>> I'm Christine leading international used to work with
that weather would drive in Altamonte Springs and a
longtime resident, a Seminole County and currently in
Orlando, Florida.
A joint get those extra minutes tacked on my talk
I'm a health advocate and longtime a health researcher
and toxicity expert and on radio TV frequently now on
anything to do with city accidental or intentional or
environmental.
And I'm I'm a poisoning survivor.
So I know from experience what I had to do too to stay alive,
I would not be here talking to you if I did not he talks a
fight with the help of a train to toxicologists most medical
doctors do not have this this knowledge and so people come to
them with the symptoms of toxicity I'm the doctor just
reached the symptoms with medication making the situation
much worse.
I don't with chronic and acute toxicity with colleagues family
members. People as I'm growing my frugal education service on
this important topic.
So I've been in the media about what people can do on here to
actually offer assistance to the board continue to offer my
assistance to the media to any individual or organization that
once this information and how people or even even pets and
livestock can have those times since the safely moving out of
their body and not have future health issues and
rivers also symptoms, I've seen my colleagues reverse their
cancer. In 6 months.
We talked to toss the case, Jean. So I'm here to offer
solutions and happy to talk to this on there. And that's
something the forensic methods that I had to learn in my cases
which unfortunately were intentional criminal cases.
But I have a lot of information to help people how to stay
healthy for any talks and because in terms of the
downside and other elements that we have in Florida water.
You know the so it was very porous, it absorbs everything
from the ground is our first round so it's it's a concern
just in general with with water but with any type of event.
So if anyone wants might information of happy too we
offer to the board and work with everyone to get this
information to the public on what they can do to stay
healthy and safe costs.
Thank you for being here, thank you.
>> Good afternoon, Mike Morgan. I live in 1888 Bridgewater
drive in Lake Mary Florida.
A lot of great things from this board today on what we're
planning to do and I think that's important. I think
we represent water districts all over the country in fact we
represent the city of Stuart our farm that Morgan and Morgan
in the lead bellwether trial for the PPS case that ended up
in a 10 billion dollar resolution and so we've seen
this story unfold.
In neighborhood after neighborhood. And this happens
to hit very close to home because it's the water I drink
the water, my kids straight.
I agree that this is not a level at least at this point
for panic.
It is a level for action and there is some really strong
action we can take this is a problem one for Doc saying was
invented in the 1950's, 5 Dow Chemical they actually produced
almost a 100% of what foreign accent in this country.
And so what now it's used for stabilizing the grease and
that's how it came back to cnn's and that's why seen it
was using it to be Greece parks when they do what they do.
But in trenches and he goes into the act, what we need to
be able to do here is to create a plan like we did in the city
of Stewart which involves excavation of the soil because
this is a bold constituent it's a call to a volatile organic
compound.
That doesn't stick to soil. So it goes straight down its
persistent, it doesn't biodegrade within our ecosystem
and it's going to get into the before and so they come out
that we can still say from the soil can be excavated taken up
it out but then on top of that what Lake Mary did when they
came up with the Siemens problem is is to what we've
heard from for all the talk about is the O P we advanced
talks that they shun process. And while the kid eliminate the
chairman's point you can't totally eliminate it can take
it to a not detect well, and really in today's world as
we're supposed to all of these different constituents, the
best we can do is get the things that we know are likely
to lead to cancer out of the water and there is a technology
has caught up the science to eliminate it has caught up what
we do know is the long-term effects right that the only
study we've had on what Ford out saying
he's a rat study from 2007 a lab rat study that said it lead
at some level of something I know number 2 different
cancers. But they don't have any for science on where that's
going to go what we do know as we wouldn't want it water and
so we look at who's responsible for this. And who should pay
for this the average play that we weave
wow that is about 50 million it cost another 25 to run that
into the future here we have Siemens and we have Dow and we
have other contributors like the detergent manufacturers of
Procter and Gamble that all contribute to our problem we're
having today so I was bored to however we can help and getting
this thing solved. Thank you thank you, thank you.
>> Mister Noujaim and then who is after Mister nation.
Katrina shadix and on Townsend.
>> Good afternoon. My name is Martin AJ Miller, Liberty 56
for a lot of growing demand for 2, 4, 7, 8, 6,
Thank you. I I came here to listen I came here to learn to
have.
There are some things that I think that warnings for a
moment and has been suggested
first of all as we often hear the coverage is often worse in
the act we need to find out why certain disclosures have not
been made to you all throughout the years.
And some ways you all and then and got because you can only
share what you know, and I will share with you that I wondered
about my last year and was part of the John overshot their had
handle. Cases is an organic concerning this scenes in 2006
2011. And so there's a 337 age
complained that exist as a public record that addresses
many of the issues that have been discussed here so it's a
matter of public its should have been disclosed.
Many of you all should have known about it and not talking
to anybody here of course, but because the lack of disclosure
occurred. I think there's going to be a lot of the answers and
you can cut through a lot of should also why are you might
save hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions of
dollars by identifying that which can be done.
And at least give you a break from where you need to go to
fall across with that said also there's a lot more to this you
know that you talked earlier. And Mister chairman about
financial aspects and all we share with you that there's a
real concern now about it can be about the money independent
individual way not just about the people who suffered losses
in their family and their loved ones will get to that but again
the new edition of property values is a real issue here
that a service that deals with tax rolls and young peoples
with the arms are because now there's disclosure requirements
and we can minimize any more than we can exaggerate the
issue they simply need to know what the truth is and where it
leads us we'll share with you that the great concern that I
was personal to all impacted by cancer our families I lost my
mother about 3 years ago, she spoke in the 6th stop in the
70's when the warnings came now 25 years later, she got lung
cancer. We should not wait 3 years ago we don't know
long-term effects. There's going to be here and all we're
talking about with these parts per billion is the radical I'm
getting calls from my to my office from families now.
And that's not the radical they're going members are dying
of cancer and they're not just Brian is searching for the
answer to wanting to know the answers are not blame him for
wanting to find out the truth, whatever that truth that's
thank you very much.
>> Katrina shadix tenants and the goats to me the 43 to 7,
3, term representing $0.6 to 200 members of families United.
And for start of the don't miss that ice is going to see the
top right corner.
There's an article that says Florida tops list for most
polluted lakes and the U.S..
That came out about a year ago. No we're battling and dying
from fertilizer herbicides pesticides and as you can
because like we talked about today, Washington to
contamination of our waters. We're facing multiple water
crises on several fronts happening simultaneously over
development for human overpopulation is killing our
water supply and as I said all of this we to Florida ranking
number one in the nation for most probably the waters.
What events in surface waters. That's why I included a copy of
the letter I signed on today, asking the Saint Johns water
management District to actually encourage them to better
address and next solutions for water, the water quality
problems plaguing our state the last legislative session is to
prove that we are having a water crisis. There's millions
if not billions of dollars now going to what's happening so
hopefully Seminole County can work with the 2 attorneys that
just spoken maybe Saint John's water management District,
the state to get some funding that's needed to clean up the
waters.
And I thought it was really good this this opportunity to
speak the information that you gave to quick response the
efforts for transparency on amazing and expanding and
expanding the sampling for 1, 4, And the boss that's amazing
because this is a huge huge huge issue around the country
and I absolutely love and appreciate you for being out
for it. We need that I hope I can be something that is taken
out of the water. I think recently wasn't Mansour
Titusville their City Council passed. A resolution did not
included in the water.
And I'm asking as a citizen that brought this to go before
sitting at my water quality water contamination, saving
water chemicals.
I hope that you were mad sampling for pesticides and
herbicides water to that. I don't know about 2 years ago
a study came out that the majority of manatees have
tested positive for glyphosate that spurred the decided
overuse and misuse to kill plants.
There's also huge lawsuits about that is proven to cause
cancer.
And another chemical, another product side that is overused
it's tight spot.
And that is applied actually more than glyphosate and it's
like using taxpayer money, the state of Florida fwc spent
about 17 million dollars a year. And the county also
spends money I tested the water and animals and plants impulse
to make dot after dozens of ducks died. And sent them to
the lab that figure it out to be a mystery Valley. Those they
were dying from died quite and the U.S. ample time to get back
in back of me the levels of diet want this wasn't one of
our inmates.
>> Chess 7.
>> He was super sad actually collect the dead that I took
another dog that survived the had severe neurologic
conditions that were stumbling in the streets around my doctor
that they do Brad.
And this is so overused when I do they. Management said the
county to ask for the contracts and for the invoices that the
county pays for these chemicals that poison our makes a real
live in our people.
I was told that there was going to be over $2000 that tells me
that the county spent a lot of money and has a lot of
contracts with these chemicals that are deadly. The most
concerning part about big dot as their deaths dead in the
grass campus. Duct stent for days. There was a child fishing
on that dock, he was going to eat the fish that he caught.
There were ducks, not only the grass with something in the
water there too that turtle. This is something that's
extremely extremely concerning.
No just back in with these on they told everyone ages one to
a safe. Now we know it's not so many of our veterans died from
that.
It's quite the same it's made by the same company and that's
part of the same chemicals that are making our product service
side that I just want to say on that so you know we can learn
mistakes from the past to get at the site and for decisive
same thing with the help of that could be on a great I'm
glad that it's in a state lab. And like I said they're experts
in testing for sigh policing and
as far as Costco stores. Costco if you don't want to you
know event tax and not a tax increase, but the tax the road
tax kids on the ballot next year. Maybe he labeled it the
water quality in green infrastructure tax and allocate
a lot of money to cleaning our waters and preventing that I
think a lot of people are supported by you know we don't
go to bed tax cut that service like urban sprawl and
development we don't want any more that.
I think there's a way to do it. I like that you know they're
being proactive about that I hope I can help I have the
attorneys can help and get our water is cleaned out. So you
don't have to worry about and this time from cancer and
necessarily thank you.
>> Have a question for miss shadix I'm a man I'm sure yes.
Lake dob matter.
I have a concern about like God. They do you have some
information related to the Ducks unlike Bob what I
understand you have some blood drawn trying to send them over
to us please.
I need to look at that closely it's in my district and and
that's in stark contrast to an fwc in D e p has reported so I
would information I'd love to have it.
>> Yeah I do have information crane down I will check with my
attorneys to make sure that might cost you $2000, yeah.
>> Haha.
>> For your reference owns a story that's I want to save the
animals are.
I I will address it, thank you very much.
And that was after the speaker off as busy though, and John to
new do.
>> MS. Esposito are you saying you would not like to speak.
Hi my name is John Townsend 3.17, but it would drive in
unincorporated Seminole County
I've heard a lot. Good information about the remedies
and I want everybody here on the quick response and
providing education transparency and honesty,
what I'd like to see more of is a discussion on and industry
and development in our County.
And is there already currently industry that is already being
looked at because of where we're standing at right now
this inflection point is because of an industry that was
here 30 years ago so what can we do. As Seminole County
residents now to prevent
anyone from the future standing in this moment, again.
If that makes any sense.
I'm concerned about the onset of how to prevent and history
from further polluting the waters because it's going to
happen, but I want to know what you have in your books or your
procedures and your regulations
that will curtail
stop prevent
that from occurring again.
Because yes we need money for future keeping the water clean.
But we also need to look at the other side of the remedy coin
is prevention.
So speaking of that, I'm a representative ambassador for
water for life after Florida right to clean water dog to
work.
I'd like to present this amendment that we're trying to
get on the ballot. 2024. We need 9,000, I'm sorry
900,000 petitions of registered voters statewide because as you
know what we're dealing with your love the late is across
the states. But Florida has a right to clean and healthy
waters in the ballot. Summaries this.
This amendment creates a fundamental right to clean and
healthy waters and then that may be used to sue state
executive agencies for harm or threaten harm to Florida's
waters which include aquatic ecosystems the amendment
defines terms Dana phys affected constitutional
provisions in article 4 governing executive branch
provides for civil action Forsman allows attorneys an
expert witness witness fees to prevailing plane as and
provides equitable remedies include restoration of waters
and I like to just present this to you and one day I'd like to
hear that Seminole County has the best cleanest water in the
state of Florida that is my hope and my goal and and doing
this activity as a citizen for this County, thank you. Thank
you thank you, thank you.
He was not going to be covered if you give us just one moment,
Cindy holler and Nancy Harman and Joe humphrys and that's all
I have okay.
If you ladies with my coming forward that would be great.
We're good to go if you'd state your name and address, yeah.
>> John to Newt local homeowner. This into hers
district want to thank you for being proactive when I called
you guys
at first, I was very upset about the whole fact that this
pollution in the water been living in Florida is in the
60's because he knew that a very strong other kid of
thought
farm animals and your whole life when you're with involved
over there in Altamonte Springs, I want to thank you
for that for the rest of you I don't know what your your
background as far as a ball that was a but we don't have
good water with good air with the help that is a living here.
We all love Florida. My concern is that maybe we're loving it
to death. Growth isn't always the answer we just need to
manage what we have to get more of a tax base and more can more
congestion and that sort of thing. But anyway I have some
questions regarding these chemicals what is
since this pollution occurred with Siemens over there like
Mary has that percentage been dropping one right. You a
couple of you alluded to this already is a growing like it is
a growing of what you learned to be one of the war was he get
to get the stuff out of the Valley, what you can I agree
with that as much as possible because this stuff like that
says it just floors like a big said everything goes down into
the into the aquifer so eventually you don't want to
show him with it and and they did with the drinking.
So my concern is that so it is the percentage of the vaccine
is a drop in along with the other people have any other
chemicals that were not familiar with. We're just now
learning about
and what's the long-term effect on it what it will take to
clean and know is can we clean this water out of that for we
able to remove it at some point is that we're going to be
cleaned at some point.
These are all really important questions that I have the home
we are wills over in River Oaks on the West and the county
right there against the recovery or what caused a bit
of ball. A lot of cleanup. So they're in the past as a
citizen. Well, because I care about what we have what we're
doing.
But for MS. Enormous good what we're doing a citizen's.
Seriously
so I hope you guys move in the right direction. I like what
I've heard today, it's encouraging I just hope it
isn't a
BS
I just hope you guys are legitimate what you're doing
and moving forward, you guys inherited a big mess from
voters way before you I understand that.
But now we've got this notice that we have to solve a
citizens and as County government city go.
I hope we can do so in a positive way they'll see in.
Closing is remember when you make decisions and fear that
usually the wrong decision correct.
I thank you very much. Thank you Sir for grade.
>> MS. Holler.
>> When you lose 2 of the new City Hall or 1731 be contrite
Sanford, we are pretty good, I'm happy to see that talked to
choice that will this morning and we will be having our
private well testing. So we just we just want to know what
we just want to
so it really does cover different things here so I know
this isn't discussion of briefly industry moves
regulation. It's your responsibility. Chemicals must
be obviously property with properly used in contained.
So that's kind of like you pretty basic.
I think and relations and for water really important
obviously it's been stressed today knows lot of
responsibility so.
I will be asked respectfully for a building moratorium
really affected areas until a resolution
and all the way to you know as we go forward, but the
resolutions are going to be I don't think that means he'll
hold off and storage units that were people you know drink
water lives. I think is important.
I was asked on next door by a couple of neighbors isn't
constantly have any evening meeting. So some people
probably do that it was
with that would be beneficial because where people want to be
sure to put.
So I'm just going out there and then I was asked by an engineer
what are the jobs of the water with the samples were taken
from and so maybe County staff can respond to that
and then the other thing I want to say is I also for the last
few years have been the investor for clean water and I
live by the solutions River into smart policies is near and
dear to my heart. So thank you for your time. Thank you all
the time and
and then Mister Humphries.
>> And then we have a 2 gallon center duckett would like to
speak on this is on this.
Good afternoon. Nancy Harman 7, 5, 2, pioneer way Geneva
Florida.
I really appreciate the discussion thing
very good point.
The one thing that I want to make sure it's very clear when
we talk about the EPA and go to the EPA. The EPA is basically a
political organization.
It is run by whoever's in charge if you know they've been
defunded the last what was the last administration this
administration or get money for this and that
they're going to regulate based on who pays their bills shes
them not who encourages them and the water issues that we've
experienced the water and other contaminants you can look it
up.
EPA will give you the most reasonable approach in order to
satisfy whoever it is that's
in charge people do not want to be regulated that's why the VA
does not regulate very well.
So from the county standpoint and what you all are talking
about is looking and taking charge of the issue
trying to ensure that our future here in Seminole County
this better water wise than it was before you we found out
about this problem is very important. I can tell you and
you don't do this to not depend on the federal government to
answer your e-mail
it's not going to happen so we the citizens we have to take
charge along with you our commissioners I like with
commissioner zembower approach I like commissioner her look
forward look back if we have a blend of forward and back we're
going to find the money if we need that
and we will to address the issues and we can also find the
money in the future to grant and bones of that nature for
future missions because this isn't the only chemical we're
going to find this isn't the only issue that we're going to
be presented with this water becomes more toxic as Katrina
stated
our Wells get their water from the Cannes what to wear storm
water pond to do it fills our aquifer so
and even our and I know that does you don't like that it may
be but honest to God, you know it does during their. So the
other thing is that our lakes drain into the river. I like
strain into the author far
whenever gets put in the air is going to go in our bodies,
but I think based on what I've heard.
Utilities Department has already been for an active on
that they've already put in systems to help prevent a lot
of this contamination or reduce it. And I think they do have a
key handle without even the the
the contractor, they have she handle on what needs to be done
so, I'm looking forward to a quicker resolution. Then many
would think this would happen
because of your actions. Thank you, thank you.
There's some interest.
>> Joe humphrys 83 Cardinal point Cove Sanford, Florida.
I'd like to begin by commending
Mister Graham
with him were burned for there.
Perfect timing when the new positions.
So they're going to earn their paychecks and but I do have
great respect and
trust in their abilities to help us wonder way through
this.
Governments exist to serve the people.
It's real simple.
In this accountability and honesty define government
transparency.
My entire political process is founded on trust our system.
We've certainly seen and heard an awful lot of that over the
last 2 or 3 years given some of the other issues that we've had
to deal with on a national basis.
He was commissioner her and that
we have to go forward not backwards history only goes one
direction forward
and I think we certainly made some strides here today
that said
and one of the fix a problem him to understand what the
problem is, and you know I think we've done an awful lot
to identify those issues. We also understand well if the
car's broken
wasn't broken how to get there.
Commissioners or mentioned we've been doing with these
issues in this County for and a number of years.
This is an article from the Orlando business Journal.
From 1996.
When somebody who I know a number of you know very well,
you know who she soon Siemens
for contamination of his warehouse.
In Sanford.
This is not know right.
And this and that believe it was settled in 2001, I think is
when they finally got was so much.
The bottom line is what we were asking me is why now why this
didn't just start.
I heard from it than that
she worked for the Seminole environmental services
Department 25 years.
Her husband worked that scene that he was an engineer
United cancer.
As somebody who worked at the environmental services for this
County we knew about this problem years ago.
This is not new.
So the question becomes
where that happened to the transparency over the last 25
or 30 years. Thank you thank you. Mister have first Mister
Duncan.
>> Challenges and you 562-0092 Oviedo, Florida. So I just
can't say why the first was born on the and as president of
the association and priced in the U.S. and so we don't should
go no, I know that I'm about whether now.
You can say data about what they did buddy BA in the state
and then say that would leave it up to the regulations that
up in the state we don't work that way
OK that's one why should we believe them you got the first
report in 2013 he didn't come out in the water quality report
into the 2004 15 and water quality reports come out every
year.
You going back some data on slide 5, 6, that the Lady
clearly stated. Brown and call will
for Siemens they have you know they have nothing to do with
the as a citizen they was doing at the seams so
that's that's that
the season a lot of time in the media.
And we didn't know it's just like a lot of excuses and at
the end of the day, you know the just came out to hold
people to account
what's been.
And a little bit so I'm just saying I know it sounded like
the presentation is a former gay. But it was really just a
lot of love you know like what they did in Seminole County
full not what they did a private company for 4 a private
company that just provides a public citizens.
So that's the kind of stuff and I'm talking about I so when
people talk about transparency.
I mean I completely I was already elected officials when
this came up so I'm making one judgment, I'm just so that we
didn't know somebody who said that some point because now
what information that we had years or decades of data is
out. So
you know with the right wing conspiracy theories here from
the board obviously somebody some within the government and
every level so. My conclusion is you guys got to do with that
I'm going to be on this water issue now okay, because I feel
like you guys are going to need to be held accountable because
7 now you've given us fluffy stuff like past 3 years to find
potential funding. Sources listen we pay enough in taxes
that you shouldn't worry about a month just going to want to
address is issue fixed the problem.
Thank you guys we'll see you later, thank you Mister Dhaka.
>> I'm going to if you all don't mind move directly to
district commissioner reports just for commissioner zembower
to do his report if we could because he needs to leave here
too. Like.
>> Understood thank you so much will and so commissioners I
hope you'll be okay with that there there may be some other
comment for everyone he's leaving the room there may be
other comments here but area a pretty good news. According to
stacker dot com Seminole County is the.
>> The 3rd least
cancer County in the state.
When the president.
I need to make the appointments to the Seminole County Port
Authority board.
>> Excuse me commissioner zembower if I could ask you all
to please leave quietly because we are conducting business in
commissioner zembower is making motions
thank you.
>> Thank you, madam chair, I move to appoint Mister Steven
now to the Seminole County Port Authority board we'll be taking
Susan Sherman those remaining term to 12/31/2024.
I would also.
>> Which sets in motion is there a second second second by
commissioner, her all those in favor say aye aye any opposed
motion passes unanimously.
>> I would like also to move approval to send a resolution
appreciation to miss Susan Sherman for the time she has
served on the Seminole County Port Authority board second.
>> Motion by commissioner zembower second by commissioner
her all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
unanimous.
>> Thank you fellow commissioners for giving me the
a lot of to get that done early I'm going to spend week or so
with my grandchildren.
Some are looking for that so thank you all very much
appreciate everything else. And district 2 is perfect.
>> The Pate thank you stay out from under the forest. Yeah.
All right, thank you off that latitude safe travels
commissioner, thank you and back to the county attorney's
report.
Well, thank you madam chair.
>> A couple of things. I'd like to report on first is several
weeks ago, you asked about hunting on County property.
We did some research. The short answer to the question is yes,
it can be allowed we must partner with fwc in order for
that to happen through process
that being said. There is a provision in the upcoming so
little
Florida Seminole forever. Ordinance that would allow it
evaluation on a case by case basis. If you did want to allow
hunting on a temporary basis on those lands.
But again if it is an involved process we do have to court
today with that could be saved but that that door is left open
for further discussion.
Next we received a letter last week about our aggressive
panhandling ordinance chapter so County code chapter, 2.32
those letter from some other legal counsel
questioning the validity of the ordinance we believe it is a
firmly legal we have it under analysis I will present our
recommendations on how to respond to that letter at the
August 8th meeting because they are expecting an answer by
August 11th.
And then. Finally I'd like to report that in the winter
spring storage case. The rezoning that you did a few
weeks ago all the pill periods of past and that item so that
is the final
zoning decision now
that that is where report. All right, thank you very much.
>> Any questions for the attorney.
District Commission reports 5 district 5.
Make it brief.
We'll start from
from the one that's the most amusing and that is we did a
ribbon cutting for the patio which is apparently a place
where cats can play at the animal services center.
I wanted to give a huge thanks to the staff to all of the
donors that made that possible. But
mostly for the staff that was super smart and in the fans in
the right direction so that I didn't have a full-blown
allergy meltdown on camera. I was not having the cats they
seem to be rather in fraud and it is a wonderful place for
people to go and adopt and we have several I would welcome
everyone to go hang out on the catty oh and bring one home
with you.
We also attended this first annual state of the schools
that was hosted by Seminole County public schools, it was
really exceptionally well done remarkable information that was
shared and I hope to see that get bigger and bigger every
year.
So congratulations to the superintendent and school board
members for making that happen. It's interesting to me it's
it's like an AHA moment, they hired a new communications
person who said why don't we do this.
I can't even imagine that it was never done before with what
they're doing is way more interesting than what we're
doing quite honestly. It involves 67,000 children.
So it it was really remarkable.
There is I passed down the Dyess earlier request from
Katrina how for written public input about a library fine free
system.
For your information only was a request that came into the
office and we shared it.
And last I would like to give a shout out to a couple of
different folks. This is to our team Kristen who's done
remarkable work since he's been here
to the folks at Booker town for being patient with us and for
tolerating me while I listen to what can be done and then we
brought in a new set eyes who said it can be done and the
retention ponds are cleaned out too much better standard than
they have historically been and we're on a path to maintaining.
So thank you daryn and Kristen and mostly thank you to you all
from Barker town for being patient with me.
More to come you might have to be a little more patient for
whatever the next mistake. It is that I'm going to make
but I'll be there with you figuring it out and that's it
chairman thank you district one.
>> Thank you rich or too quick updates. Did you last meeting
about the a lot of the road. I could do more
sewer line replacement and do some increased rain that we've
had over the past week and weekend.
The contract has been contract has been
slightly delayed, but it's still kind of on track with a 2
week window, so they're moving very quickly with that as well.
We keep you informed really.
A Web site that we have that active and inactive people can
actually see what's happening real time.
And then also reached everyone we can so that over us and we
got in from the road and that action that was there a staff
and very proactive traffic engineering and we're going to
be having on the site community media there within the next
week or so to discuss it with the Navy as well.
And my district report
district 3.
>> July 12 the staff.
I tended to Lyman high school had an update community update
to rolling hills about
what we intended to do in the future as well as working with
them, we wanted to ensure that we had that not only we were
communicating properly, but again they knew that their
input was important to us.
As I said well over a 100 people attended it was really a
exceptional I wanted to give a shout out to
we heard his group. John Hughley said one person from
transportation and that was where all the questions were
so. But I think that them they're they're very excited
about it. Obviously they didn't just a little apprehensive they
just want it to happen.
We all know it. It takes time and there was a few little
things like that the hurricane that happened.
So we're we're you know I think we're on track again and I hope
that they we appreciate the fact that it's being so well
kept and they they enjoy the the use of that property there.
I also
on a personal note.
We get a bye bye I'm very sorry I'd rather not discuss I
understand that so.
>> I'm going to skip right to my chairman's report I have a
couple of different things that's that I wanted to
to mention.
Pat is going sorry, Patty Patty wrote all these things for me
to talk about my district report but and the interest of
time, I'm just in a focus on some of the things that we've
talked about today because I do really think that some of the
public comment that was brought up. It's important for us to
give some feedback and direction to the county
manager's there's some very good questions there. And I
just want to make sure that we're following up on those.
Private well owners are significant concern. And while
I certainly understand the citizen wanting to be notified.
I don't think it is our agency that even has a list of well
owners I think that's the Florida Department of Health.
If we could just make sure that we are driving Doh because
they've had some changeover as well and their leadership.
I know we all have a lot of private well owners and in our
districts that were commissioner in this particular
area that's being discussed around the Siemens plant
commissioner, her son might lot and private Wells can I.
>> Comment on the yes, absolutely so while it is Doh
is responsibility we don't have the list, I do think we have an
opportunity on the website where work to educate around
and that means setting a specific item a great.
>> So that it's not left out and I was hoping to be a little
more proactive in the communication because people
with Wells don't randomly look on the county's website for
information about their Wells they think because they have a
water softener the guy that comes in replaces the filter
and put salt in once a month that their water is great
coming from that well so and I'm speaking from a little bit
of experience. So I just feel like we need to do something
with our communications team in a proactive manner about that
my takeaway on that
the
>> and miss shadix the you know we've talked about water being
it's a tall one water and we've. Why we lost Gary mouse
out there's Katrina but we've been talking about this whole
one water concept and totally agree that a one-stop shop for
a dash for our water ash Atlas having not just surface water
and you know lakes and what but also our drinking water and and
so I know work we're combining all of this water conversation
into the same conversation I think that's it's good
because it's all connected, but it can also be dangerous
because when we say water, we don't know if people are
thinking the water that's coming out of my top of the
water that's running into the going next to my house or the
water so something around that I think would be very important
and
completely apart separate and apart from water, this is not
the first time I've heard of a $2000 bill for a public records
request.
And I'm not sure who puts dollar figures on those,
but it seems to me like just asking for contracts. That's
like a photo copy saying for someone to do so I'm not and
there may be more to it than that so before the county
Attorney's Office gets defensive. I'm sure there's
more to it but it's not the first time I've heard it so if
we could just researched that and get back to the board may
be that it would be helpful
and I swear Katrina and I are not in cahoots on the penny tax
and having water quality be a topic but that is definitely I
completely agree with you.
The topic of of preventing future industrial pollution.
I think it's something that we have to talk about and again
there's so many different agencies that regulate this
what is our role so I would love that the county manager at
you and your team could come back to us with what what would
the county's role look like in that it fits certainly starts
with our purview of planning and zoning but what other types
of things might there be I don't know
as far as digging out the ground.
And this you know this all comes at us the whole who knew
what when right that was a big topic and there's this
assertion that there's this huge conspiracy. But yet cover
up, but yet everyone seemed to cite newspaper articles to the
contamination, it's really hard to keep a secret that's being
covered in the media. So I'm I'm
somewhat perplexed about that piece.
The rearview mirror 5 windshield. I you know I we do
need to do both to to the level that is appropriate in my mind
and helpful to move the ball down the field.
All of these suggestions are great suggestions in the sense
that we need to they need to be a part of Mister feinberg's
teams and curl as teams can we are can't wait but I think we
we really need you to tell us what's reasonable is is going
onto someone's private property and digging out all the ground
after it's already been remediated to whatever degree
of reasonable is that even the legal I don't know
as far as meetings being held after 5. This was not a public
hearing item this was a presentation for the county
manager to educate the board on what's been happening so for
all while every meeting is open to the public and and available
for public comment anyone that was not able to make it here in
person can always watch. We streamed live on the
county's website. We have a youtube page. I there's never a
good time to have a meeting for every one there's elderly folks
who don't drive at night. There's folks who can't get
babysitters after-school there we've tried very hard to
accommodate as many people as possible and and whenever going
to find the perfect time for everyone so but the content is
out there it's available and we are always able to be reached
via e-mail
smoke signal, you name it you can reach out to us.
So that that's those are just my takeaways on the public
comment items commissioner.
>> I have several takeaways on the public comment items as
well you had a bunch of them.
I do think
the comments made by Mister Morgan with regard to Dow
chemical and their experience in this that needs to be
explored.
I do think that I would like for somebody to tell me whether
we should be sampling for the life of side and d*** lot and
I'm sure I'm saying that wrong. So I'm sorry but
that's a phonetic spelling up here.
There was a question about the depth of the sampling probably
reportable
I do think that there's an opportunity here to create a
path that may be a little different from what the federal
government does to protect us all.
I'll throw this out there because you know sometimes my
mind wander storing these meetings and I do think maybe
we need to do a public campaign about if you dump that plan to
drink it
because that's the reality of this and most people don't
realize that
and at the end of the day there were humans dumping this in the
backyard. Siemens it wasn't it wasn't machines.
And then I would like somebody to pull out whatever it was
that was referenced of Geno pollution Siemens because I
really don't want to take the time to do that but I think all
of us should see it and we ought to be looking at the same
material.
So it would be interesting to see that as well.
Set up after the storm water topic.
I do want to bring up. The.
>> Let you all know fellow board members that I have been
asking the county Attorney's Office to talk about the timing
shade meeting relative to what I'll refer to as the no work
contracts related to Joel Greenberg.
I think
we have not had an opportunity as a board
to meet to strategize legal options with our team and so
I've asked the county attorney to please bring to us at the
appropriate time to request for state meeting. And so just want
to let you know that I have I have gone down that path with
him. It may be appropriate to wait like I think now with the
timing we have to wait until Mister Torres is on board at
this point but
but I for the county's interests. I have been and will
continue to be except for this afternoon. At the trial that
the federal courthouse this week. So.
If there's consensus from the board to continue down the path
of asking for a meeting with the attorneys could we get that
on the record.
>> John a motion please make a motion to have a shave meeting
with regard to this issue.
We've questioned the county attorney,
he's the appropriate process.
The process typically is that the attorney for us to show you
this before that
the board doesn't ask for she 8 meeting the attorney does
that is correct. Plus the issue is that you know that Mister
Applegate address it but
before he does shade meetings we did look into that
require pending litigation.
Okay, okay that we are part of standing at this time there is
no Hutchins down so I don't want
food they need to go and shade by correct so that that is an
issue we're looking at but at this point in time there is no
pending litigation for a collection.
Against any of the
potential defendant so.
>> But I think the request was for you all to to request for
you all to request it out your route time well right, but
here's my problem is I continue to bring it up with
individuals, but I can't direct anyone to do anything
individually our County Attorney's Office can only take
direction from the sport, so I was wanting for there to be
enough interest publicly expressed among all of us so
that we can be all be on the same page that we would like to
pursue whatever.
>> Major and I think he's played just for that, but first
have a motion to tell the county attorney to have a shame
me
that could be some legal ramifications said I want to
try which we can change the masking some of the injury.
>> Which I will take that motion to mean you would like
us to explore.
The issue of potential recovery stemming from the Greenberg
transactions and we will look at that a report back in an
appropriate manner to each of you.
>> The just the most with that interpretation trees and as the
seconder yeah, it was from the second time, you know me well
know with gifts that that's going to be in the motion.
Yes now within like that this new information.
I think all of us, you know know and I I I you know we're
talking to the attorney I thought we were already looking
at all options and pursuing that. So you know, I mean I
don't have any problem and then continuing to do so.
Commissioners are but I just.
>> Want to make sure that we're clear
the county attorney I think if T chairman speaks to the county
manager the county attorney is actually speaking to us
that this should be enough interest that the county
attorney will figure out when the proper time is legally to
ask for she 8 meeting.
And that's the motion. There's I think he's at camp emotion to
do that.
>> That's not what I'm hearing from the attorney the attorney
you correct speak again,
we're on and you just do it we're not going to have a 5 way
dialogue appearing now let's hear from Mister chips act and
then all recognize Mister Applegate
the purpose of the shade meeting.
>> Under the statute is limited to pending litigation pending
litigation means we have to be in it we the county has to be
an active suit and then during that's who we are requesting
information from you on litigation expenses and or
settlement offers that's what the limit that's the limitation
on the shade meeting to discuss potential for bringing suit
against somebody there is no Avenue to have a shape meeting
on that issue
any discussions of that meeting would have to be in the
sunshine with the full board Mister Applegate and then.
>> So back in November when a reporter that. I was able to
recruit a million. 250,000 plus 109,000.
For us.
Not a specific amount, but other defendants are been
ordered to pay restitution in federal court. I reminded all
to that. Under our system of justice. We need to be very
careful and our system of justice to Anderson to proven
guilty.
So I want to be very careful. I told you back in November.
That when we turned over or firearms to the Florida
Department of law enforcement who is investigating whether or
not criminal charges could be brought against any entity or
individual.
That investigation is still ongoing. I wish I had a magic
bar to move for faster.
But that's for the processes right now.
So
I have briefed all too.
On that point I didn't publicly and over the course of several
months we've had conversations individually
what about where we are in the process.
So
Mister shiprock is right.
Until there's an active case where we're party.
Under Florida statute we cannot have a shame.
But I will be happy as I know, I'll be happy to answer any
question that you have
about where we are matters.
I think it is
you know, and I have 5 more weeks.
Some may be happy about that. I can tell you that
no one knew we would get a million and a half dollars
back. And we're so grateful for that Mister Applegate that is
wondering that overs you can look at that 2 different ways.
It covers more than murder or murder said for the claim that
was spent Soames improperly.
And yet we still turned over files for civil actions,
thank you for rescission from this board
ideally the best way to get restitution from anybody is the
fto he did find reason to file for suggests that criminal
charges be filed because then we can get restitution who was
civil action.
You're going to hear for outside counsel.
We'll say how much do you want to spend
to go pass from 08:00PM to roles.
>> And I think that Mister Applegate is the point of the
conversation where you and I had an impasse because this
board has to have a conversation to determine what
that threshold is and if you want to have that conversation
publicly I think that's quite dangerous. So the commissioner
her actually asked to be recognized and I just I stepped
in front of you my apologies, that's okay, so I was I was.
>> You reference the criminal proceedings which are
slow to go fast.
I'm sorry and slow to go fast if ever we don't know what the
progress is on that you completely out of our hands.
But the fact that we believe there were no work contracts
that happened in this County there are our citizens are owed
money.
And I appreciate that we may be going after an oh well, but but
for people to do that and get off absolutely Scott free with
no ramifications is completely unacceptable and I never
suggested that we're suggesting to wait
on the D o e right.
After the bank yesterday. Ali, I know like I can't I
can't get the letters in order either.
Well the road and suggest the discussion I think we'd like to
have with you. So so we are in a conundrum that perhaps what
we do is have the
Worcester chip can the new County attorney brief us on
this and what the best way to proceed is, but I think
I could be wrong.
I think what you're hearing is a very loud interest in
recovering, whatever it is we can recover and quite frankly,
an interested in sending a message don't come around here
and do that anymore. A man don't do it it's not cool.
And you don't get to walk around this town Scott free
like you didn't do anything not cool what my $2 and I've never
suggested that we're not saying that Bryant were not
but in activity does create a suicide and.
>> Tiffany I have said from the start with all due respect
ideally it would be a preferable to Ray to see that
the he is going to do anything
and I've been on the phone.
Over the last 2 weeks a couple times and changing mail with
them about where they are some investigations.
Ideally that would be the first approach.
I'm not saying that I told him back in November was served and
then we can decide what is the best course of civil action to
go against whoever we need to go ordinance.
>> And I think most recently our conversation was that you
had a discussion with Stacey salmons and that she said if
you have any desire to move forward go ahead because there
has been no activity from fdle which is an entirely different
conversation and not your fault, but it does leave those
of us on this board who watch this inactivity who live here
and see what's going on a great cause for concern but that
Tallahassee issue is a Tallahassee issue and we still
have to do what we need to do. I agree the suggestion is time
best buy port right so I think what we have just expressed it
is that we are actively anticipating some way that we
can
see some movement forward and I do think there are a lot of
things that are going to come out of this trial would would
our participation as a victim listed as a victim in this
current trial not be litigation that we are currently involved
in that we can for mayor.
>> But they're all involved all those all those names all those
people they're all involved.
>> That cases against one individual right.
>> We have a motion a second all right Avery, thank you,
calling the question I would be happy to withdraw the motion
and
>> because I want to make sure that because we change the
motion and emotion that I think is before us now is what Mister
chip off has said it is so maybe we want to hear the
motion for a new career he phrase, yeah from Mister ship.
Yeah.
>> As I understand the discussion. The motion would be
to move forward with a process for recovery of funds from the
Greenberg related cases and to brief the board
on the listing of funds recovered.
The files that have been turned over to fdle for or valuation
for criminal prosecution to monitor those cases to be
hopefully get recovery as part of the criminal suit and
failing criminal suits and it's a question of timing is too.
Recover what is possible in civil suits if there are no
criminal suits.
>> So has a point of order from the motion or let me just ask
this question that is a wildly different motion. The last one
that I made so it would seem to me that I should be withdrawing
my last mission the second or should withdraw his second and
we should start from scratch.
>> And they make that motion. So what I hear is that
commissioner her has withdrawn her motion commissioner
Constantine as seconder husband John his second. And mission or
her will make that motion it.
>> Because it pleases the attorneys do do you need a
specific lotion or can you just.
>> Trust that we will get back with you on that process is I I
would trust you want to win, but I would trust but verify
>> my and that's fine if no one wants to make that motion but
my experience has been is that there and this is nothing with
the clerk's office that if there isn't a motion and a
second and a foe, it doesn't always show up in the it just
falls under discussion.
>> Well I am making the motion. I thought that the question was
a time specific to it I was not assigning assigning a time
specific to that
I trust that you're going to get back to us in a timely
manner that's what I'm trusting yes, so I am making the motion.
Okay.
>> Okay commissioner has made the motion and that is that
commit that the attorney has the stated and is there a
second.
>> You know, I'll second it but I will tell you that I think
we're all ready doing this. I will tell you I'm not so sure
so there's a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye
any opposed motion passes unanimously. Thank you very
much a year and doesn't really does put you know I just want
to make sure we do that was that was didn't write that
think that and Medicare. Yes commissioner Constantine
thank you since week
diverted from that from discussion of our of you know
of of our districts and going out all these other things I
just wanted to pull this is my under my chairman's report
okay, I I just want to go back a little bit to the water can
just say. But you know I really feel that we did make a lot of
progress today.
I think that I our County manager and a miss stormberg
have a hand along this I think it's extremely important that
we have already made. I think a lot of citizens that were
concerned feel better about turning on the taps today and I
do think like and others have said it in different ways that
we have a real opportunity here. A real opportunity to
move for doing something
that that would
that could really make a difference in a non of what I'm
trying to say is it's not just the dioxin.
We've heard so many different, you know, hundreds of thousands
maybe of different toxins in there that we really find a way
that not only we keep our citizens in in
not only for him, but alert.
So the candidates have been just finished police and the
important and that we can also use pick missed her all that as
well as you start talking about water. What happened today so
1, 1, just repeat. And that I was almost finished,
and that not only keep them a little but also that we do
since pretty spectacular stuff and making a difference more.
I hope you're going to sleep better tonight that will be
really good.
>> So the last thing that I want to mention under my
chairman's report is the Florida Association of counties
annual conference that we had down at the bonnet Creek it was
another great conference put on by fact congratulations to you
commissioner Constantine for I'm finishing up a year as the
president of that organization well done and I know we're
looking forward to having the policy and innovation
conference here in September that will be hosting for
counties from around the state so that that will be fantastic.
The last thing that I will say
is that if there are any members of the media or anyone
left here you would like to talk about the water issue,
I'm Kim Warren burger will be available for technical
questions and I will be available for anything
regarding policy or legislation. So those we are
the to this question should be.
Do we have any future agenda items. No ma'am.
We have any public comment not related to the agenda to stream
the show next the question too.
Miss shadix I'm not going to bother reading the public
comment statement again because I know you know it thank you.
>> The could we keep it to 3 minutes. Mace I guess I don't
need to be let out soon Katrina shadix to the Senate goes to
the 43 to 7, 3, 2, wanted to get out of the mess we just
made you know like the garden for nature, but let's take the
Saudis of the art of the same harvested are peacefully
coexisting with their wits that we're giving out to everyone we
also I also didn't design that purple postcard that we are
giving out to every new citizen every new person who moves to
the county to let them be aware they need to secure their
trash, an know that they're living in their habitat.
And there's also go on the packages when people asked for
the strap says it has secured their trash can. Those 2 items
go in there and if you are would like they're worried that
the county would like their warriors to mail out the
postcards to whoever moves and I think don't you doing in and
serve. You know we will do that at our own cost pay for stamps
and everything if you want me to anybody who moves to the
county during Camille is on the postcard and this and straps or
whatever they need.
>> Conversation with our communications team. I think
our messaging is a little bit different and it probably
doesn't hurt that they get it twice in 7 impressions to make
an impression. Yeah, and this one has really pretty colors to
Sam.
>> I'm also I just got in the you know the the day that
division of state lands received a lake Monroe
conservation area, management plan and they will consider it
at the October 13th meeting in Tallahassee it's the
acquisition of restoration Council and that's really good
news. So none of the above that actually Khan contacted them
and said no we send letters of support to that and it's Hank
got bin Salman has ordered the E P a dot gov anyone who wants
to support a finding that land for conservation contact,
him.
Also found out the Arbor ranch property is moving forward very
very good.
And the star said said you're supposed to spray to keep the
riders navigable meaning you have to be able to take vo
through it.
The makes every Street in Seminole County were not the
lakes and it was the edge of the pond that was sprayed and
that's a perfect place to have come to program the living
shorelines that come in that specifically need to make sure
my b*** and I want to get the contract amount of times.
The left hand didn't know what the right hand is doing these
contractor sprayed the entire Rand of the pond, killing
nonexistent Grammy. They killed the class. So it's crazy the
other one happened at the base of the eagle's nest tree and
Aaron no boats this is like a swamp in the area. So there's
other ways to remove that they consider problem visitation but
deadly dot had 0 vegetation treatment of the huge issue and
I want to help you out with this. I'm also I'm suing BP for
the water and I are around. So we can have a nation and I
want to let you know one of their motion to dismiss they
pointed the finger at the county Commission and said you
should be summoned them to get Billy moratoriums on my own.
So it can help me keep their feet to the fire and this is
their issue that they're responsible for not known that
would help our want I can give you a copy of that complaint to
thank you thank you.
>> All right is there. Anything else for the good of the
quarter before we adjourn.
I only have to wish MR. Chip aka happy birthday he'll be one
year older before we meet again. Thank you all very much
for adjourned at 5.20.
>> Through the room